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I'm pretty sure it would just be temporary. The whole point of the Avatar State is that it gives you the knowledge and skills of the Avatar at that moment. The novelization of Sozin's Comet seems to support this as it describes the Avatar State as a combination of all of Aang's past lives acting with him in the fight. If her link to those lives was severed Post-Harmonic Convergence, she should not retain those abilities.Also, as for Korra losing her past lives abilities, I’m not sure. Shouldn’t an Avatar still have their past lives stuff once they use the Avatar State? As in, Korra knows all her past lives stuff permanently? Or does the Avatar only keep their knowledge temporarily when in the AS?
Aang actively gave her the ability. It's pretty much what the Lion Turtle did in that Aang gave Korra the ability to do it too. The same cannot be said about the other abilities.Hmm. Didn’t Korra obtain energy bending via the Avatar State?
I know Aang restored her bending with it, but Korra was able to keep the ability and use it when she goes in the Avatar State. And she still has it post-Harmonic Convergence.
It wouldn't for really being the moon, it would be for having control over it. In the same way that La doesn't have to be the oceans themselves to control it, Tui doesn't have to be the moon itself to have influence over it. So yes, there is actual credence for them to scale to 5-C.Well the thing about 5-C is that the moon spirit would only be 5-C for literally being the moon itself. It’s not as if it can fight as the moon or can use AP on that level. If we wanted to scale others to that, they’d have to have feats of effecting the moon since it’s tier is based on size.
High 6-A, to me, seems much more concrete to scale from since it’s an actual AP feat, it’s lower tier so it’s easier to get accepted, and it’s not that much lower then 5-C tier wise.
The scale in feats in comparison between the 2 are different cases.It wouldn't for really being the moon, it would be for having control over it. In the same way that La doesn't have to be the oceans themselves to control it, Tui doesn't have to be the moon itself to have influence over it. So yes, there is actual credence for them to scale to 5-C.
Are you talking about this feat -if you guys want a read (plz just talk about it here after reading , ya know im horrible xd) anyways question i recently made some avatar feats on a death battle group.. base korra with air bending was able to push back the mecha which should be large building since the force was great enough for it to break buildings in the process . grr i wish the gif/picture thing was easier to use would be much faster
They really aren't all that different. Tui never gets to show full dominion over it because they don't get the chance to, nor does Yue. Tui's temporary death actually causes the moon to no longer be up in the sky entirely. You literally would not need to show such a thing if your existence is fundamentally supporting the moon. They really aren't different cases at all. Tui and La BOTH have control over their respective ties. The fact you're willing to support La's ocean feat but not Tui's moon feat is very odd.The scale in feats in comparison between the 2 are different cases.
We never see Tui/Yue have actual dominion over the moon in the way your thinking it to be. The only way their 5-C would be scaled to others is if they can actually move the moon at all or use attacks on that level. Neither of which we never see.
For a tier as big as 5-C, I just don’t think we have enough concrete evidence for that compared to La’s High 6-A.
Korra has quite a few feats that could be calced. Ghazan bringing down part of the Ba Sing Se wall is also another one that should be done.yes that feat also, im rewatching s3 when their breaking out the fire bender , do zaheer have a calc for his snow storm?
To be fair, im pretty sure Tui's death didnt literally remove the moon out of place. Otherwise, a lot of chaotic complications over the planet would've happened like it would IRL without the moon. The moon seems to have only darkned out completely (and this is consistent with the fact that when Tui was dying without having water, the moon became red rather than starting to vanish).They really aren't all that different. Tui never gets to show full dominion over it because they don't get the chance to, nor does Yue. Tui's temporary death actually causes the moon to no longer be up in the sky entirely. You literally would not need to show such a thing if your existence is fundamentally supporting the moon. They really aren't different cases at all. Tui and La BOTH have control over their respective ties. The fact you're willing to support La's ocean feat but not Tui's moon feat is very odd.
