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Sergio Bonelli Comics Discussion Thread

SamanPatou said:
But wasn't Dylan about to say "Quello sta per sparare?" Why he should've said that if he didn't know that he had a gun, or at least supposed so, since he clearly had bad intentions.
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we don't know if he was going to say "sta per sparare", he could have been saying "sta per scappare", given how the guy turned around, or he could be saying something about the sleeping gas cannister the guy is holding and Dylan actually knows about
SamanPatou said:
But if Dylan was actually so fast to dodge the bullets, he consequently shot almost immediately, and the other guy should have had really good reactions to hide behind a wall, because the entire thing should have happened in a very short timeframe.
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The assassin is like a top tier CIA spy, it's not that far fetched to say he'd have that kind of reaction time
SamanPatou said:
On the other points I think that the scene is open to different interpretations (and I wouldn't exclude wonky timing of the action) but previous knowledge and distance can greatly change the outcome of the feat. (granted, I consider your stance valid, since that's what happens in the scene after all).
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What ultimately sells me about my interpretation is the whole pannel dedicated just to the guy shooting right before the one in which Dylan ducks. Why show that pannel as separate if you wanted to show Dylan ducking before the gunshots? Doesn't make any sense to me.
 
Makes sense, the truth might be in the middle, though, if we determine some sort of distance. I wonder if it bests Dark's feat.
Also, it's due his broken probability manip, I've just seen the blog updates.
 
It definitely does, the Bodeo is a very shitty handgun in terms of muzzle speed and these guys are closer, nevermind that the movement made is way bigger.
 
Who cares, at the end of the day finding and calcing feats is pointless, if no-one evaluates them.

Please don't tell the rest of the staff I said this.
 
Oh yeah, I think it might. Not sure, either way they're very close.
 
Either way they're 2 meters apart instead of 4.7 or whatever it was, would totally be higher
 
So there's nothing after the big flash? He just survived the meteor off-screen without explanations? And the whole world? How did they fix everything? Wasn't the planet turned into a post-apocalyptic wasteland, as the writer said?
 
SamanPatou said:
So there's nothing after the big flash? He just survived the meteor off-screen without explanations? And the whole world? How did they fix everything? Wasn't the planet turned into a post-apocalyptic wasteland, as the writer said?
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nothing after the flash, in the next volume Dylan is in his home, the planet is wrecked and everyone but him and Groucho died. Dylan kills Tiz and everything goes back to normal but Dylan is rebooted, has a new origin story and a new sidekick
 
Twellas said:
nothing after the flash, in the next volume Dylan is in his home, the planet is wrecked and everyone but him and Groucho died. Dylan kills Tiz and everything goes back to normal but Dylan is rebooted, has a new origin story and a new sidekick
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I don't know who Tiz is, but everything sounds lame, especially when the reboot has been de-booted after 10 issues or what, making all the plot building of the past years pointless.
 
Also, I love that InfiniteDay guy who goes around approving calcs without having the authority to do so. (He didn't approve just the DD one).

Edit: Oh, right, Tiz, Tiziano, makes sense.
 
I just realized that Dylan might actually have Mid-Godly and immunity to soul manip because Hicks mentions that the soul is the first thing that disappears once you join the zone
 
Moral of the story is I made some DD and Dhampyr calcs, and Dylan Dog is ******* busted, we already found Low 2-C and 2-A evidence and some crazy hax for him
 
JESUS, THAT'S AWESOME

When I read Dylan Dog I never imagined he went to that level. I mean, I expected some great hax, but not that. I expected him to be something along the lines of Human to Street physique with some absurd powers behind him.
 
SamanPatou said:
I know, I know, I don't where are you in Brazil with the issues, but here in Italy we are at 723, without account all the other side-series, like specials, maxi, color etc...
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Hmmm, I'm not sure how many editions have been published here, but from what I know, Tex is exceedingly popular here in Brazil. In fact, I've read somewhere that it is just as popular here as it is in Italy.
 
Armorchompy said:
We also have a profile for a random-ass Zagor villain, lol
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Oooooh man, I created that one several years ago. I really should re-make Zagor stuff.

