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Some updates on One Punch-Man

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While there is evidence both of these characters could be higher than 8-A, I think I will go for the middle road and just upgrade them both to 8-A on the logic we have used here, since it is difficult to say what they should scale up to, if not 8-A. After all, Matthew still seems hesitant to make this change given the arguments we have made.

It sounds like the A-class hero changes can be implemented then.

Once everyone has had their say on the Fubuki/DO-S changes, then we will close this thread. Boros, Geryuganshoop and Boros's ship will be discussed in the next CRT, as well as other characters that would be affected by any potential changes.

If you have any further comments, please give them now.
 
Ourosboros said:
While there is evidence both of these characters could be higher than 8-A, I think I will go for the middle road and just upgrade them both to 8-A on the logic we have used here, since it is difficult to say what they should scale up to, if not 8-A.
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Yeah, you could probably argue for Do-S and Fubuki to both be Low 7-B+ (I believe the Monster Raid Arc and Monster Association Arc were only a few days apart, so Fubuki getting over 300,000x stronger in that short timeframe is a bit peculiar), but that would need to be its own thread at this point.
 
I have no idea where to put MA Raid arc Fubuki. I don't think it's something we need to focus on rn.
Maybe wait til her fight against Psykos. Not that I think she'll fully scale to Psykos but she might get some crazy feats of her own.
 
Regarding Zombieman’s physicals; he blocked/parried an attack from the Vampire, a Demon level threat, which surprised him.
 
AtomicSekiro said:
Regarding Zombieman’s physicals; he blocked/parried an attack from the Vampire, a Demon level threat, which surprised him.
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Well, Zombieman is 8-B with weapons. I will say though, I think his durability should be downgraded even if his other statistics stay at High 8-C+ or go to 8-B. He got his arms pierced by a fodder Octopus monster that probably wasn't much more than a regular tiger (9-A, maybe 8-C) and took physical damage from tiger level monsters on multiple occasions around the pureblood encounter.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Zombieman is the saddest S-Class lol
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To be fair, he's the kind of fighter that anyone can give a bloody nose with a solid left jab, but nobody can put him down. I mean, his regen outpaces a Demon-level considerably and can keep pace with a dragon-level pounding... He's like the Nate Diaz of the S-class if you know who I'm talking about

The only thing is, it's hard to imagine Beefcake or Gouketsu or Vaccine Man hitting Zombieman with massive AOE attacks and him not being obliterated. If a tiger-level can harm you, in theory any dragon level should pulverize you. I'll be interested to see what he does in the cadre fight.
 
I'm guessing he doesn't even try to fight against monsters on that level, as evidence of him getting torn apart by garou in the webcomic.
 
Six_fold_god said:
The ambassador who admits that it is strong as Saitama's Boros survives the wind pressure of a sierious punch proves that this is not PIS.
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I don't understand what that means. What are you referring to as the ambassador? Also, sooner or later, serious punch will get recalced because of the current CSRC
 
Wait a minute, Boros wasn't alive for a while after Saitama's serious punch crushed the csrc and hit the wind pressure from it? In my memory, this cloud splits feat is an Exaton feat. The reason why this feat is not PIS is that it is one of the reasons Saitama admits that Boros is strong
 
Boros was basically on the verge of death when he was hit by the serious punch, which mind you, didn't even touch him physically and he was presumably killed by the shockwave of it. It feels like it's more immortality type 2 instead of durability.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Boros was basically on the verge of death when he was hit by the serious punch, which mind you, didn't even touch him physically and he was presumably killed by the shockwave of it. It feels like it's more immortality type 2 instead of durability.
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The reason Boros can survive an extraordinary injury is because of regeneration.
 
CSRC is an attack that uses up all of his energy, as he states. There's no way he could've had any remaining energy to regenerate, and his lack of regeneration plus serious punch seems to be what killed him. He doesn't scale to serious punch at all. When it's been stated to be an attack that dwarves CSRC and and CSRC is much stronger than regular MB boros
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
CSRC is an attack that uses up all of his energy, as he states. There's no way he could've had any remaining energy to regenerate, and his lack of regeneration plus serious punch seems to be what killed him. He doesn't scale to serious punch at all. When it's been stated to be an attack that dwarves CSRC and and CSRC is much stronger than regular MB boros
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Yes I mean he has no energy to regenerate. So surviving the residual wind pressure of a serious punch is a durability feat and he doesn't scale at all with a serious punch. What he scale is just the residual wind pressure left after crushing the csrc.
 