Avatar's intended audience is for younger kids on Nickelodeon (even with all the mature themes). I'm pretty sure they would not greenlight the number of chaotic effects it would have in an immediate situation for the show. Also, to be fair, Aang and Iroh outright try to explain to Zhao that removing the moon would do more than just depower the Waterbenders. This also doubles for evidence that it would actually rid the moon.To be fair, im pretty sure Tui's death didnt literally remove the moon out of place. Otherwise, a lot of chaotic complications over the planet would've happened like it would IRL without the moon. The moon seems to have only darkned out completely (and this is consistent with the fact that when Tui was dying without having water, the moon became red rather than starting to vanish).
La's ocean feat is more acceptable because we know La is a waterbender that can control absurd amounts of water, so it having dominion over what its the incarnation of is concrete thinking. Having dominion over an entire celestial object and moving it? Thats a different ballpark. And I dont think its enough concrete evidence for shoot for tier 5, even if it's potentially fine.
I think it was speed.do you guess remember when korra/unalaq just went from the middle of the tree of time to each side/end of the portals? was that teleportation, speed or just visuals?
As far as I can tell, the Sound Manipulation is fine as is. There hasn't been anyone who opposed it in this thread. But yes, all of this was generally accepted.I have moved this thread here, that can be added to this threads revisions
From the thread above, the following has been accepted:
Non-physical Interaction (Can interact with spirits)
Possession (past avatars can take over the current avatars body)
Resistance to Willpower Manipulation and Fear Manipulation
Heat Manipulation for the Avatars and Airbenders like Tenzin (Air benders can manipulate their body tempretures)
Possible Sound Manipulation: Air manipulation amplifies sound waves, but if this is sound manipulatin or not is up to the staff I guess.
Healing seems fine to add. However, it really would only matter for Roku's page. Aang and Korra both have Healing already without the Avatar State on their pages. Unless her healing is more potent in the Avatar State than normal, then it might not matter to really add it for Aang and Korra.Things to talk about
Healing. I was told it is accepted if I can get the scan, but right now I'm too lazy to go through an entire novel again. Basically in a recent Kyoshi Novel, Kyoshi mastered healing and could use it in the AS. So in the AS Avatars should have healing.
In the Avatar guide, it was stated the reason Aang resisted bloodbending was because of the AS. Bloodbending is literally another form of Waterbending, so it should also count as resistance to water manipulation. I also believe it should scale to resistance to the other elements, as the resistance to Blood manipulation came from the AS, but I guess it's up to debate
Soul and power null resistance: Wokistan brought this up so he should probably comment here
I should also add, there is a Large Mountain level feat for Yangchen in the AS thats been calced, I can post it here if needed
We might have to remove it then because I don't remember Aang using it, nor does the Avatar Wiki note him as a notable user of it. I assumed I was just forgetting something the page had.I don’t remember Aang having known the healing aspect of waterbending, rather that being Kataras thing.
Korra is a different story since she learned healing from Katara as part of her waterbending training.
You don't get light manipulation just because you can make your eyes glow.Firstly, I think Light Manipulation should be something we add to all profiles of the Avatar. The Avatar State has them glowing with their eyes and other parts of their bodies with light.
Can you name any actual reason for that or not?You don't get light manipulation just because you can make your eyes glow.
Figures the underrated Bending feat of the sequence was the one that might actually be the most impressive. Anyway, this should be formatted into a blog and submitted into the Calculation Evaluations Thread.
Because that is dumb? Unless you can use the light you create in any productive way, it isn't worth mentioning. Saying that it is light manipulation just because someone can make their eyes glow is misleading and stupid. At best, you can mention on his profile something like "Can make his eyes glow", but again, mentioning something as insignificant and useless thing as that will just make the profile look dumb.Can you name any actual reason for that or not?
If that is the sole reason for such additions, they should be removed. Two wrongs don't make a right. Anri Sonohara can also make her eyes glow red. She does not get "light manipulation" lol.I've found a profile with a pretty simple google search that has it for the exact same reason. I know I've seen that reason on other profiles too.
That will only apply when he is energy bending. And even then, that was a one time thing for visual and dramatic purposes. We later see Aang do the same to Yakone and Korra do the same to Lin. Nothing of that sort happens ever again, only their eyes and pressure points glow.He makes a beacon of light come from himself when Energybending Ozai as well.