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Skullgirls God Tiers revival

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At this point im just whatever with many things, might as well go for it. So the verse had 3 characters which were deleted about roughly half a decade or more in the past, the Trinity (Aeon, Venus and Mother), which should return once again in here

Due to the reality-fiction page, the Trinity would be Low 1-C, since the skullgirls verse is just a video game they play on a joystick controller, not only that but the skullgirls verse counts each character story in the roster of the game as a different timeline that happened, this also includes the ongoing webtoon as well, which are considered parallel universes with their own space-time

Not only that but Aeon, the goddess of time in the verse, is said she can manipulate multiple alternate timelines and observes history from beyond the world, on the other hand Venus, the goddess of space in the verse, unravel the very fabric of the universe, with her physical form being deceptive and only part of a much larger creature, with their true nature and size existing beyond the threshold of human comprehension, as not to forget, they are existing outside all of this while they play around with the verse to their liking, i asked if that last bit provides anything in regards to speed and i was told Immeasurable speed would be the answer, unless things changed in regards to this. As such we are told and shown they are beyond a tier 2 cosmology and its emphasized as such.

In regards to haxes for P&A, most of these come from Aeon and Venus bios provided already above or scans presented from game itself, we are just going to list what we getting:

-Acausality (Type 4)

-Immortality (Type 9)

-Higher-Dimensional Existence

-Reality Warping

-Avatar Creation (given the mentions of true forms being beyond our comprehension)

-Large Size (Type 10)


This would be what all share in common due to their nature, while those specific to one of the two sisters are as such:

Aeon

-Time Manipulation and Time Travel

-Sand Manipulation

-Crystal Manipulation

Venus

-Spatial Manipulation

-Portal Creation

-Teleportation

-Animal Manipulation

Mother

She would basically gain everything her daughters have given she is their mother and were made from her, as simple as that

Agree: Rikimarox2 (unsure on speed, agrees with all else), WeeklyBattles, Ikelaggan, StrymULTRA, , DarkDragonMedeus (Staff), Kisaragi_Megumi, Greatsage13th, y3p_owo, BadSystems, Andytrenom (Staff), KingTempest (Staff), Just_a_Random_Butler (Staff)

Disagree:
 
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Not sure on the Immeasurable speed part since the standards are so fucky that even I don't know what the hell qualifies anymore besides explicit statements of moving through time via speed alone.

That said, everything else seems fine. I agree with the CRT.
 
Honestly saying just the "outside" thing is bad for Immeasurable.

You can use the fact that they are outside of the verse to the point that time itself is fictional compared to them (AKA Aeon seeing history itself from outside the world), making them completely unbound from the notion of time of the 4D world, given that they can also play the timelines as just video games as well, implying that the time passing in said timeline has no relevance to them.

Aka in a TLDR version, their speed is just not bound from the 4D time, as that's seen as something fictional which they're not affected by.
 
Are sandboxes made yet for these characters? We need those to check the formatting and so on before making actual profiles.
 
BadSystems said:
I must be missing something. Mind spelling it out? You can be Tier 1 without having HDE.
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...you do realize that they're physically bigger than a multiverse and are in the same state of existence where said multiverse is viewed as a non-existent piece of fiction, right?

Tiers are given by sizes.
 
StrymULTRA said:
...you do realize that they're physically bigger than a multiverse and are in the same state of existence where said multiverse is viewed as a non-existent piece of fiction, right?

Tiers are given by sizes.
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I might be suffering from brainrot or something, I thought that R-F transcendence didn’t necessarily imply the extra axis.
 
BadSystems said:
I might be suffering from brainrot or something, I thought that R-F transcendence didn’t necessarily imply the extra axis.
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It does, as all the dimensions below you are simply treated as nonexistent due to being fictional, just like a 2D being is nonexistent to us, because we have an axis more.

Plus we give this by default to R>F characters (examples: here, here or here)
 
BlackDarkness679 said:
while they play around with the verse to their liking, i asked if that last bit provides anything in regards to speed and i was told Immeasurable speed would be the answer, unless things changed in regards to this. As such we are told and shown they are beyond a tier 2 cosmology and its emphasized as such.
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This isn't Immeasurable unless you can prove they have multiple independent temporal dimensions or can move through time as a vector of movement.

