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Yeah my bad, got driven for a bit with the debate about HajunAlso why is the Naraka being above Hajun relevant? That would just mean they’d rank above him. Hell they could be above the Taiji system itself, thats the problem is we dont really know and likely never will since it was scrapped.
I mean shit that can very easily just be summarised as PIS as it was happening literally so the plot could happen as iirc was a major point in the story in stopping Hajun’s Law from literally deleting everything.That has nothing to do with what we are talking about, the weight of Hajun law would nuke the universe by exiting but not Yato
My whole point is that "Hajun being like a god compared to Yato" is more of a hyperbole and not literal there before it's moot point to try and says Hajun infinity transcend Yato, when Yato even while weaked can slow down his law spread rate and push back after he regain his power
No thats just the weird qualities of Mercs powers, if it was implied he could do it to Peak Hajun then id agree but its never implied like that, its only said that Merc has a slim possibility of deleting the possibility of Powerless Child Hajun from becoming a God.You can cry about it all you want, fact is Hajun "someone with way more taikyou count" is still affected by Merc's law on Acausality level proofs that the taikyou isn't as absolute as this wiki make it out to be.
I can use other events such as Muzan injuring Hajun in a direct clash or Ren stopping their attack but since the usual "Panteon isn't out" excuse will come I won't bother. My point is that the whole taikyou system doesn't even seems to be within the author intent anymore, yet the wiki use it anyway because it serves their claims
Also nah, the Gods in the throne are the real deal brought back from the throne record by Naraka and it's Kouha's mission to copy them viz "pantehon" because the original gods can't leave because they are locked in a prison basically.also wasnt Hajun one of the Gods that couldnt be properly replicated so wasnt at 100%? Or was that something else.
Ah ok, I know there was something about a person not being able to fully summon some of the Gods I just couldn’t remember who.Also nah, the Gods in the throne are the real deal brought back from the throne record by Naraka and it's Kouha's mission to copy them viz "pantehon" because the original gods can't leave because they are locked in a prison basically.
Kouha can't replicates the top tiers Hadou gods like Hajun and Muzan therefore their copies would be nerfed by default
My dude I am not saying singularity>throne. I am saying these things are not static in tier and rise along with the godhead. it is entirely possible that Hajun's singularity > Mithra's throne.nothing really contradicts how the singularity works. Unless u are telling me the singularity > the throne which is ludicurious then this gets wacked as the throne isn't beyond this painting the gods can do. Literally there is no chance to get to the throne if one has to overpower the god as no one is able to challenge them. As in you won't ever have a chance in the first place.
Sleepy already pointed how the throne kinda works and using merc shennenigans doesn't disprove on how the cosmology works.
Deeper existence isn't vague because how Yakou can change the hierarchy of his soul so there is no vagueness to that.
Singularity is part of the painting and it all being part of the throne god's territory. Again this argument hinges that singularity > the throne when its not because the throne is at the "bottom" being above even that. I don't know why no one is reading rav's blog there are explainations to how this works. The first instance of never ending fall is already in DI in marie route for those who read the VN would know exists. "The depth of the Singularity varies in accordance with the ruling deity’s law strength (Taikyoku/Taiji). As such, Singularities generated by a God with “higher” quality would be immeasurably “deeper” than those of lower quality, and therefore will not be “drilled” or “crossed” without adequate strength - " as quoted here
That Merc erasing Hajun shit is borderline retconned.Hajun doesn't have infinite taikyou, this myth needs to die already.
Also he's not untouchable to other Hadou gods, since Yato can hold off his law and even pushing back once he surpass his old self
Merc also stated to have a chance at erasing Hajun from existence if he reach the throne
Yeah Hajun wasn't exactly focusing on Yato, and yes the chance Merc have at erasing Hjaun is very small however they can still defend themselves somewhat
This wiki seems to spread the idea that Hajun is untouchable being to other Hadou gods due to "taikyou"but this is simply false
It says that the removal of the Tumor itself greatly weakened Hajun allowing Ren to halt Hajun and allowed time for Suigin to activate his Eigo-Kaiki Law to retcon Hajun and remove traces of Hajun from attaining Godhood.波旬対怒りの日は、怒りの日では相打ちという結末へと到ったとの事ですが、一体どうやって相打ちまで行き着いたのでしょうか。
まず黄昏の覇道共存能力を壊されないというのが大前提。そのうえで覇吐の存在に気付くか気付かないかの差。
己の内界に対する殺意、破壊という波旬の渇望は黄金と似て非なるものなので、気付くとしたら彼でしょう。それによって黄昏が騎形嚢腫を抱きしめる(転生させる)ことで彼らを分離させられれば、波旬は大幅に弱体化します。ゆえにそれを成すまで刹那が時を止めて時間稼ぎ、だけどタイミング的に相討ちになってしまい、水銀がやり直しという構図です。神咒本編で示唆されていた水銀が最後まで残って云々というのも一つの方法ですが、たぶん無理でしょうね。
まず彼が黄金がらみで死に直結する行動を取ってしまうのは避けられないし、仮にそこをなんとかできても波旬が無傷で残っているのに回帰の理で押し流すのは些か以上に厳しい。可能性はゼロじゃなくても、天文学的確率。
The statement about Merc rectoning Hajun out of existence was in the flashback in the throne record to Hajun stomping everyone to earth, without his tumor Merc could fight him head onIt says that the removal of the Tumor itself greatly weakened Hajun allowing Ren to halt Hajun and allowed time for Suigin to activate his Eigo-Kaiki Law to retcon Hajun and remove traces of Hajun from attaining Godhood.
