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Am I the only one who thinks the design of Supreme (the one we have, not the new one we saw in the trailer) is way too similar to Giganto?
 
Btw, I kinda feel like current Super Sonic isn't sextillions of times 2-B/2-A and isn't sextillions of times immeasurable speed, he should only be >>>>>> 4x, considering his 2-B/2-A stuff didn't occur until the Egg Wizard fight, Sonic 06, and Sonic Generations.
 
Btw, I kinda feel like current Super Sonic isn't sextillions of times 2-B/2-A and isn't sextillions of times immeasurable speed, he should only be >>>>>> 4x, considering his 2-B/2-A stuff didn't occur until the Egg Wizard fight, Sonic 06, and Sonic Generations.
But even Classic Sonic is 2-B/2-A in Super.
 
Btw, I kinda feel like current Super Sonic isn't sextillions of times 2-B/2-A and isn't sextillions of times immeasurable speed, he should only be >>>>>> 4x, considering his 2-B/2-A stuff didn't occur until the Egg Wizard fight, Sonic 06, and Sonic Generations.
The time the feat would be irrelevant unless the transformation is broken down and tiered separately like his Base, which would be unreasonable due to the massively inflate and redundancy it would cause the profile.

Your idea only works under the assumption that Classic Super isn't already 2-B/A, which he is.
 
But even Classic Sonic is 2-B/2-A in Super.
The time the feat would be irrelevant unless the transformation is broken down and tiered separately like his Base, which would be unreasonable due to the massively inflate it would cause the profile.

Your idea only works under the assumption that Classic Super isn't already 2-B/A, which he is.
Classic Sonic is 2-B/2-A from killing the Time Eater, which he only at the end of the game, by which point Classic Sonic in base was already comparable to Modern Sonic.

Otherwise we might as well remove the Low 2-C low-end from Super Sonic's tier.
 
That's actually happening soon-ish
I'm actually low-key cool with that, but the issue is that it'd make Perfect Chaos fighting Base Sonic an outlier again. Also it'd be an issue as Infinite would scale above some of these guys, which we rejected in an earlier CRT.
 
Classic Sonic is 2-B/2-A from killing the Time Eater, which he only at the end of the game, by which point Classic Sonic in base was already comparable to Modern Sonic.

Otherwise we might as well remove the Low 2-C low-end from Super Sonic's tier.
Classic is just Tier 2-B from downscaling. Super Form gets stronger with Base. So he'd just be the baseline of the verse's Tier 2's. Modern and Classic in Generations would be way above 2-B. Not to mention, now they're infinitely above Baseline since Modern Sonic becomes Tier 2.
 
Classic is just Tier 2-B from downscaling. Super Form gets stronger with Base. So he'd just be the baseline of the verse's Tier 2's. Modern and Classic in Generations would be way above 2-B. Not to mention, now they're infinitely above Baseline since Modern Sonic becomes Tier 2.
???

Nothing puts Super Sonic before 06, Rush, and Generations (which all take place with a Low 2-C Sonic) at 2-B/2-A.
 
???

Nothing puts Super Sonic before 06, Rush, and Generations (which all take place with a Low 2-C Sonic) at 2-B/2-A.
Why would it be less than Tier 2 if Super Sonic gets stronger with Base? Especially when it has two Tier 2 feats (and Low 2-C is getting removed, so Egg Reverie fight becomes 2-B/2-A IIRC?)
 
Why would it be less than Tier 2 if Super Sonic gets stronger with Base? Especially when it has two Tier 2 feats (and Low 2-C is getting removed, so Egg Reverie fight becomes 2-B/2-A IIRC?)
If Low 2-C gets removed, won't Perfect Chaos being beaten by Base Sonic once again be an outlier?

On the bright side, Blaze in Base would get 2-B/2-A lvl dura neg flames.
 
If Low 2-C gets removed, won't Perfect Chaos being beaten by Base Sonic once again be an outlier?

On the bright side, Blaze in Base would get 2-B/2-A lvl dura neg flames.
Probably. Personally I don't think Perfect Chaos should even be Tier 2. Or, I'm on the fence about it anyway.
 
I have made the mistake of debating on Reddit... again. Sonic vs Mario but unlike before I backed out the moment I realized it was a lost cause-
 
I have made the mistake of debating on Reddit... again. Sonic vs Mario but unlike before I backed out the moment I realized it was a lost cause-
I'm scared to ask, but what sort of downplay was there on Reddit for the blue hedgehog? I imagine it must've been atrocious if you considered it a lost cause
 
Classic Sonic is 2-B/2-A from killing the Time Eater, which he only at the end of the game, by which point Classic Sonic in base was already comparable to Modern Sonic.
that will be removed, he actually has it from being superior to illumina, that will be covered and the time eater part of his justification will be removed

Otherwise we might as well remove the Low 2-C low-end from Super Sonic's tier.
nah, not a reason to
 
that will be removed, he actually has it from being superior to illumina, that will be covered and the time eater part of his justification will be removed
How is he superior to Illumina? I don't doubt it, but I'm just curious.