Just being beyond time or a timeline isn't an immeasurable justification.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
This isn't Immeasurable unless you can prove they have multiple independent temporal dimensions or can move through time as a vector of movement.

Just being beyond time or a timeline isn't an immeasurable justification.
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StrymULTRA said:
Honestly saying just the "outside" thing is bad for Immeasurable.

You can use the fact that they are outside of the verse to the point that time itself is fictional compared to them (AKA Aeon seeing history itself from outside the world), making them completely unbound from the notion of time of the 4D world, given that they can also play the timelines as just video games as well, implying that the time passing in said timeline has no relevance to them.

Aka in a TLDR version, their speed is just not bound from the 4D time, as that's seen as something fictional which they're not affected by.
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None of that is an immeasurable speed qualifier.

Q: Do higher-dimensional entities automatically get Immeasurable speed?​

A: No. To put it simply: Although the presence of the additional axis results in a higher-dimensional space being infinitely larger in comparision to a lower-dimensional one, the numerical values themselves remain unchanged, as a "dimension" is nothing more than a continuum of numbers representing a direction of space. Consequently, the euclidean distance between a Point A and a Point B is always represented by an one-dimensional path (Regardless of the dimension of the space in which they are embedded), whose length is always measurable and given by a generalization of the Pythagorean Theorem to n dimensions. That is:


Or, in plain english: Subtracting each of the coordinates of the starting and ending points (Distance is always given by the absolute value, so whether the result is negative or not is irrelevant), squaring the results, summing them up, and then taking the square root of the resulting value.

So, for example, in two-dimensional space, the distance between the points (4,4) and (8,8) is calculated through the following formula:

d(4,8) = |√(4 – 8)² + (4 – 8)²|

d(4,8) = √4² + 4²

d(4,8) = √16 + 16

d(4,8) = √32

d(4,8) = √32 = 5.656854 ≈ 6

Then, to generalize this to higher dimensions, we only have to take into account the additional variables. For example, in 6-dimensional space, the distance between the coordinates (2,2,2,2,2,2) and (8,8,8,8,8,8) is:

d(2,8) = |√(2 – 8)² + (2 – 8)² + (2 – 8)² + (2 – 8) + (2 – 8)² + (2 – 8)²|

d(2,8) = √6² + 6² + 6² + 6² + 6² + 6²

d(2,8) = √36 + 36 + 36 + 36 + 36 + 36

d(2,8) = √216 = 14.6969384567 ≈ 15

Taking the "15" to be some arbitrary unit of distance, it is then perfectly possible to gauge a defined speed for a character who crosses it in a given length of time. For example, if 15 in this case is 15 meters, then a character who crosses this in a second would naturally be moving at 15 m/s

Similarly, moving in a higher-dimensional space also doesn't qualify as Immeasurable speed, and would be more appropriately rated as Interdimensional range

Of course, this formula doesn't always illustrate how the distance between two points works in real life, as the Earth has curvature and is obviously not a perfectly flat plane like Euclidean Space (At least non-locally), and the same applies to the universe at large. This is no issue, however, as there are plenty of metrics that can be applied to non-euclidean spaces: For example, the distance between two points on the surface of a sphere is given by a geodesic, as opposed to a straight line passing directly through the sphere's interior, whose length is itself given by its spherical distance.

They can qualify for Immeasurable Speed, however, if the regular dimension of time appears like a spatial dimension from their higher dimensional perspective. That is to say, that it can freely be traversed both forward and backwards, allowing them to access any point in it and move unbound by the notions of time inherent to the lower space. An example of this are the Bulk Beings from Interstellar.
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Simply being big, higher dimensional or being beyond time isn't an immeasurable justification. You would need to prove that they treat time as a spatial dimension to get that rating.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Simply being big, higher dimensional or being beyond time isn't an immeasurable justification. You would need to prove that they treat time as a spatial dimension to get that rating.
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They literally see Time as a spatial dimension as they're above it completely and can replay it at will as a game.
 
StrymULTRA said:
They literally see Time as a spatial dimension as they're above it completely and can replay it at will as a game.
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Can you show a feat of them moving through time? Playing a game is just going to a point and controlling from there, but that isn't the same as Immeasurable movement speed
 
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