So about DBZ Kai?

[Eden_Warlock99]

Then why isn't Broly in Fusion Reborn? Also, didn't the director of the movies state that Broly was the strongest movie villain?

The Guy that made Broly,Janemba and Hirudegarn stated he's the strongest Movie villain, and that there's no one in the anime above him, but They're probably death of the author

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

But he has better feats than any other movie villain though.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Then why isn't Broly in Fusion Reborn? Also, didn't the director of the movies state that Broly was the strongest movie villain?

Paragus is in Fusion reborn though

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

But Broly isn't.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

You could literally just say it's a cameo.

 

[AwkguyDB]

But Broly isn't.

Probably why

 

[Missy0124]

AwkguyDB


The movies don't even make sense as part of the anime continuity though a example of this would be broly being multigalaxy yet at that same time the z fighters struggle with a solar system bug weeks later and all that gif proves is that the movies are canon to themselves which is obviously stated and shown multiple times.

knowing one move makes continuities connected how exactly and under your logic zamasu is goten because they can both use the kamehamha beam nonetheless knowing the fusion technique does not make movie vegeta related to anime vegeta all that proves is that ether his son taught him at one point or he just learned via seeing the move done.

gogeta would not act drastically different to one in fusion reborn if these were the same characters and ofc most events in xenoverse are different it's a different game afterall and if you know how xenoverse works each different encounter takes place in a different timeline.

if your being technical the first ever appearance of towa chronologically would be in dragon ball online

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

OK, that doesn't mean he destroyed his existence or something. Also, why the hell would Bojack and the other movie villains follow frieza's orders?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Fusion Reborn is a hot mess of continuity problems.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

AwkguyDB


The movies don't even make sense as part of the anime continuity though a example of this would be broly being multigalaxy yet at that same time the z fighters struggle with a solar system bug weeks later and all that gif proves is that the movies are canon to themselves which is obviously stated and shown multiple times.

knowing one move makes continuities connected how exactly and under your logic zamasu is goten because they can both use the kamehamha beam nonetheless knowing the fusion technique does not make movie vegeta related to anime vegeta all that proves is that ether his son taught him at one point or he just learned via seeing the move done.

gogeta would not act drastically different to one in fusion reborn if these were the same characters

I know right?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

The Guy that made the movie thinks Broly is Stronger than Janemba, that's probably why

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

He really is if you look at his feats compared to Janemba's.

 

[AwkguyDB]

You could literally just say it's a cameo.

A cameo role or cameo appearance (/ˈkæmioʊ/; often shortened to just cameo) is a brief appearance or voice part of a well known person in a work of the performing arts. These roles are generally small, many of them non-speaking ones, and are commonly either appearances in a work in which they hold some special significance (such as actors from an original movie appearing in its remake) or renowned people making uncredited appearances.


The point of this cameo was to say that the prior movies and adventures held some special significance. All of a sudden we can't just say Broly didn't happen in the Fusion Reborn line because he was not there, neither was Turles, nor Slug, nor Whello or Garlic Jr, yet all their henchmen were there, Bojack was also present and he is stronger than Frieza but he wasn't the one who fought Gohan. My point is Broly himself doesn't need to make an appearence in this movie to establish that he himself exist in this timeline, thats what Paragus is there for XD. The movie is not focused on Broly its focused on Janemba and this scene is just showing how disruptive of a being Janemba is by literally being able to bring the dead in the living world.

 

[AwkguyDB]

You would scale Cell to Broly not Broly to Cell since Broly chronologically came before Cell

 

[Missy0124]

AwkguyDB

Never said broly never happened in fusion reborn i've only ever said the movies have no relation to the anime continuity.

i've consistently cited toriyma's timeline remark to argue for the movies being one universe so what are you arguing against exactly and i said broly can't happen in the cell saga due to the blatant power disparity so your misinterpreting what i've said yet again

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I agree that movies aren't related to the main anime continuity and reside in their own timeline tbh. They just don't fit with the anime at all lol.

 

[AwkguyDB]

At this point you guys are asking for too much and Derailing from the topic at hand this has really nothing to do with the Toeiverse all of the movies and Gt have continuity issues but this has nothing to do with them rather everything to do with how DBS was not meant to follow the manga and those showings but does.

I ain't trying to get a huge DB revision done just acknowledging the fact that the "contradictions" in Kai are so trivial and minor that there should be no reason why it is not accepted as a canon that leads directly to Super.

My proposal is super simple and easy and would give a few bumps to 4-B profiles all DBZ profiles would just be DB manga profiles and we can effectively use Anime (Kai) feats and statements for Buu Saga characters who should be 3-C based on a few juicy ones.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

@AwkguyDB

I agree with that. DB Kai should be canon to Super and the "contradictions" cited to discredit it are really insignificant.

And again I agree with your proposal, as it's the simplest solution imo.

 

[Missy0124]

AwkguyDB


I'm not asking for too much i have a very clear idea of how it should be going off the facts presented.

i'll just give my proposal on this because debating this topic is getting nowhere especially considering how you think the movies are related to the anime when their blatantly not connected whatsoever going off statements and showcases in the series itself.

here's my proposal of sorts it's not the best but it's the most logical considering the facts presented


The Animeverse

Db Anime > Dbz anime > super and or gt

btw super would be considered connected the anime prior to itself but not gt because that's a different timeline obviously but it follows the same story.

