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Shaman King CRT (Part 1)

Livinmeme said:
Burden proof, you need to prove that the stars are ilusions not vice versa. If you claim something you need to give evidence
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That is not how we do things according to our rules. See the link that I provided previously. Pocket realities have to be proven to contain real stars, arguably even more so if they do not even need to function like the pyshical world.

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ProfessorKukui4Life said:
So, again, what about this then? ^

Not to pull the "other verses" card but verses like Bleach have their spiritual realms directly treated as being the same as the physical world instead of some illusions. And we have never treated a spiritual world as having their contents being illusions. So why are they the exception but not Shaman King?
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Bleach has only been proven to contain one spiritual universe as far as I am aware, which Shaman King has also been proven to contain. Low 2-C is not a problem here.
 
Anyway, I have to juggle dozens of other threads as well, and cannot continue to waste time here. As far as I and Bambu are concerned a definitive 2-B rating has been deemed unreliable, unless you can show explicit evidence that states outright that the oversoul contains a multiverse.
 
That isn't how they are currently treated right now. In Bleaches terms, the Soul Society and Hueco Mundo, both spiritually based realms, are both treated as actual universes like the world of the living, a physical universe.
 
Cyberblader90 said:
bleach actually is argued to have 3 universes, 2 of which are spiritual
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Okay. I was not involved in that though, but have to assume that it was properly proven that this was the case.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
That isn't how they are currently treated right now. In Bleaches terms, the Soul Society and Hueco Mundo, both spiritually based realms, are both treated as actual universes like the world of the living, a physical universe.
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Again, even if, hypothetically, Bleach is rated incorrectly, that does not mean that we should replicate those errors here. Several wrongs do not make a right, as I keep saying.
 
In any case, I REALLY don't have enough free time available to continue to humour you all here. Either find new and better evidence, or be satisfied with an "At least Low 2-C, likely higher" rating.
 
The same logic for the worlds in Shaman King is used for Bleach as well, though. Being treated as parallel to the real world, having stars present to show the size goes beyond the planet, and other such details to prove they are universe sized.

My earlier question was also never answered. When have we treated spiritual worlds as any different than physical ones?
 
I don't have the time available to continue to go around in circles here. My earlier statements still stand. 2-B will not be accepted by me without better explicit evidence for it. Sorry.

Please read the rules page that I linked to earlier, and try to follow it in the future, rather than rationalise why this should be an exception to the rule.
 
We aren’t trying to make this “an exception” but ask for an explanation on how this isn’t as explicit as you can get. I’ve given direct evidence and are met with frustratingly vague “not enough” claims.


We also have no standards that say spiritual realms are any different than physical worlds, so the reasons for rejecting this, with all due respect, just feel made up at the last second.
 
I am following our safety rules/standards regarding this and want explicit statements of every commune populated by sentient beings being the size of a full universe. That is all. Without that we do not have sufficient evidence. This is not vague in any manner, and continuing to pester me here in a war of attrition, while I also have many other important tasks to handle concurrently, is not going to get any results.
 
Yes, I know what you are requesting from us, and we provided the evidence to prove what you wanted us to give you.

What we ask is how they aren’t explicit. How showing a direct citation of mirroring our world, directly showing stars, isn’t explicit.

And we’ve given a explanation as to why the stars are real and not just some illusions. They’re based on our stars and these worlds are physical locations
 
Well, from what I recall of checking through the scans earlier, I did not see how they formed irrefutable reliable evidence without personal interpretation involved, but that is me, and I don't really have any more time to waste here.

Hopefully @AKM sama will be willing to help us out instead.
 
Antvasima said:
I am following our safety rules/standards regarding this and want explicit statements of every commune populated by sentient beings being the size of a full universe. That is all. Without that we do not have sufficient evidence. This is not vague in any manner, and continuing to pester me here in a war of attrition, while I also have many other important tasks to handle concurrently, is not going to get any results.
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this would make it objectively 2-b, not possibly. We are advocating for possibly
 
Well, "At least Low 2-C, possibly 2-B" would be much more reasonable, yes, given that the evidence is built on interpretation, not explicit statements.
 
Okay. I suppose that could be an acceptable compromise solution then.

Did any other staff members here agree with it?
 
I think that what we agreed about can probably be applied then.
 
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My bad about this, very busy couple of days so responding late.

Cyber and I are discussing a good write up for the Possibly 2-B justification to be put on Hao and the other's pages, as well as who can make a blog to compile all of the scans and such for the pages to link back to.
 
RIZEXX said:
Can any staff help out?
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Probably not. They are likely already busy with other tasks.
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
My bad about this, very busy couple of days so responding late.

Cyber and I are discussing a good write up for the Possibly 2-B justification to be put on Hao and the other's pages, as well as who can make a blog to compile all of the scans and such for the pages to link back to.
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Okay. No problem.
 
No problem.

I don't have the time to go through the linked long post myself though.
 
TLDR for my previous post.
1. I'd like to add 1 new ability for Hao(Supernatural Willpower) and 1 for every shaman(Empowerment).
2. I know we pretty much done for the AP but I wanted to add some small feats(the reason why I call it small is cause half of this CRT was talking about galaxy, universes, and multiverse for like half the CRT lol.)
3. I would like to talk about the durability feat for the 5 warriors for the Supernova feat.
4. I would want to add ONCE AGAIN lol, EVERY SHAMAN that DIED and CAME BACK to life after the final battle with Hao should get a "Likely Higher" on their final tiers. The reason for this is because of the Reactive Power Level ability with furyoku in the Shaman King verse.
5. I still need to get the scans for the databook but thats gonna be for another thread because at this point majority of the thread have already been talked about.
 
Okay. That seems reasonable to me. Thank you for the summary.
 
Okay. No problem. Thank you for helping out.
 
Can somebody give a proper explanation of what we need to do here please?

Also, how are your preparations going @Cyberblader90 ?
 
Well at this point the only points that I wanna talk about is 1 and 4. I’ll talk to Cyber and kukui about point 3, for point 2 I’ll do a calc request for it later on in the future. All we gotta do is just wait for Cyber and Kukui cosmology blog and I would like to talk about point 1 and 4 from my previous post and then you can close this Ant.
 
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