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Some updates on One Punch-Man

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AtomicSekiro said:
Well, if you compare webcomic vs webcomic, Saitama was just as bored in his fight against Boros and never says anything of note about him either.
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No pretty sure that the quotes from the webcomic are almost identical to the quotes from the manga
 
I don’t think that guidebook is really reliable. Most of what it says is false or just, like, exaggeration:

regardiing Tatsumaki, “her telekensis doesn’t bat an eye at the weight and speed of the objects she lifts, making her practically invincible“— so, Tatsumaki scales above everyone besides Saitama in speed and strength. Sarcasm, of course.
 
Matthew_Schroeder said:
On the size of the city...

this page is unquantifiable and shows the edge of the city. this page is a lot better but it also shows the edge of the city with the cloud of smoke stopping after a while. this page is completely unquantifiable other than the city being larger than the ship. this shows the city is huge but there's no real parameter to get a size from it. Finally this is unquantifiable because it's not clear how far the destruction stretched, and if the roads were built around the rubble of the city or on top.

Even assuming that all of the roads in the last scan = the original city it's going to end up tiny because you can easily measure the size of a road going by how many cars can fit in it.
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In all cases you can see that the city is large and in the sweep I used, you can measure the area affected by the calculation, so there is nothing defective in that.
 
Page 38 of the guidebook: "[Gouketsu] declared that there are more monsters within the organization that are as easily as strong as him"

Okay, so we know that there are multiple monsters within the MA as strong as Gouketsu I'd say a minimum of 3, more if we can provide good evidence of scaling. Let's look over our potential candidates.

1.) Orochi. At least High 6-C. Orochi has already demonstrated that he is tiers above Gouketsu.

2.) Black S. 7-B, higher with Golden S especially. Would Gouketsu know about his abilities and would he hold him in this esteem? Also deemed strong enough to defeat any threat in conjunction with Homeless Emperor according to Psykos

3.) Elder Centipede. (baseline?) 7-B. Considered by some (myself included) to be Gouketsu's rough equal with far lower attack potency and far higher durability/difficulty of extermination.

4.) Overgrown Rover. (baseline?) 7-B. Speculated to be one of the strongest executives. Took a punch from Saitama that had multi-kilometer wide shockwaves that reverbrated throughout the base.

5.) Evil Natural Water. (baseline?) 7-B. Too strong for Gyoro Gyoro to control according to the random monster that unleashed it.

6.) Homeless Emperor. (baseline?) 7-B. Strong enough to defeat any threat in conjunction with Black S according to Psykos.

Fuhrer Ugly and Gums ain't impressive so far. Gouketsu might know about Gyoro Gyoro's strength, but not Psykos. Gyoro Gyoro also isn't in Gouketsu's tier. Nyan doesn't reach Gouketsu level either. Which of these do you all think should scale?
 
The quotes are not identical in the webcomic and manga and the story vastly differs. Many, many feats don’t even exist in the webcomic, like Boros’ moonkick.

If you wanted to cross-continuity scale, Manga Tatsumaki SMACKS and obliterates webcomic Boros. Which is why we don’t do that.
 
That sweep was just to show that the city is also huge and does not show the border, that is literally the shadow of the ship.
 
AtomicSekiro said:
regardiing Tatsumaki, “her telekensis doesn’t bat an eye at the weight and speed of the objects she lifts, making her practically invincible“— so, Tatsumaki scales above everyone besides Saitama in speed and strength. Sarcasm, of course.
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At this point this is closer to spatial hax than it is to TK like Trafalagar Law's room
 
Someone should pull up the webcomic boros fight. Also I think tornados rating should be at least high 6-C normally and High 6-A at full power
 
Nearly all webcomic characters are underwhelming as hell when compared to their manga counterparts. Boros in special is extremely so, the only thing that saves him is he still has the surface wiping statement iirc. But would still get stomped by manga Tatsumaki, because webcomic flash lacks the relativistic feat.
 
I'm fine with Rover (Duh), Elder Centipede and fully-grown Evil Natural Water being physically stronger than Gouketsu.

Black Sperm is the strongest Cadre but not because he is physically the strongest by himself. Multi-Cell Form is likely stronger than Gouketsu tho.
 
DTG499 said:
Someone should pull up the webcomic boros fight. Also I think tornado should br at least high 6-C normally and High 6-A at full power
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We discussed this pretty extensively last CRT and decided that Tatsumaki should be High 6-A overall, since she's not changing forms or anything, she's just flexing all her might. Making this change would require creating numerous keys for characters like Saitama and Goku all across the wiki, because they often hold themselves back. You'd get like 10 keys for Saitama, one for Snek, one for Rover, one for the ninja brothers, everytime he held back his power to a certain degree.

Plus, Tatsumaki lifted the base (low 6-B) and sent the missiles back (low 6-B) without full power. Her coastline feat (also not full power) is about 6-B, I think.
 
