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Alright, so while I'm writing up another revision, I wanted to try and tackle this one because I've been questioning it for awhile, and with all the MCU revisions going on, this isn't one that's gonna change the course of the scaling chain
My proposal is that we combine the Homemade Suit/Stealth Suit/Suitless and Tech Suit/Bosco Suit keys
Why? Well, it's simple, there's no reason to argue that the Tech Suits are any stronger than how Peter is with less advanced suits
The Suits
Unlike the Iron Spider, which works similarly to many of Tony's suits, there's nothing about the Tech or Bosco Suits that imply he's being enhanced to any degree. All they do is give him far more versatility through the suit's functions.
Spider-Man vs Vulture
"Held his own against Vulture, albeit barely"
This is a very misleading way of describing the final fight. For context, Peter just learned that his crush's father is Adrian Toomes, the same criminal he's been aiming to stop. From this point on, he doesn't approach him with the intent to fight, but rather try and convince him that he's making the wrong decisions. In the final confrontation, he focuses more on avoiding his attacks and uses a few webs to keep him at bay. He only ever strikes Toomes once in the fight and after that he just wants to save the guy from getting blown up.
From this point on, it should be clear: Peter was holding back. Even our Vulture page takes note of this. On that note, I also think we shouldn't claim that Vulture "Overpowered Spider-Man". Oh, wow, he beat down on the guy trying not to hurt him. Keep in mind that when he supposedly "overpowers" him, Peter's able to prevent him from continuing his onslaught which leads to Toomes resorting to dragging him into the air.
Durability
In his Homemade Suit, he's taking hits from gauntlets canonically superior to Crossbones', which did enough damage to Captain America to briefly exhaust him. Peter tanked the Shocker Gauntlet hits and still got up in both his Homemade and Tech Suit. We've seen Spider-Man catch a punch from Bucky and fight Cap. Why should it be implied Peter in Non-Tech Suits should be any lesser in durability or his AP?
Conclusions
Essentially, I propose that the keys look like this:
Key: Base | Iron Spider
Spider-Man's AP and Durability reasonings (for the Base key) should look like this:
Attack Potency: Building level (Held a ferry together. Fought Captain America, though the latter was holding back. Harmed Bucky with a swing kick. Kicked Giant-Man in the face hard enough to make him sidestep. Destroyed Mysterio's drones)
Durability: Building level (Survived being blasted through school buses by the Shocker, whose gauntlets are even more powerful than the ones Crossbones used to harm Captain America. Survived holding a ferry together, a jet bridge falling onto him, an accidental slap from Giant-Man, a few serious hits from Captain America. Withstood missiles from Mysterio's drones)
As for his Base key's speed:
Speed: Subsonic movement speed (Jumped on the roof of a bus and shot webs before a drone could perform a strike. Easily outran Black Widow. Comparable to Captain America) with Massively Hypersonic reflexes and combat speed (Matched Winter Soldier and Falcon in combat at the same time. Dodged Scarlet Witch's attacks and should be comparable to her. Dodged attacks from Chitauri-based technology). Higher with Spider-Sense (Dodged multiple automatic fire attacks from Mysterio's drones at the same time)
All the lifting strength stuff can just be from the stuff he has on his current Tech Suits key
And now onto Vulture
Attack Potency: Building level (Harmed Spider-Man)
Durability: Building level (Took a hit from Spider-Man, albeit he was holding back)
Thoughts?
EDIT: Three clarifications, I removed any mention of Cull from the stats given they're huge outliers that I think we can all agree don't support anything. Secondly, Iron Spider is not affected by this proposal. Lastly, Cull's lifting strength section will be edited because of the first clarification. Spider-Man is not superior to him in lifting strength
My proposal is that we combine the Homemade Suit/Stealth Suit/Suitless and Tech Suit/Bosco Suit keys
Why? Well, it's simple, there's no reason to argue that the Tech Suits are any stronger than how Peter is with less advanced suits
The Suits
Unlike the Iron Spider, which works similarly to many of Tony's suits, there's nothing about the Tech or Bosco Suits that imply he's being enhanced to any degree. All they do is give him far more versatility through the suit's functions.
Spider-Man vs Vulture
"Held his own against Vulture, albeit barely"
This is a very misleading way of describing the final fight. For context, Peter just learned that his crush's father is Adrian Toomes, the same criminal he's been aiming to stop. From this point on, he doesn't approach him with the intent to fight, but rather try and convince him that he's making the wrong decisions. In the final confrontation, he focuses more on avoiding his attacks and uses a few webs to keep him at bay. He only ever strikes Toomes once in the fight and after that he just wants to save the guy from getting blown up.
From this point on, it should be clear: Peter was holding back. Even our Vulture page takes note of this. On that note, I also think we shouldn't claim that Vulture "Overpowered Spider-Man". Oh, wow, he beat down on the guy trying not to hurt him. Keep in mind that when he supposedly "overpowers" him, Peter's able to prevent him from continuing his onslaught which leads to Toomes resorting to dragging him into the air.
Durability
In his Homemade Suit, he's taking hits from gauntlets canonically superior to Crossbones', which did enough damage to Captain America to briefly exhaust him. Peter tanked the Shocker Gauntlet hits and still got up in both his Homemade and Tech Suit. We've seen Spider-Man catch a punch from Bucky and fight Cap. Why should it be implied Peter in Non-Tech Suits should be any lesser in durability or his AP?
Conclusions
Essentially, I propose that the keys look like this:
Key: Base | Iron Spider
Spider-Man's AP and Durability reasonings (for the Base key) should look like this:
Attack Potency: Building level (Held a ferry together. Fought Captain America, though the latter was holding back. Harmed Bucky with a swing kick. Kicked Giant-Man in the face hard enough to make him sidestep. Destroyed Mysterio's drones)
Durability: Building level (Survived being blasted through school buses by the Shocker, whose gauntlets are even more powerful than the ones Crossbones used to harm Captain America. Survived holding a ferry together, a jet bridge falling onto him, an accidental slap from Giant-Man, a few serious hits from Captain America. Withstood missiles from Mysterio's drones)
As for his Base key's speed:
Speed: Subsonic movement speed (Jumped on the roof of a bus and shot webs before a drone could perform a strike. Easily outran Black Widow. Comparable to Captain America) with Massively Hypersonic reflexes and combat speed (Matched Winter Soldier and Falcon in combat at the same time. Dodged Scarlet Witch's attacks and should be comparable to her. Dodged attacks from Chitauri-based technology). Higher with Spider-Sense (Dodged multiple automatic fire attacks from Mysterio's drones at the same time)
All the lifting strength stuff can just be from the stuff he has on his current Tech Suits key
And now onto Vulture
Attack Potency: Building level (Harmed Spider-Man)
Durability: Building level (Took a hit from Spider-Man, albeit he was holding back)
Thoughts?
EDIT: Three clarifications, I removed any mention of Cull from the stats given they're huge outliers that I think we can all agree don't support anything. Secondly, Iron Spider is not affected by this proposal. Lastly, Cull's lifting strength section will be edited because of the first clarification. Spider-Man is not superior to him in lifting strength
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