 The Mangaverse

Db manga

 The Movieverse

Db movies > dbz movies

 The Videogame continuity

Db online > Xenoverse > heroes unsure where fighterz would fit in but it's obviously part of the same universe via 21 appearing in both xenoverse and heroes

 

[AwkguyDB]

AwkguyDB
I'm not asking for too much i have a very clear idea of how it should be going off the facts presented.

i'll just give my proposal on this because debating this topic is getting nowhere especially considering how you think the movies are related to the anime when their blatantly not connected whatsoever going off statements and showcases in the series itself.

here's my proposal of sorts it's not the best but it's the most logical considering the facts presented


The Animeverse

Db Anime > Dbz anime > super and or gt

btw super would be considered connected the anime prior to itself but not gt because that's a different timeline obviously but it follows the same story.

 The Mangaverse

Db manga

 The Movieverse

Db movies > dbz movies

 The Videogame continuity

Db online > Xenoverse > heroes unsure where fighterz would fit in but it's obviously part of the same universe via 21 appearing in both xenoverse and heroes

Thats fair

 

[Missy0124]

AwkguyDB


What do you by that's fair do you mean my assessment is fair or my proposal is fair.

 

[AwkguyDB]

AwkguyDB
What do you by that's fair do you mean my assessment is fair or my proposal is fair.

your proposal is fair its not too much of a stretch to separate the movies from the anime and use the anime to lead into Super. I still think I would rather how I have it, less changes on the profiles, but its a good option two.

 

[Omegas03]

He really is if you look at his feats compared to Janemba's.

Noooope.

All Broly did was beating an SSJ2 Adult Gohan along with Goten and Trunks. SPC or SSJ2 Kid Gohan could very much replicate what he did.

Fat Janemba required SSJ3 Goku stronger than the one in Buu Arc to defeat and Super Janemba casually beat SSJ3 Goku and required fusion of all things.

Broly has nothing on Janemba, not even the Fat Janemba. Broly is Good Buu tier at the very most and that's being very generous.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Yeah like you could argue SSJ3 Goku's AfterLifequake and Gogeta's energy lighting up the cosmos could be better feats going towards Janemba.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Broly's destroying the South Galaxy feat is rendered Multi Solar on here, who knows why, jeez so he is still inferior to Janemba who would scale higher based on his own feats.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Yea Broly is 4-A while Janemba is easily 3-C+ to 3-B through feats.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

M10 Gohan is a gohan that kept training

M8 Broly is already stronger than Ssj2 Gohan, M10 Broly then is That Broly times the Lssj Multiplier which is above the Ssj2 Multiplier

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

M10 Gohan is a gohan that kept training

M8 Broly is already stronger than Ssj2 Gohan, M10 Broly then is That Broly times the Lssj Multiplier which is above the Ssj2 Multiplier

Those multipliers aren't enough to boost Broly from 4-A to 3-B anyway, so Janemba is still vastly more powerful.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Isn't Janemba 3-C+?

 

[AwkguyDB]

Isn't Janemba 3-C+?

yee

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Isn't Janemba 3-C+?

Yes he is. My bad I mixed him up with Gogeta's rating. Still though 3-C+ is much higher than 4-A and I don't think the multipliers will get Broly to that level.

 

[AwkguyDB]

^tis be true

 

[AwkguyDB]

M10 Gohan is a gohan that kept training
M8 Broly is already stronger than Ssj2 Gohan, M10 Broly then is That Broly times the Lssj Multiplier which is above the Ssj2 Multiplier

Trust me though I get your point, I was with you in trying to get Broly upgraded to 3-C because logically being a threat to the Quadrants and nearly destroying the entirety of the South Quadrant is at least a Galaxy level feat.

 

[Omegas03]

If the standards some how get changed almost everyone in the ToP and Vegeta's first key will get changed to 3-C or 4-A lol.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Trust me though I get your point, I was with you in trying to get Broly upgraded to 3-C because logically being a threat to the Quadrants and nearly destroying the entirety of the South Quadrant is at least a Galaxy level feat.

Yea this makes sense too tbh. If this gets accepted I can see Broly getting to Janemba's lvl via scaling and multipliers then. Or even outright being stronger than him.

 

[Missy0124]

AwkguyDB


Broly is at solar system level because they need their toeiverse idea to make sense and if they need to downplay some characters to do so they will nonetheless the scaling system used now makes zero sense and requires information to be artificially excluded and or altered to fit their means

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

If the standards some how get changed almost everyone in the ToP and Vegeta's first key will get changed to 3-C or 4-A lol.

That would be incredible tbh lol. Though it would render all the awesome VS Threads you made invalid unfortunately....

A soul for a soul...

 

[AwkguyDB]

AwkguyDB


Broly is at solar system level because they need their toeiverse idea to make sense and if they need to downplay some characters to do so they will nonetheless the scaling system used now makes zero sense and requires information to be artificially excluded and or altered to fit their means

ok that I 100% agree with

 

[Omegas03]

Nope because Chou would still be 4-B. The standards change Anime related things mostly. @Slayer

Anyways I am neutral with this change tbh.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Nope because Chou would still be 4-B. The standards change Anime related things mostly.

I see you thought ahead and played it safe lol. Anyway I won't get ahead of myself and jinx it Lmao.