Small Changes, Also Natsu Low 7-C and 7-C

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Also, Future Rogue is Likely Comparable to Hades

or stronger, you agree with the above description for Future Rogue (White Shadow Dragon Mode)?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I agree with the description

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

most likely HFM Natsu key will be created.

 

[Theglassman12]

Future Rogue being comparable to Hades is speculatory at best unless you have statements that shows otherwise.

@Enryu that's not a good reason to make a random tier for Natsu that's not diffferent from his other tier in any way shape or form.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Future Rogue being comparable to Hades is speculatory at best unless you have statements that shows otherwise.
@Enryu that's not a good reason to make a random tier for Natsu that's not diffferent from his other tier in any way shape or form.

But LFDM Natsu Post Second Origin is stronger than LFDM Natsu Pre Second Origin which fight against Hades and Future Rogue defeat LFDM Natsu Post Second Origin.

And one more time I think we can give the form "Hell Fire Mode" to Natsu for the same reason as the Savage Dragon Fire it seemed to demonstrate showed signs of a new form even though his appearance did not seem to be different, in this form Natsu was able to hurt Motherglare and fight against Future Rogue which defeat LFDM Natsu Post Second Origin.

 

[Theglassman12]

Natsu did not defeat hades in that form. He took that attack and shrugged it off

so because it seems to be a new form even though nothing in the entire fight suggests that it's a different form we should make another name for another form for natsu to needlessly clog his entire profile?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

@Demon

If we upgrade Natsu Base Second Origin to 7-C I think we'll have to give 7-C to Ultear and Gray as well.

Since Ultear forced Future Rogue Base to dodge her attack and Gray is comparable to Natsu.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Ultear and Gray would not scale, Gray is not exactly comparable to Natsu, during the GMG, and Ultear hasn't really shown any fighting feats like at all after the GMG

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

@Glassman

We'd be removing a key and adding a new one, it wouldn't really clog his page, plus it is a different form, and also if Ichigo, Naruto, Goku and Others, have a bunch of Keys, it's really not much of an Issue

As for Natsu's HellFire form, it should be likely 7-B since he did defeat Rogue and Motherglare, if not then just At least Low 7-B

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Natsu did not defeat hades in that form. He took that attack and shrugged it off
so because it seems to be a new form even though nothing in the entire fight suggests that it's a different form we should make another name for another form for natsu to needlessly clog his entire profile?

I never said that Natsu LFDM (Pre Second Origin) defeated Hades only said that Hades fought against Natsu LFDM (Pre Second Origin) and Future Rogue defeated Natsu (Post Second Origin) LFDM, although Hades fought against that Natsu on base without the Demon's Eye and Future Rogue(White Shadow Dragon Mode) is stronger than Hades(base), but Hades(Demon's Eye) is possibly comparable to Future Rogue(WSDM) or stronger.

The same thing goes to Natsu Savage Dragon Fire it was never demonstrated other than Natsu Base but it seemed that it was with signs of a new form or something different so we added the SDF Natsu, the same thing goes to HFM Natsu that this was most probably power-up by the flames of the Atlas Flame, unlike the Natsu Savage Dragon fire, this Natsu was shown to have had a power-up thus justifying the HFM Natsu.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Ultear and Gray would not scale, Gray is not exactly comparable to Natsu, during the GMG, and Ultear hasn't really shown any fighting feats like at all after the GMG

But Ultear's profile is like "Likely Low 7-C (Should it be similar to Gray and Natsu, Forced Future Rogue to dodge her attack)"?


So why on Gray's profile (Post Second Origin) he is described as "Low 7-C (is it comparable to Natsu)"?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I would simply say Gray is comparable to Gajeel

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I would simply say Gray is comparable to Gajeel

And Ultear?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

tomorrow afternoon or evening I'll continue this discussion I have to sleep.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Glassman
if Ichigo, Naruto, Goku and Others, have a bunch of Keys, it's really not much of an Issue

The difference is that those characters have actual forms that distinguish them from the other forms.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Hellfire is a different form though, Natsu's forms aren't very visually different, but I believe this one should be added, he has a different flame, and he is stronger than before

 

[Theglassman12]

again, you have not shown me what makes this different from any other form that justifies a brand new form to put on his profile. Just saying "it's a different form" without any proof to back it up is not enough.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

He eats Atlas Flames Fire, and the type of fire he is using changes, as well he gets a power boost from said fire, and is able to defeat an opponent he couldn't beat with his LFDM, plus this form is used to defeat a main antagonist of an arc, it's enough to warrant a key on his page, I know it might seem unnecessary, but it is part of the story, and the addition isn't hurting anything

 

[Theglassman12]

ok, then go for it.

 

[BlackeJan]

Gonna have to disagree about Hell fire mode being being At Least/likely at 7-B since post 2nd timeskip has more feats & he was 7-B+

 

[Antvasima]

You still need to ask the staff members knowledgeable about Fairy Tail to comment here: Knowledgeable Members List

That said, I think that August wasn't going to literally destroy Fiore via an explosion or somesuch. He was just going to kill all of the people within it via a hax attack.

 

[Antvasima]

As such, his High 6-B statistic should probably be removed, and it seems out of place for him to have a higher statistic than Acnologia.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

To be fair, August High 6-B justification is the fact it's been specified that he will destroys Fiore with Suicide attack (his normal stats is High 6-C). So it isn't necessarily higher than White Zeref, Natsu and Acno who has several solid High 6-B keys.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

So,any change for Ultear tier?

 

[Antvasima]

Wasn't he just going to boil the blood of all of the citizens?

 

[BlackeJan]

Wasn't he just going to boil the blood of all of the citizens?

Yup

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

August was going to destroy all of Fiore, via Hax, that's why he has a High 6-B key, he said he would wipe the country of the face of the earth, and it was decided that if Irene can casually hax all of Fiore with little difficulty, then August's Full Power and Sacrificing his life could be able to destroy Fiore, via hax, the fact that irene has a hax feat on Fiore, is why tge statement August made, was accepted as being fact

 

[LordGinSama]

Irene shouldn't even have any High 6-B key, it's not even environmental destruction but it's more of the range of her hax.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

It technically was destruction via hax, since she destroyed all but 1/20th of Fiore, it's only hax tho, and altering a large country's size via hax, is enough to warrant a key, I believe

 

[Theglassman12]

She didn't destroy it, she shrank the country.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

I mean, hers is basically Country scale reality warp. We have a character who got his tier from that.

Just replace " via Environmental Destruction" with "via Reality Warping" would be enough. There is no need to remove the High 6-B entirely.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Yeah, that would work, we should leave it on the page still

 

[BlackeJan]

I mean it's nit like it destroyed anything but yeah...I guess we should keep it

 

[Antvasima]

Reality warping is a far more versatile ability. Inserting it would be misleading.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Her reality warp isn't combat applicant, except as a method to BFR.

 

[Antvasima]

"Via Size Manipulation" seems more appropriate, so people do not think that she can change reality as she wishes.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

I mean, size manipulate doesn't allow you to rearrange an entire country, which is what Universe One did.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Homu well that's what it is, Brandish did the same thing to an island.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Brandish didn't rearrange the island tho, just makes it a lot bigger.

Which reminds me, if Calypso can get a tier via size manip, why can't Brandish have one too?

 

[Antvasima]

Reality warping is still an exaggeration. Size manipulation is closer to what she actually did.