I still doubt he fully scales, considering he is very much know the verge of death after it and is pretty much a raisin. It seems more like immorality type 2 than durability
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
I still doubt he fully scales, considering he is very much know the verge of death after it and is pretty much a raisin. It seems more like immorality type 2 than durability
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Had his durability been truly weak, he should have been drawn not just a major injury, but completely crushed. If he had low 6-B durability, it would make no sense at all because of the reason he survived because he was strong, not PIS. Even if not fully scaled he should be high 6-A through loose scale
 
I'll let the others decide on that, but it's still an extremely iffy way to scale boros to High 6-A
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
I'll let the others decide on that, but it's still an extremely iffy way to scale boros to High 6-A
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Also, even if he had the ability to survive serious injuries or more, he died soon, so he is not Type 2 immortal. And from that scene, you can see that even if Boros has special abilities, ONE considers that limit to be the level of injury that came out in the story. And the feat is linked to the strength of Boros, then the reason he doesn't burst like a carnage kabuto is entirely due to his durability.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Type 2 immortality is being able to endure or survive wounds that would've instantly killed any other being. He still somewhat endured before he ended up dying
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Um...I thought it wasn't because of the word indefinitly, but when I looked, there was a debate about whether to include only indefinitly or temporary endurance. Ok I understand
 
Ourosboros said:
Thank you. These changes should be applicable then. They are as follows.

A.) new Genos key will be upgraded to low 7-B, HH garou and those around his level with scale to 681 kilotons (High 7-C+). Those above him will be "at least High 7-C" and those few characters that go one tier higher up (Transformed Bug God is the only one I can think of), will be baseline Low 7-B.

B.) Drive Knight will be upgraded to baseline 7-B.

D.) Suiryu and Choze will be downgraded to High 7-C+, around HH Garou's tier for the aforementioned reasons now that their cloud feat is no longer low 7-B.

E.) the following characters will be awarded "large size": Child Emperor with Brave Giant (type 0), Hundred Eyes Octopus (type 2 before absorbing concrete, type 3 after), Monsterized Bakuzan (type 1), Final Form Awakened Garou (type 0) and Gyoro Gyoro (type 0). Gums will also get elasticity like Pig God.

F.) The following characters will be upgraded in lifting strength: Genos (class M), Bang (class G, stopped 4 kilometers of EC's momentum), Bomb (class G), Darkshine (class G), Child Emperor (at least class M with Brave Giant), Beefcake (at least class M, with new justification). Metal Knight will not be upgraded per Damage's comment.

G.) Homeless Emperor's profile should be altered to consider his new physical abilities. He should get: "Unknown physically, 7-B with light spheres" tiering, he should be awarded "superhuman physical characteristics" and his speed should be changed to "At least Supersonic" based on this redraw. AP, Durability and LS should also be adjusted accordingly, to "at least superhuman" or "unknown physically".

The other changes will need to be discussed more before they can be implemented. Changes that are not yet ready to be implemented include... DO-S and Fubuki upgrades, A-class heroes downgrade (should also include child emperor), Geryuganshoop relativistic speed upgrade, Boros's ship upgrade and Boros tiering changes.
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@everyone I updated Garou, Tanktop Master, Royal Ripper, Bug God (First Form), Suiryu/Choze to High 7-C+ for scaling to Garou, who scales to Spiral Incineration Cannon. Tell me if something wrong so that we can change the profiles again.
 
Shouldn’t Genos also have a High 7-C+ statistic since, y’know, it’s his attack? And shouldn’t the calc actually be linked on Garou’s profile somewhere?
 
I agree that it is kinda confused and I don't really know if we can somehow put Genos' High 7-C+ calc on Garou's profile. Genos Low 7-B statistic already covers his High 7-C+ statistic. He has two calcs in his Post-Super Fight key and we decided to scale his physicals to the Low 7-B. So yeah, I don't really know how to put High 7-C+ calc to his profile so that the justification on Garou's AP section can be cleared.
 
Then just put in on Garou’s profile. Like, write in his justification how he scales to the attack, and link the calc there.
 
What should I write when putting it on Garou's profile. Something like should be able to survive/tank this attack? I can't think of any suitable justifications. Does anyone have any suggestion?
 
To be fair. If there's a possibility that Garou would have been dead if Elder Centipede didn't show up and protect him from that Spiral Incineration Cannon. How could we say he should be able to survive that attack. Isn't that an assumption? Perhaps we should find better justification.
 
If Garou was pissing himself and doing everything he could to avoid Genos’ casual one-handed blasts, then the Spiral Incineration Cannon would’ve vaporised him.
 
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