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So about DBZ Kai?
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how is profile changes bad and any revision of this level will require massive changes as is so how's that a point against my proposal exactly ofc your going to think your idea is better because your one making it.
You can't have the movies together with the anime due to blatant continuity and scaling issues and it's also due to the fact their clearly stated as separate
how is profile changes bad and any revision of this level will require massive changes as is so how's that a point against my proposal exactly ofc your going to think your idea is better because your one making it.
You can't have the movies together with the anime due to blatant continuity and scaling issues and it's also due to the fact their clearly stated as separate
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It would only need to change the DBZ profiles into DBZ Manga profiles and just adding a whole entire profile for the anime tiers and bump Super low tiersMissy0124 said:
your proposal, while not bad at all, requires separation between Toei Movies and the Anime as well as changes scaling for Gt characters since, example, characters like GT Goku have specific keys and abilities based on what he did in Fusion Reborn.
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Would Cell even become 4-A? The Only reason he's 4-A in the Toeiverse cause of Broly, who isn't in Kai, Buu level characters would be 4-A, or even 3-B if they scale to Kid Buu, Kid Buu would also become stronger than Buuhan in Super Canon
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AwkguyDB
Most of the dbz pages are already focused on the manga as is and big revisions have been done before eg moving toeiverse over to it's own page.
having separation between the movie characters and anime characters is bad how exactly btw we both know this type of thing will never get passed by the staff so why bother in all honestly.
solar system level broly is a thing despite him on screen destroying galaxies the idea of a toeiverse is objectively bad not only because it makes no sense but because it requires to alter statistics to fit in line with a narrative.
Omegas03
Super showcasing a reanimated version of the future trunks special,calling back to various anime only thingsand the anime staff saying super follows the dbz anime that's the evidence for super following the anime.
the manga's side has the fact toriyama writes vague notes and the fact jaco was wrote by him there's also the fact super was called a sequel to dbz no joke that's one of their arguments.
Most of the dbz pages are already focused on the manga as is and big revisions have been done before eg moving toeiverse over to it's own page.
having separation between the movie characters and anime characters is bad how exactly btw we both know this type of thing will never get passed by the staff so why bother in all honestly.
solar system level broly is a thing despite him on screen destroying galaxies the idea of a toeiverse is objectively bad not only because it makes no sense but because it requires to alter statistics to fit in line with a narrative.
Omegas03
Super showcasing a reanimated version of the future trunks special,calling back to various anime only thingsand the anime staff saying super follows the dbz anime that's the evidence for super following the anime.
the manga's side has the fact toriyama writes vague notes and the fact jaco was wrote by him there's also the fact super was called a sequel to dbz no joke that's one of their arguments.
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DBS Anime following Kai
Why it should:
Toriyama and Toei said that this needs to be the case, Kai goes out of its way to reduce many filler moments to match it to the manga, theres really not many contradictions in Kai that can't be ignored or are essential to the plot. DBS also contradicts a few things that were in the manga like Future Trunks' inital Super Saiyan transformation.
Why it shouldn't:
Kai still has filler that goes against what was shown in Super, like Frieza in hell and Goku's early earth life (not sure if this scene is in Kai)? both which were retconned in Super.
DBS Anime following Z
Why it should:
This is the original anime and also many current filler characters are shown in Super while having either minor or no appearances in Kai. Also apparently the time travel mechanics work similar to the Z anime which contradicts both Kai and the manga.
Why it shouldn't:
The Z anime has tons of filler moments essential to the plot that is never brought up again in DBS and even connects to the movies, cough Garlic Jr. Also Toriyama and Kido said that Super is the direct successor of Kai. The filler characters that appear in Super could also exist in the Kai universe there is no contradiction with that.
DBS Anime following Z Manga.
Why it should:
The Manga is the original source of Dragon Ball, its safe to use the manga for literally any Dragon Ball media and is Akira Toriyama's direct storyboard.
Why it shouldn't:
The Manga has its own contradictions with the Super Anime that completely changes essential plot points. Gregory is a frequently shown character in the DBZ, DBKAI and DB Super anime and Future Trunks is depicted being a SSJ prior to Gohan's death where in Kai there is a whole scene showing Trunks getting Super Saiyan after Gohan's death.
everyone can add to the arguments or clarifiy their points but this is what I got so far.