Why would Boros scale to it?
It also assumes Saitama did it casually, although I would say he did it normally. He looked pretty T’d off.
 
Would be pretty Iffy.
The only way i can't think of that scaling to Boros is if we say it's because he's an above dragon, at wich point we have to scale Orochi to that too. (not to mention people could say it doesn't scale physically because he's above dragon purely because of CSRC.)
 
You're right Epiccheev. We're 450 comments in and discussion is diverging into topics that were never mentioned in the original CRT post. We still have plenty to discuss that is on-topic so we should make a list elsewhere and note any other potential changes. Please try to limit discussion to these topics and suggest other changes in the OPM general discussion thread here: https://vsbattles.com/threads/strongest-one-punch-man-discussion-thread.107591/page-18#post-3494506.

We will include it in the next CRT.

REMAINING CRT ITEMS IN ORDER:
A.) Monster Raid Fubuki and DO-S scaling to "8-A",
B.) A-class hero downgrades to "at least 9-A, likely 8-C",
C.) Geryuganshoop speed upgrade to relativistic physically,
D.) Boros AP ship upgrade to low 6-B,
E.) Boros key changes (unclear, I suggest leaving these to next CRT since it is getting so complicated).
 
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Ok, i suggest we apply what's universally accepted and create another thread for the controversial topics later.
 
One second- I want to ask Matthew why he opposes 8-A Monster Raid Fubuki and DO-S. The logic is that they should be comparable to the Disciples and Power Suits.
 
DTG499 said:
Webcomic Garou is High 6-A because of scaling him to manga boros. So you are clearing wrong.
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You do realize that Webcomic Boros is also High 6-A, right...? And we have discussed removing the Awakened Garou key in this thread.
 
Ourosboros said:
You're right Epiccheev. We're 450 comments in and discussion is diverging into topics that were never mentioned in the original CRT post. We still have plenty to discuss that is on-topic so we should make a list elsewhere and note any other potential changes. Please try to limit discussion to these topics and suggest other changes in the OPM general discussion thread here: https://vsbattles.com/threads/strongest-one-punch-man-discussion-thread.107591/page-18#post-3494506.

We will include it in the next CRT.

REMAINING CRT ITEMS IN ORDER:
A.) Fubuki vs DO-S scaling,
B.) A-class hero downgrades,
C.) Geryuganshoop speed upgrade,
D.) Boros AP ship upgrade,
E.) Boros key changes.
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A. Agree
B. Neutral
C. Agree
D. Dunno
E. Neutral
 
Matthew_Schroeder said:
Got feats?
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DO-S restrained Royal Ripper's blade (Royal Ripper respected her and G-5 enough to stop) and DO-S also pierced Amai Mask's 'face' while temporarily restraining him. These aren't concrete, but they demonstrate DO-S is above baseline Demon, no low demon could do what she did to Amai Mask and Royal Ripper wouldn't respected her as much if she were such a weak demon (weaker than the disciples and the squad, basically). It also makes sense to me that Monster Raid Fubuki should scale higher because she's low 7-B by the time the MA arc rolls around and its only been a few days.

Personally, I wish there were conclusive evidence to scale these characters to mid-demon level (High 7-C or around 113 kilotons) because that would make more sense with Fubuki's Low 7-B rating and DO-S's feats against Amai, but there isn't. However, due to all the above reasons, I feel that they should at least be the same tier as the disciples and the power suits.
 
Sorry, I've added some more that I forgot. DO-S also restrained Amai Mask temporarily so she could get that attack off. Amai Mask is superior to the disciples who defeated the mercenaries, so she should be at least on their level by this logic.
 
DTG499 said:
Garou’s profile is still cross referencing and you still keep evading.
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It’s literally scaling him to Webcomic Boros, and we have literally discussed removing that Garou key and making webcomic profiles, but sure, keep thinking that we can cross-scale the manga and the webcomic.

For someone that keeps talking about evading, you sure are ignoring things that have already been talked about.
 
DTG499 said:
Honestly just make a webcomic key for those characters
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This has been discussed as well. Webcomic keys will be made for the next CRT. If we scrap scaling to webcomic Garou (which we should if we are updating things), we must turn to manga-exclusive feats.

In fact at this point, we've got ... 5 different options for scaling Boros?
1. scaling to the High 6-A moon jump, keeping the current rating.
2. scaling to the High 6-B meteor calc if it is accepted, as a "dragon or above"
3. scaling to the low 6-B ship barrage because he damaged the ship comparably in Released.
4. scaling to at least High 6-C Orochi as a "dragon or above".
5. scaling to Released Boros's own blasts (estimated at 6-C), that would need to be properly calced.

Given that diversity of options, we could spend ages arguing over all five changes, I would prefer to discuss the simpler changes like DO-S and the A-class heroes and leave this big discussion to the next CRT.
 
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