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I would also like to see the lore. This can bring new light to this
Zezu1995 said:
thats false, toph reacting to explosions in the comics , korra reacting to it via air waves, aang vs sparky boom man reacting to his blast, and su reacting to sparky girl before her blast can leave her head so they got more feats to keep them hypersonic other than lightning. And yes ofc they shoot actual lightning why would they be shooting fake ones? are any bending fake? ice,lava,metal,fog,mist,plant,blood,sound(air benders kinda),glass (novel) ,all sub bendings and prime are also natural so why would out of ALL of them lightning be fake? it dont make sense man and anyone trynna say that is low balling. Mako also redirected machine generated lightning from the mecha tank when it had him captured.
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Ok well look at the other series that have lightning calcs or lets take an example for a series....Naruto. Just because they shoot lightning DOESNT mean that they have ALL the properties of one. This is legit how it is in VSBW....

I still dont understand the point of the argument when we can legit calc Iroh reacting to an actual lightning bolt + ive already mention this beforehand a few days ago about Toph dodging a point blank explosion....
 
I need to involve myself in this thread now since I'm reading a lot of BS.

The criteria for lightning is this
  • Lightning that has demonstrated at a minimum a few properties that real lightning has, and significantly less properties that lightning shouldn't have, can be considered real. Some examples of favourable properties are:
    • making muscles of affected beings contract,
    • having an (electro)magnetic field,
    • being shown to actually move with a speed similar to lightning,
    • flowing through conducting materials,
    • the character being able to manipulate real electricity or electromagnetism in general,
    • generating ozone or causing electrolysis.
A few. So 2 or 3 right?

Making muscles of affected beings contract




Flowing through conducting materials





The character being able to manipulate real electricity of electromagnetism in general.

Are we good???
 
The first 2 videos only show them getting hurt, not showing or anything them being said that they have muscle spasm. The last video is still them shooting lighting yet not knowing the criteria of it (this is something common in anime).

I can agree on them with Flowing through conducting materials since it shows a blatant criteria of it (I keep forgetting about TLOK)

But thats still like....1 criteria from it in general
 
BlackeJan said:
The first 2 videos only show them getting hurt, not showing or anything them being said that they have muscle spasm. The last video is still them shooting lighting yet not knowing the criteria of it (this is something common in anime).

I can agree on them with Flowing through conducting materials since it shows a blatant criteria of it (I keep forgetting about TLOK)

But thats still like....1 criteria from it in general
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The last video is him redirecting natural lightning, which is a criteria
the character being able to manipulate real electricity or electromagnetism in general
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Flowing through conducting materials is another one.

2 criteria shown, it says "a few", 2 is "a few".
 
KingTempest said:
The last video is him redirecting natural lightning, which is a criteria

Flowing through conducting materials is another one.

2 criteria shown, it says "a few", 2 is "a few".
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If u mean Iroh then yeah he did redirect real lightning....but if u mean how Zuko does it against Azula then that still doesn't prove that them shooting lightning is actual real

Also a few = 3

2 = couple
 
BlackeJan said:
If u mean Iroh then yeah he did redirect real lightning....but if u mean how Zuko does it against Azula then that still doesn't prove that them shooting lightning is actual real

Also a few = 3

2 = couple
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A few = 2 or 3
Several = 3 or more
2 = couple

A few is 2 or 3.

Iroh did redirect real lightning, that works for all of them. I'm not talking about Zuko and Azula w/ real lightning.

A criteria for real lightning is the person being able to manipulate real lightning. Iroh can do it, and unless only Iroh is able to redirect lightning (for some reason he gets random special treatment), then it scales to all the other criteria.
 
KingTempest said:
A few = 2 or 3
Several = 3 or more
2 = couple

A few is 2 or 3.

Iroh did redirect real lightning, that works for all of them. I'm not talking about Zuko and Azula w/ real lightning.

A criteria for real lightning is the person being able to manipulate real lightning. Iroh can do it, and unless only Iroh is able to redirect lightning (for some reason he gets random special treatment), then it scales to all the other criteria.
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No. Few is something more than 2 but not too many

This right here shows the reason why Iroh can redirect lightning using the energy from bending in general and only a few can do that. Also lets not forget how the Naruto series has a crack ton of criteria for lightning yet not all are considered such
 
BlackeJan said:
No. Few is something more than 2 but not too many
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Blacke, if the wiki meant 3 or more they would've just said several, which they didn't.
BlackeJan said:
This right here shows the reason why Iroh can redirect lightning using the energy from bending in general and only a few can do that. Also lets not forget how the Naruto series has a crack ton of criteria for lightning yet not all are considered such
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That has to do w/ a qualification applying why?

