Shadow of the Rabbit Goddess

[DavidTPPM]

Eh, I have some gripes with this.

If Isshiki truly was billions of times stronger than Adult Naruto and Sasuke, you'd think that they'd just get completely atomized the moment Isshiki's physical attacks hit them. Especially considering Isshiki was actively trying to kill Sasuke for most of it. But not only did their bodies not getting totally dismantled and actually survive, Sasuke could also still fight despite being severely injured from the encounter, and getting injured further.

I think it's a bit too inconsistent to say that Isshiki is just that massively above them, and totally in a different tier of power when his strikes don't really put them out of commision.

Not only that, but I do remember Isshiki deeming it fit to dodge their attacks at several points of the fight.

Don't get me wrong, he is above them by quite a large margin. I just don't think it'd be by billions of times..

There's a few issues with this.

1. Isshiki was most likely holding back against Naruto and Sasuke. We see even Jigen could one shot their avatars which are far superior to their physical bodies. Meaning that, regardless of what tier you scale them to, Isshiki should be able to do far more damage than he did implying he's not trying his best. Or like Testarossa said, it's a ridiculous endurance feat.

2. This is a general issue with powerscaling. Take Juubidara for example. He's over 2 million times stronger than Juubito. Does that make any logical sense on paper? Nobody who's casually reading the manga will go "ah yes 1 rinnegan pre-GT Madara is TWO MILLION TIMES STRONGER THAN OBITO". And that's just how it always is, the gaps between in-universe characters usually only appear to be small but when you calc the feats it's suddenly in the thousands and millions and whatnot.
So a billion times gap may seem large but it really isn't.

3. That gap is only that big because the characters are already kinda lowballed for safety to begin with. It's not that 6 paths adult Naruto is exactly in the 3ish Zettaton range.
It's that he's AT LEAST x times stronger than fuses Momoshiki who is AT LEAST x times stronger than base Momoshiki who is AT LEAST relative to Kaguya who is AT LEAST as strong as a dying Hagoromo.

If 1 rinnegan pre-GT Juubidara can be 2 million times stronger than Juubito who's to say Kaguya can't be 2 million times stronger than old dying Hagoromo? And who's to say WA Kaguya can't be 2 million times stronger than Hagoromo fight Kaguya?

So in other words, to say the gap being large makes it an outlier would need evidence that Naruto and Sasuke cap at the values in their profiles. Which there's simply none. They don't cap at max 1.7 Zettatons, they're AT LEAST 1.7 Zettatons.

 

[Nierre]

If Isshiki truly was billions of times stronger than Adult Naruto and Sasuke, you'd think that they'd just get completely atomized the moment Isshiki's physical attacks hit them. Especially considering Isshiki was actively trying to kill Sasuke for most of it.

Sasuke and Naruto were already far outclassed by the likes of V2 Jigen to the point where their Kaiju forms were literally one-shot with ease and they both outright taking hits when getting sent flying, with Isshiki (as we currently accept), being leagues above the likes of V2 Jigen. Even if you ignore the upgrade, Isshiki would still be insanely higher than Naruto and Sasuke to the point where it's not even funny. As Test said it's a testament to Sasuke's endurance. Not every verse (and especially not one like Naruto), is going to have characters getting atomized or obliterated in a punch with a massive, massive gap.

Not only that, but I do remember Isshiki deeming it fit to dodge their attacks at several points of the fight.

Lol? Jigen literally stomped Naruto and Sasuke's Kaijus. Jigen even dodged Sasuke's Susano'o, are you saying that it was a threat to him? Isshiki casually blocks Naruto's Kurama attacks and blocks Sasuke's Chidori with ease. Just because characters dodge attacks that does NOT automatically mean that they were threatened by the attacks.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Base Naruto damaged Isshiki, ik it's offguard kinda and Naruto was prolly resolve amped to save Boruto, just wanted to mention

 

[DavidTPPM]

Just because characters dodge attacks that does NOT automatically mean that they were threatened by the attacks.

To add to this (since I forgor in my previous comment), Isshiki also straight up tanked hits from full power Baryon Mode Naruto while weakened BM Nard matched him. So regardless of whether he scales to tier 6 or tier 3 or anywhere in between, his durability massively outscales 6 paths Naruto and rinnegan Sasuke.
He probably dodged just to flex that he can or something lmao

 

[Nierre]

Base Naruto damaged Isshiki, ik it's offguard kinda and Naruto was prolly resolve amped to save Boruto, just wanted to mention

6Paths Naruto << Base Naruto ~< Isshiki < BM Naruto

It's obviously an off guard feat yeah. We didn't see a "!" or even see him turn around before getting whacked in the face with a kick.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

There's a few issues with this.

1. Isshiki was most likely holding back against Naruto and Sasuke. We see even Jigen could one shot their avatars which are far superior to their physical bodies. Meaning that, regardless of what tier you scale them to, Isshiki should be able to do far more damage than he did implying he's not trying his best. Or like Testarossa said, it's a ridiculous endurance feat.

2. This is a general issue with powerscaling. Take Juubidara for example. He's over 2 million times stronger than Juubito. Does that make any logical sense on paper? Nobody who's casually reading the manga will go "ah yes 1 rinnegan pre-GT Madara is TWO MILLION TIMES STRONGER THAN OBITO". And that's just how it always is, the gaps between in-universe characters usually only appear to be small but when you calc the feats it's suddenly in the thousands and millions and whatnot.
So a billion times gap may seem large but it really isn't.

3. That gap is only that big because the characters are already kinda lowballed for safety to begin with. It's not that 6 paths adult Naruto is exactly in the 3ish Zettaton range.
It's that he's AT LEAST x times stronger than fuses Momoshiki who is AT LEAST x times stronger than base Momoshiki who is AT LEAST relative to Kaguya who is AT LEAST as strong as a dying Hagoromo.

If 1 rinnegan pre-GT Juubidara can be 2 million times stronger than Juubito who's to say Kaguya can't be 2 million times stronger than old dying Hagoromo? And who's to say WA Kaguya can't be 2 million times stronger than Hagoromo fight Kaguya?

So in other words, to say the gap being large makes it an outlier would need evidence that Naruto and Sasuke cap at the values in their profiles. Which there's simply none. They don't cap at max 1.7 Zettatons, they're AT LEAST 1.7 Zettatons.

I guess it does kinda make sense when you put it like that. But multiple times of billions is still quite a large number to justify them not outright dying from the encounter.

But alright.