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I mean that just supports my point. Them taking forever to reach the bottom does not appear to be because of a transcendent difference in size itself but rather some other unknown(At least to me) esoteric properties. Also painting information inside singularity =/= singularity being a painting. We already know singularity consists of multiple realms that can be "painted" on, two of them being shown to us one being compared to paper(also containing the main multiverse) and the next being compared to a blank slate.We know it takes forever because of the godhead itself. If the taiji is the same then at most it takes a breath or so to reach the throne. But if even one taiji is off then you are going down places that won't lead u where you want to. Merc noted this with ren vs rein which already shows despite the difference in numbers not being hajun levels they won't reach the serpent at all. Hell Hajun is specifically bottomless if he clashes with another Hadou as no matter how long it takes Yato or anyone else will not reach it (He's the strongest god and thus with the way his power is its impossible to get to him head-on). Gudous can reach it because they are not clashing with the godhead as Yakou demonstrated (Doe because gudous are generally weaker anyway so yeah...). Also note that singularities because they are powered by the gods are essentially in the god's color so the god even painted the singularity which even DI notes how their color paints the information within that place.
From what I have gathered, both the singularity and the throne appear to rise when the cosmology is increased by the throne god. So from what it appears it always scales by some unknown factor to the current God's taikyoku. Maybe in Hajun's case it was such that the strongest attack from a Taikyoku 65(?) can destroy it.Mibu is the bottom of the relationship iirc so...From what I gathered what Mibu slashed to Hajun was not his strongest strike just a flash of his divine power but it did nothing to the throne as Hajun was still there only the souls clinging onto Hajun (which well made Hajun stronger lolz)
The throne is only there for the god to hold its weight as all of them could just snap creation from weight alone. Merc vs Rein's side affect was its destruction. All it did was have more areas but the thrones existence was still above that of creation and the singularity as a whole due to how one must use the singularity to reach that place being at its bottom (only if you even have the same taiji otherwise as mentioned above you're not reaching it).
Allright, but I don't think it matters much. The singularity in question there was Hajun's, which is already infinitely expanding by his nature. So applying quotes from there generally isn't exactly the best idea.That text is where Yakou iirc was trying to look at the gods prior to the current heaven.
I mean as I already said Taikyoku values being transcendences is also questionable, and if singularity size actually literally scaled to the taikyoku values then by the absolute law of the Shinza verse the lower god would not have been able to go through it even after it stopped getting powered by the god.that I think relates to the Gods’ standing is pretty much its “depth”.
The depth of the Singularity varies in accordance with the ruling deity’s law strength (Taikyoku/Taiji). As such, Singularities generated by a God with “higher” quality would be immeasurably “deeper” than those of lower quality, and therefore will not be “drilled” or “crossed” without adequate strength.
So the higher the gods are, the deeper their Singularity becomes, with each level being completely transcendental to the last, or perhaps a greater scale (as shown in the comparisons of Mercurius’and Hajun’s Singularities).
I mean that's fair but as I have pointed out, to get higher into 1-A you need some transcendence at least on the scale of getting from 10-B to 1-A in the first place. So Taikyoku can be as unsurmountable as it wants but that doesn't really help it's case much.With both how no law will affect the higher one and the fact that to reach the throne which one must bypass the singularity that is powered by said godhead it notes that u can't even challenge them properly and just get rekt at any practical point so you just fall because you won't even be able to have a match against them so there is a point to why its a transcendence. Shun kinda notes that you have to have a higher quality to "drill" in so it further shows that less taiji will never even reach the "bottom". Singularities can be generated by a clash of law but to reach that specific bottom is a completely different story.
Well calling it his "strongest slash" does kinda imply it's all he had.Mibu's law is simply to create the slashes and attacks that cut regardless of what he does so its not his strongest attack per say as its more to what he does by default casual or not. Again the story says its him exercising his divine power but it doesn't indicate it was all he had just that its all he can do.
Here it mentions the painting example again in where two colors of taiji clash so the world can't withstand it and a hole known as the singularity is made. With DI also mentioning this
The fact singularity is just part of creation and has to be dyed in the god's color is very noticeable to how the god just paints their hegemony onto anything nonstop. In DI here Machina notes the color of the information is used by the godhead. The added fact that the singularity would often be colorless like Yakou's taiji as the quote above that I mentioned previously also added how he had to increase his soul to be "deeper" and more powerful to keep going. One part of that also mentions that it is a plain space that goes on forever. A colorless taiji, neither medicinal nor poisonous, but simply existing. Also why wouldn't the singularity apply to the painting part when it was mentioned the god dyes it in their color while also being before one reaches the throne itself because the throne is the highest part last i checked and that was just used more as a way for the gods to not crush reality for only existing because otherwise nothing would be left from their sheer weight.
Such statements are also given for singularity and all. But we already know they are not above all forms of the singularity(Such as a "God powered" singularity) which the Hadou Gods are not above. The same could very well apply to the throne.I mean with everything we have it indicates how far 1 taiji can literally stray from the weaker god both in other ways
And sure I do have to point out it doesn't indicate its exclusive to Mibu who is one of the weaker gods (being 60 not 65) its just that he could do it and that his law would just make his strikes automatically cut smth due to how he is a living blade. We have points to how the throne is just smth a god would use only to make sure they sit right cuz without that pretty sure everything is out of the table (The quotes above should show that the throne is simply there for withstanding the weight of a god which isn't exclusive to just one god but a god that uses taiji).
The arguments are pretty vague, and explaining it being part of some "creation" of unknown scope or context still doesn't really address why the singularity is part of some "painting".The former is hadou which mentions it dominates all of creation while the latter is gudou which is inward letting it be outside of creation and detatched. This kinda shows the singularity is part of this creation. And iirc all concepts, phenomenon and laws came from the singularity which Yakou mentions are not even one were taiji:
There wasn't much point to the "chain of realms" per se. It was more so about how singularity is not part of some painting but instead holds structures that are "painted" on. Also the rest of that just supports my original point. The endless drilling is because of Taikyoku, not the increase in depth. Hence it cannot be used to prove an infinite difference. Whether Taikyoku values themselves are transcendences or not is not as relevant to the thread as we don't really index the number of layers something is into 1-A on the profiles(At least to my knowledge). The original intent is the High 1-A should be removed.What's the point of talking about the series of realms even? Like elaborate further cuz I'm not exactly seeing the point. The fact the god powers it up just means whether the challenger hadou can reach them or not. It can take a bit but if the challenger has no same taiji they will just fall endlessly and forever not being able to reach the throne. Hajun's is special in how his taiji just rises but it doesn't take away having a smaller taiji will result in nothing. The point of the quote is the singularity and all its info are painted in the god's color which means not even the singularity is extempt from this painting metaphor the gods are known for. I'm not sure about this point as it was already shown how the singularity is again powered by the god. I mean weaker gudous bypass it easily but that's only via not clashing with Hajun's law cuz as even the narration points out its practically impossible (Yato was already digging but wasn't getting much results anyway).
with downgrades or with the user saying he disagrees?I agree
Unfortunately Shinza has no staff really involved, ALRF, Warren and Monarch where the only ones and they have all left the wiki or just dont care.We need staff here
Just an observation, I'll be neutral until more arguments come up.is that just an observation or are you in agreement with the downgrade?
All of them tbh are expansion on the cosmology, but yeah it already proved there's some kind of system without including in Mercurius shenanigansBy Avesta news do you mean the stuff about Bahlavan or the stuff involving Mashyana or the Glossary section about the Multiverse?