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Shūkurō Tsukishima vs Yami Sukehiro

Deceived3596

Deceived3596

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SBA
Speed Equalized
Both High 6-B Keys
Tsukishima - Key - Fullbringer Arc - AP - 700 Teratons
Yami - Key - Post-Advent of Qliphoth - AP - 650 Teratons


Vs


"Yami's Future Friend" - Arkenis, Arcker123, Deceived, Arc7Kuroi, azontr, LordGinSama, M_Animefan, YukaSama4, Lynieryz, AnonymousBlank, Purgy

"Tsukishima's Future Killer" - Arnoldstone18, SuperStar, Panache_x, Testarossa, Gumball_Ushiromiya, 16sa_vage, Lokolokurah, Jibz, 45Saef, Epsilon_R

"Tsukishima and Yami Become Future Lovers" -
 
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Voting Tsukishima till something else comes from Yami's side. As of right now Tsukishima needs one hit and can neg Yami's magic and learn all his techniques.
 
Aight, the three biggest problems for Tsuki are the following

  • Range (Tsuki only has melee range, and Yami can fire from kilometers away)
  • Dimensional Slash (Ranged dura negating slashes)
  • Precog (Yami can see attack's before they're made through sensing)
It seems like bringer light can counter all of this, as it grants Tsukishima the ability to fly to close the range gap, is a speed amp that allows him to dodge the slashes whilst closing in, and grants him resistance to extrasensory perception/Ki sensing, which Yami's precog relies on.

So yeah, I think Tsuki getting in close for a CQC fight is very likely. In CQC, he can again spam bringer light to amp his speed and fly for even further advantage in CQC. This will allow him to gain a single hit on Yami or his weapon, which will allow him to essentially win from there, through equalizing whatever skill/strength gap may exist, allowing him to see all of his techniques, and most importantly, mind screwing with BOTE.

Definitely leaning towards Tsuki, can be persuaded tho.

Watch me get negged
 
Iirc fullbringers and arrancars' flash step allows them to go to the enemy so quick that he can't even sense that right?
 
YukaSama4 said:
Iirc fullbringers and arrancars' flash step allows them to go to the enemy so quick that he can't even sense that right?
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It’s not due to speed, it’s just an inherent effect of the ability that sensory abilities are less effective against it. Akin to sonido.
Deceived said:
Currently voting for Tsukishima via Arcker's reasoning.
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Watch me argue that Tsukishima will power null the Dimensional Slash if it hits with BOTE.
 
Deceived said:
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Never use this pic again
 
Well what's Yami's mana zone like? Would it not be a counter to Tsukishima getting close?
 
Arkenis said:
Well what's Yami's mana zone like? Would it not be a counter to Tsukishima getting close?
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Do you mean his Iai slash? if he gets close, Yami is not going to miss at equalized speeds.

Mana Zone is a speed amp that boosts speed and power, it can create invisible platforms in the air for pseudo flight (sometimes it can make its user literally fly) and it causes attacks to spawn from anywhere omnidirectionally even inside of spells. Yami can condense Mana Zone to a point where he does a quick draw attack that never misses against those comparable to him in speed. Yami also applied this to death thrust to boost power too. Death Thrust and Iai slash don't miss their target and are extremely powerful attacks.


It's definitely going to do a shit ton of damage to Tsukihima. How does he counter?

Edit: Oh and Yami condenses mana zone into his arm for Death Thrust while he just condenses it into a smaller radius for Iai slash. So that should make Death Thrust > Iai Slash > regular Mana Zone in speed too.
 
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Arnoldstone18 said:
Do you mean his Iai slash? if he gets close, Yami is not going to miss at equalized speeds.

Mana Zone is a speed amp that boosts speed and power, it can create invisible platforms in the air for pseudo flight (sometimes it can make its user literally fly) and it causes attacks to spawn from anywhere omnidirectionally even inside of spells. Yami can condense Mana Zone to a point where he does a quick draw attack that never misses against those comparable to him in speed. Yami also applied this to death thrust to boost power too. Death Thrust and Iai slash don't miss their target and are extremely powerful attacks.


It's definitely going to do a shit ton of damage to Tsukihima. How does he counter?

Edit: Oh and Yami condenses mana zone into his arm for Death Thrust while he just condenses it into a smaller radius for Iai slash. So that should make Death Thrust > Iai Slash > regular Mana Zone in speed too.
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Does he start off with Mana zone? And how wide does it cover? If it's not big then a simple jump with bringer of light can just let him evade. and bringer light use will just make it harder to sense him
 
What’s Tsukishima’s answer to condensed mana zone? Cuz they’re speed equal atm but it’d be like this for speed
Bringer Light > normal Tsuki = normal Yami < mana zone < condensed mana zone
I’m giving a Yami argument but no one is responding to it
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Bringer Light > normal Tsuki = normal Yami < mana zone < condensed mana zone
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Binger Light is a massively higher multiplier towards Tsukishima's speed compared to mana zone in general.

People who are comparable in speed to other people can't perception blitz someone with mana zone while Bringer Light can and does as shown with Tsukishima's fight against Byakuya.

Condense Mana Zone would be comparable to Bringer Light but the problem with Condense Mana Zone is it isn't something that Yami instantly uses within a fight while Tsukishima spams the **** out've Bringer Light.

Basically the argument against Mana Zone/Condense Mana Zone is that 1 - Bringer Light is just a naturally higher speed amp compared to regular mana zone, which means Tsukishima could cut Yami before he brings out the condensed version of Mana Zone and 2 - It isn't something that Yami instantly pulls out in a fight.
 
Arkenis said:
Does he start off with Mana zone? And how wide does it cover? If it's not big then a simple jump with bringer of light can just let him evade. and bringer light use will just make it harder to sense him
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In the keys where he has Black Moon, he always starts with it
 
Arkenis said:
Does he start off with Mana zone? And how wide does it cover? If it's not big then a simple jump with bringer of light can just let him evade. and bringer light use will just make it harder to sense him
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Yeah, he most definitely starts with Mana Zone.

In fact, since Post TS began he has been spamming it in a fight.

So what does Bringer Light do? Apart from its effects, what it look like
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
What’s Tsukishima’s answer to condensed mana zone? Cuz they’re speed equal atm but it’d be like this for speed
Bringer Light > normal Tsuki = normal Yami < mana zone < condensed mana zone
I’m giving a Yami argument but no one is responding to it
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normal Yami < mana zone < condensed mana zone < Iai slash (condensed even further) < death thrust (condensed right into his arm)

And he can spam death thrust
 
From what I'm getting they're either relative or death thrust can blitz. My only issue is that with bringer it'll just be harder to sense Tsukishima which just helps evade death thrust since Yami has to aim it.
 
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