Never denied that, but it still existThe ending paragraph even says that the chances of Suigin performing that feat was astronomically close to zero.
Masada recton almost everytime he write a sequel it's annoyingHajun getting weakened by the removal of Tumor has been retconned in the Pantheon prologue.
I agree that Hajun's Taikyoku is not infinite since it constantly rises.@Chasekilleen
The statement about Merc rectoning Hajun out of existence was in the flashback in the throne record to Hajun stomping everyone to earth, without his tumor Merc could fight him head on
Never denied that, but it still exist
可能性はゼロじゃなくても、天文学的確率。
It literally says that "The chance it's not zero, however it's pretty close to it"
Masada recton almost everytime he write a sequel it's annoying
No lol what? It was explicitly stated they wouldn't have crossed it if it wasn't for Yato and the shit that spiraled down to Hajun downfallAs Red also pointed out, it's because Yato was facing Hajun's law directly or some shit. Gudou gods crossed it because they didn't have to do it.
Since when was this stated??without his tumor Merc could fight him head on
It's like Shinza fans from 3 years ago can't help but be worthless scums who have to put shoes in their mouth every time they open their holeThe statement you're talking about is severly out of context and you're pulling shit your ass. As a matter of fact, most people here are, no surprise though considering no one here finished Dies irae properly (you know yourself) or didn't read KKK but speaks as if he know every shit about it (again, you know yourself).
I was merely going off of what Red said, however that doesn't affect the main part of my argument. It may not exactly work like that, but them not being able to drill through the singularity clearly seems mainly because of the involvement of the throne god in some form or another.No lol what? It was explicitly stated they wouldn't have crossed it if it wasn't for Yato and the shit that spiraled down to Hajun downfall
I mean its not like people who don't know japanese can read KKK. It doesn't mean we cannot contest the information presented. If it's in an unknown language then the people who are knowledgeable should be willing to clarify doubts. Considering Masadaverse's status on the wiki it's bound many people will hype some things and misunderstand some things. The line between facts and hype gets blurred. It's bound to happen when untranslated stuff is allowed on the wiki.The statement you're talking about is severly out of context and you're pulling shit your ass. As a matter of fact, most people here are, no surprise though considering no one here finished Dies irae properly (you know yourself) or didn't read KKK but speaks as if he know every shit about it (again, you know yourself).
See, we seem to be in agreement. To the point I am not even sure why we are arguing. Since the Gods with lower taikyoku cannot cross the singularity when the ruling god is backing it, they clearly should not scale above it.All of these realms don't mean anything as the point is yes the gods need to overpower the deity to truly cross to the throne and nothing really contradicts this. It's part of the possession of the throne god which we also have to note that everything in creation is a part of said god anyway. Everything they paint over is a part of them by default and last i checked because they paint that setting with their color (taiji> throne >>>>> singularity as we know).
I srsly don't know where we are going with this because none of the realms inside the singularity are above the gods anyway. They fall endlessly as they can't reach the godhead at all with Yakou confirming the stronger the god the deeper it gets.
Hajun has nothing to do with DI as he didn't even exist back when Masada released the game, it's all shit that exist in KKK, which yeah most of us including me didn't get the chance to read it because it's so niche even in Japan we can't anyone to translate it. Otherwise we wouldn't have this shitshow where people act like trash cuz they read extra 30 hours of a VN in moon runes only
Meh, you can track back my comments record, I didn't attack or insult anyone or even used any harsh word.Zero, you've been told to stop.
You've been told to stop.If you gonna make defending Masada's chunni work your life mission then by all means ~
Wish you would do more with your passion than being an asshole about it though
I don't think we are on the same page here in some way cuz its just they cannot reach the throne yes. They can cross it but have to get to the deity otherwise would fall endlessly and never reach the god for not being the same taiji wouldn't let them challenge the godhead.See, we seem to be in agreement. To the point I am not even sure why we are arguing. Since the Gods with lower taikyoku cannot cross the singularity when the ruling god is backing it, they clearly should not scale above it.
This has already been discussed multiple times, its straight up listed as both Not Countable and Immeasurable not simply for ever rising its just to high for the Taiji system to properly understand however that is still not infinite so obviously anyone that says his Taiji is infinite are incorrect.Hajun's taikyouku isn't infinite. It is described as "constantly rising" which proves it is finite, but immeasurable as its always growing in number.