Why it should:
Toriyama and Toei said that this needs to be the case, Kai goes out of its way to reduce many filler moments to match it to the manga, theres really not many contradictions in Kai that can't be ignored or are essential to the plot. DBS also contradicts a few things that were in the manga like Future Trunks' inital Super Saiyan transformation.
Why it shouldn't:
Kai still has filler that goes against what was shown in Super, like Frieza in hell and Goku's early earth life (not sure if this scene is in Kai)? both which were retconned in Super.
DBS Anime following Z
Why it should:
This is the original anime and also many current filler characters are shown in Super while having either minor or no appearances in Kai. Also apparently the time travel mechanics work similar to the Z anime which contradicts both Kai and the manga.
Why it shouldn't:
The Z anime has tons of filler moments essential to the plot that is never brought up again in DBS and even connects to the movies, cough Garlic Jr. Also Toriyama and Kido said that Super is the direct successor of Kai. The filler characters that appear in Super could also exist in the Kai universe there is no contradiction with that.
DBS Anime following Z Manga.
Why it should:
The Manga is the original source of Dragon Ball, its safe to use the manga for literally any Dragon Ball media and is Akira Toriyama's direct storyboard.
Why it shouldn't:
The Manga has its own contradictions with the Super Anime that completely changes essential plot points. Gregory is a frequently shown character in the DBZ, DBKAI and DB Super anime and Future Trunks is depicted being a SSJ prior to Gohan's death where in Kai there is a whole scene showing Trunks getting Super Saiyan after Gohan's death.
everyone can add to the arguments or clarifiy their points but this is what I got so far.
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AwkguyDB
Toriyama and the anime staff mentioned it following the anime not kai but to be fair they could of meant ether.
super does not make sense even going by it's own logic eg freeza never heard of ssg form in fukasu no f arc yet in the broly movie he seaches for any super saiyans and or super saiyan gods on plantet vegeta before destoying it so it can't even stay consistent to itself.
dai kaioshin also appears in the super despite never being shown in the original manga and elder kai stated to be sealed by someone around buu's level that was retconed in super to be someone much more powerful.
Super's time travel does not line up with anything really presented prior that includes the toei anime. the original had time travel more akin to dimension hopping while super uses more traditional interpretations of time travel
Toriyama and the anime staff mentioned it following the anime not kai but to be fair they could of meant ether.
super does not make sense even going by it's own logic eg freeza never heard of ssg form in fukasu no f arc yet in the broly movie he seaches for any super saiyans and or super saiyan gods on plantet vegeta before destoying it so it can't even stay consistent to itself.
dai kaioshin also appears in the super despite never being shown in the original manga and elder kai stated to be sealed by someone around buu's level that was retconed in super to be someone much more powerful.
Super's time travel does not line up with anything really presented prior that includes the toei anime. the original had time travel more akin to dimension hopping while super uses more traditional interpretations of time travel
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IMO the filler in the DBS anime clearly show it can't be following the manga while the filler in the original DBZ anime don't work with multiple plot point of DBS (like the Super Kaioken).
Honestly DBS seems to follow a weird mix of the manga and DB Kai, that's how i see at least.
Honestly DBS seems to follow a weird mix of the manga and DB Kai, that's how i see at least.
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Toriyama never remains internally consistent. Between Trunk's hair, the neglect of Launch, forgetting SSJ2, etcetera, we cant act like anything is certain.
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TBF, Trunks's hair wasn't on him at all, Launch wasn't an important character (she was litteraly a one gag character) and SSJ2 was litteraly years after he made it, he did forget stuff or simply decided to ignore it but let's not overblow it.
There is also the fact that both Shueisha and Toei are very insistent in steering the DB franchise more into their own stuff, that's why Shueisha said the Manga was THE true successor of DBZ and Toei added their own character (even if some like Gregory were designed by Toriyama) to Super so it's not like Toriyama is the only influence here.
There is also the fact that both Shueisha and Toei are very insistent in steering the DB franchise more into their own stuff, that's why Shueisha said the Manga was THE true successor of DBZ and Toei added their own character (even if some like Gregory were designed by Toriyama) to Super so it's not like Toriyama is the only influence here.