And was Illumina during the Classic or Adventure phase?

Probably. Personally I don't think Perfect Chaos should even be Tier 2. Or, I'm on the fence about it anyway.
I mean it is weird that Base Sonic scales in AP but not speed.
 
I'm scared to ask, but what sort of downplay was there on Reddit for the blue hedgehog? I imagine it must've been atrocious if you considered it a lost cause

Well-- a lot. It was mostly just insulting Sonic fans and calling them wankers and dismissing every piece of evidence. BUT he did hit me with a unique line--

"The Boos can just steal the Chaos Emeralds and revert Super Sonic to base form" which is where I called it quits.
 
How is he superior to Illumina? I don't doubt it, but I'm just curious.
chaos emeralds = ultimate power/infintie power in comparison to most things in the verse other than the master emerald and the super emeralds(which are the chaos emeralds but more) which makes them more powerful than anything in the verse, including the precioustone that sustains maginaryworld

And was Illumina during the Classic or Adventure phase?
adventure, but not relevant

I mean it is weird that Base Sonic scales in AP but not speed.
all in due time
 
Well-- a lot. It was mostly just insulting Sonic fans and calling them wankers and dismissing every piece of evidence. BUT he did hit me with a unique line--

"The Boos can just steal the Chaos Emeralds and revert Super Sonic to base form" which is where I called it quits.
BS, if Boos could do stuff like that then they could easily steal away any power ups Mario uses when inside haunted house levels. And besides, how are they going to steal the Emeralds without Sonic blitzing them and bypassing their intangibility to one shot them?
 
chaos emeralds = ultimate power/infintie power in comparison to most things in the verse other than the master emerald and the super emeralds(which are the chaos emeralds but more) which makes them more powerful than anything in the verse, including the precioustone that sustains maginaryworld
Makes sense
adventure, but not relevant
I mean, Sonic's profile states that Adventure Sonic > Classic Sonic.
 
chaos emeralds = ultimate power/infintie power in comparison to most things in the verse other than the master emerald and the super emeralds(which are the chaos emeralds but more)
1. Is there a statement of this?

2. The End when someone says Chaos Power is ultimate power in verse: Hold my Beer.
 
BS, if Boos could do stuff like that then they could easily steal away any power ups Mario uses when inside haunted house levels. And besides, how are they going to steal the Emeralds without Sonic blitzing them and bypassing their intangibility to one shot them?

Multiple "ways"
Mario, of course, can have them target Sonic as they're part of his arsenal?
He believes Mario is faster because Sonic's numbers are made-up and inflated. But Mario's are, of course, legit.
They have two layers of intangibility, so Sonic can't do anything
And they can steal items in Mario Kart and Mario Party, even Power Stars. So, OF COURSE, they can just lick Super Sonic and take his emeralds where Mario stomps base Sonic.

I can't even be mad. It's the most unique way I've seen someone argue Mario wins. It's dumb, but unique.
 
Well-- a lot. It was mostly just insulting Sonic fans and calling them wankers and dismissing every piece of evidence. BUT he did hit me with a unique line--

"The Boos can just steal the Chaos Emeralds and revert Super Sonic to base form" which is where I called it quits.
In regards to their point: One doesn't need the Emeralds within them to be Super. If they did, then only one person could ever be Super at a time, meaning SA2, Heroes, '06, Generations, Mania Plus, and IDW #29 can't happen as they do. The user can also just teleport and summon the Emeralds to themselves, as seen in 3D Blast [Saturn], Advance 3, Unleashed, and Frontiers. The Boos also have no guarantee to take any of the Emeralds. Sonic has many more items in his arsenal besides 7 gems.
 
In regards to their point: One doesn't need the Emeralds within them to be Super. If they did, then only one person could ever be Super at a time, meaning SA2, Heroes, '06, Generations, Mania Plus, and IDW #29 can't happen as they do. The user can also just teleport and summon the Emeralds to themselves, as seen in 3D Blast [Saturn], Advance 3, Unleashed, and Frontiers. The Boos also have no guarantee to take any of the Emeralds. Sonic has many more items in his arsenal besides 7 gems.

I guarantee you he'd deny all of that. Though I'm guessing with the snatch, he was talking about how Mario Party you can choose what the Boo steals? Either way, the whole Boo notion is just ridiculous. It just automatically assumes Mario has a group of boos at his command
 
Technically, Sonic could also Chaos Control Mario's kit away, if arsenal manipulation is the main argument. He could "Time Stone" Mario's arsenal through time and space, or, wish for Shahra to empty his inventory or something
 
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