Did you miss the Naruto CRT where they got a bunch of them applied? And lightning in Naruto is used for different things in different ways (blasting, piercing, cutting, swords, currents), while lightning in Avatar is used for 1 thing (a lightning strike)
 
KingTempest said:
Blacke, if the wiki meant 3 or more they would've just said several, which they didn't.

That has to do w/ a qualification applying why?

Did you miss the Naruto CRT where they got a bunch of them applied? And lightning in Naruto is used for different things in different ways (blasting, piercing, cutting, swords, currents), while lightning in Avatar is used for 1 thing (a lightning strike)
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Im serious. You can even look it up. What ive said about Iroh redirecting lightning because you said " if he can do it then so can the rest" yet only a few can do it, so not all are capable of the feat. The criteria for lightning is the same for everything no matter what and yes I was there for the CRT but again it was agreed that not ALL are considered real lightning
 
bro this debate is kinda pointless ,it dont make sense for one lightning bending feat to be lightning and the others not once again literally all other bendings are natural why would lightning be any different... oh and btw unalaq and korra should get soul damaging via water bending, unalaq used it against korra which was hurting her soul in her arms and shoulders and was gonna destroy jinoras soul (dont remember if i said this before)
 
Zezu1995 said:
yes sure but thats how real lightning is also, plus all BENDING is natural so it dont even matter .. why would every other bending be natural but lightning? dont make sense
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In fairness, the 4 elements and sub elements like lightning are 2 different situations IMO. The 4 elements are natural since not only do they use natural forces from the environment, but they are also empowered by forces that would correlate to natural elements. Fire and Water can be empowered by lunar and solar energy.

lightning is kind of a different case since its the sub element of fire (which has next to nothing to do with real lightning) and its generated by the chi inside of yourself. And as someone said above, Iroh's explanation is up for interpretation as just meaning yin and yang energy, not literally seperating positive and negative ions from inside of your body.

Honestly, it can go either way if Avatar fits enough criteria to be considered real lightning.
 
ok how about this i just remembered , go to youtube and google amon takes away the fire guys bending, when he shots lightning and amon dodges it and catches him the lightning turns into a fire stream
 
Lightning is empowered by Solar energy via being a subpower of fire. And Iroh even compares it to Water bending to some extent. So I get where the Yin and Yang comes from by those descriptions.
 
naw only the reflection is water bending, cuz lightning bending was invented all the way in kyoshis time
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Lightning is empowered by Solar energy via being a subpower of fire. And Iroh even compares it to Water bending to some extent. So I get where the Yin and Yang comes from by those descriptions.
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I dont recall it ever being said or shown that lightning was empowered by the sun.

The only connection IK it correlates to the sun to is that its connected via fire in some fashion.
 
Either way, this is not the thread to discuss the criteria for Avatar Lightning. We still have a lot of stuff left to do about whats been suggested here.

Lightning stuff should be taken to its own thread.
 
It's still produced using a Fire bender's Chi, and a firebenders' Chi is enhanced by the Sun. But I agree with stopping the derailment.
 
i just gave everything a re-read and it looks good, tho iirc katara flew in the comics when she was holding the king, i think it was more of using waterbendning as a foot placement to fly
 
The calc itself was reject (currently using for the speed feat) hence why I said we should calc the Iroh reacting to lightning
 
Anywho, back to the topic of the thread here. For the stat upgrades, it looks like its still agreed on to make Raava, Vaatu, Unalaq and Post-Book 2 Korra in their avatar states 6-C, likely much higher via Vaatu being stated to potentially make the worlds cease to exist.

Any objections? If not, those should be allowed to be added to the pages now.
 
im fine with it, but question , you mean the old site? cuz i dont see the profiles on this site
 
Just curious but why dose aang scale to korra’s spirt energy cannon feat? And why hasn’t any calced avatar szeto casually erupting four volcanos in base or kurk making a giant tsunami instantly?
 
The_one_you_least_excpet said:
Just curious but why dose aang scale to korra’s spirt energy cannon feat? And why hasn’t any calced avatar szeto casually erupting four volcanos in base or kurk making a giant tsunami instantly?
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It probably because no one has calced them yet. You should probably go ask it in the calc request forum
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Well no. She also learned spirit bending from Unalaq in Book 2

Also yeah these revisions have been pretty overdue. Some of the upgrades from this at least should’ve been applied.
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Unalaq doesn't really bend sprits, he just have a way to destroy them with his waterbending. Like this might count, but I wouldn't say it's to the same extent like how the Avatars can energy bend. Also any Avatar can close the spirit portals, so that's not something unique to Korra
 
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