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Btw i forgot marron was mentioned in super when 17 mispronounced his niece's name and bardock's squad was shown in the broly manga chapter. there was also one nekomajin character who was shown during aforementioned manga chapter.
logically speaking super cannot be canon to the manga due to the appearance of various anime only characters and constant referencing to the original anime series.
Just give it a few years and people will be clamoring over the next anime only series btw super is just another gt people will just move on to something more garbage than super and enforce it being canon all over again until they make another sequel to dbz nonetheless debating over this type of thing here is pointless because their already of the predetermined belief that their right
Btw i forgot marron was mentioned in super when 17 mispronounced his niece's name and bardock's squad was shown in the broly manga chapter. there was also one nekomajin character who was shown during aforementioned manga chapter.
logically speaking super cannot be canon to the manga due to the appearance of various anime only characters and constant referencing to the original anime series.
Just give it a few years and people will be clamoring over the next anime only series btw super is just another gt people will just move on to something more garbage than super and enforce it being canon all over again until they make another sequel to dbz nonetheless debating over this type of thing here is pointless because their already of the predetermined belief that their right
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Martin is impossible to be canon. Because it'd mean Garlic Jr is canon. Which is impossible.
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The real cal howard
Marron is not canon yet she's mentioned in super guess tarble is non canon aswell just ignore the fact he's mentioned aswell btw the wikia's definition is both subjective and nonsense not only because you have to ignore blatant facts to justify certain beliefs eg broly being solar system despite destroying galaxies on screen but because it's circular logic.
garlic jr is from the movie continuity not the anime continuity btw the anime arc featured does not tie into the movie plus toriyama stated the movies fall within their own timeline
Marron is not canon yet she's mentioned in super guess tarble is non canon aswell just ignore the fact he's mentioned aswell btw the wikia's definition is both subjective and nonsense not only because you have to ignore blatant facts to justify certain beliefs eg broly being solar system despite destroying galaxies on screen but because it's circular logic.
garlic jr is from the movie continuity not the anime continuity btw the anime arc featured does not tie into the movie plus toriyama stated the movies fall within their own timeline
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The series had three relevant women at that point and they nixed the only one that had a purpose beyond marrying a saiyan. Then she got all but replaced by 18.
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Tarble isn't canon. At least not anymore. He's not mentioned in Super, getting his name drop dropped.
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tarble was mentioned in the broly movie what are you talking about exactly and btw tarble is canon to super regardless of if you think so or not because the broly movie mentioned his existence.
yet again ignoring facts to justify the canon system here it's almost like the main page makes a note of how bad it is.
just ban this chat we know it's going to be done anyways because the mods here need to enact obviously fictitious policies regardless of if anyone agrees or even argues otherwise btw i've consistently debunked literally every argument about the canon system here time and time again even while at the age of 16.
tarble was mentioned in the broly movie what are you talking about exactly and btw tarble is canon to super regardless of if you think so or not because the broly movie mentioned his existence.
yet again ignoring facts to justify the canon system here it's almost like the main page makes a note of how bad it is.
just ban this chat we know it's going to be done anyways because the mods here need to enact obviously fictitious policies regardless of if anyone agrees or even argues otherwise btw i've consistently debunked literally every argument about the canon system here time and time again even while at the age of 16.
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He's also mentioned in the DBS Broly Guidebook
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No, the joke is just a mythology gag from Toei, Krillin dated her once for like a day and she dumped him litteraly years before 18 and Krillin met, this isn't freaking 'Friends', 18 has no reason to know about her or give a shit, in universe she's just being overprotective.Missy0124 said:
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A bit off topic but here's my take on DBS Goku's stats
This is going by DBS following Z/Kai, what do y'all think? not really an suggestion to change Goku to 2-C but I just thought to share it tbh.
This is going by DBS following Z/Kai, what do y'all think? not really an suggestion to change Goku to 2-C but I just thought to share it tbh.
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Missing some abilities, but the stats look really good to me. Good job!Omegas03 said:
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Seems Legit.Omegas03 said:
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Just realized that the Dragon Ball Official Citation Thread also supports the proposal.
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