Also, I'm a bit conflicted about creating profiles... Should I create more of them? I mean, I feel inadequate creating a Tex profile with feats only from Tex Gold up to #30, considering he has several hundreds if not more than a thousand issues of other series. Ik it isn't really feasible to try to read everything before creating a single profile, it feels VERY weird doing that, lol.
 
Twellas said:
oh btw, here's Dylan dodging a point blank bullet, only to then march forward against his opponent, ignoring the fact he's being shot at only to then tank 2 more bullets and stab a guy with a knife he was holding in his mouth. This is what a bloodlusted Dylan looks like and it's ******* awesome, some Wolverine shit right here
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That's awesome. I never knew Dylan Dog was so metal, lol.

All issues I've read were more about the more horror, dream logic-esque Dylan. My favorite ones were the crossover with Martin Mystére, the End of the World, and the one Dylan fought against the Horror, a nightmarish being that brutally killed anyone he perceived as unpolite, and the whole thing was just... My mind to this day isn't sure what was real and what wasn't.
 
I think you'd have to translate some of your Tex stuff, to start. I know you're against them, but it'd be preferable to get some calcs too.
 
Armorchompy said:
I think you'd have to translate some of your Tex stuff, to start. I know you're against them, but it'd be preferable to get some calcs too.
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Translating them, I'll do gladly, but calcing... I feel dubious. Maybe if something good appears, but even then...
 
Armorchompy said:
The virgin Dylan Dog

- Gods are High 1-A because they're self-conscious and lame, hiding away from their bullies in a higher plane of reality

- Protagonist hides behind a crummy pistol, too afraid to fight like a man

- Cosmic Horror? Brain hurty where's the punching

- Doesn't have Thunderman

The chad Zagor

- Gods are probably tier 7 cause of environmental damage at best

- Protagonist smashes people into furniture like a MAN

- Punch = Good

- Has Thunderman
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Y E S
 
EliminatorVenom said:
Lol, that's great. Maybe we could consider that as an electrical discharge, like that of a taser, instead of a cloud-to-earth bolt?
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Nah, it's magic, better not to use that at all.
EliminatorVenom said:
Translating them, I'll do gladly, but calcing... I feel dubious. Maybe if something good appears, but even then...
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I can do the calcs, you just gotta give me scans.
 
Speaking of calculations... the Dylan Dog floor bust got 9-A. That feels very outliery imo, though I used steel for the floor as you (Twellas) said, if I use concrete, which is better imo, it gives a more believable 9-B result
 
SamanPatou said:
I've always been curious about those stories of Tex and Zagor.
They are apparently grounded comics, and then magicians and monsters appear, especially with the second, who goes after zombies, aliens, robots and more.
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Yeah, it is just like how Armor said. Tex is really grounded. 95% of the stories are incredibly realistic, aside from how physically imposing (and inhumanly skilled) some characters are, and even then, it's usually quite tame. Tex, the character, is quite notable in-universe exactly because of how inhumanly skilled he is. Supernatural forces exist, but they are usually treated as incredibly obscure and thaumaturgic in functionality, and mostly limited to illusionism, hypnosis, alchemy and manipulation of emotions. There are some monsters and anachronisms, but again, they are very rare (Except for dinosaurs, Tex has fought against them twice. But c'mon, who doesn't want dinos in their western?).

Zagor however... Isn't. Granted, he still has quite a fair share of more realistic stories, about 40% of the stories are realistic, I'd say. But Zagor is chock-full of magic, high-tech stuff and the like. Not common enough to be known to most people, but Zagor lives in such a way that he keeps finding such things quite commonly. One of the most remarkable stories was when he, along 8 heroes from several other stories (even when they were only side characters) united in a magical journey to another plane, to fight several evil manifestations of otherwise good entities of the traditional native folklore, and Zagor ends up fighting Wendigo, the concept of evil incarnate. Surprisingly, Wendigo was quite weak for a Zagor villain. Hellingen however had some absurd feats, like warping the reality of the universe to a minor degree, breaking the moon and rebuilding it, and generally distorting reality and causality. Zagor still PAUNCHed him.

A good example I like to give when comparing the two is that a crossover between them is impossible. They live in different ages, and it is easy to imagine Zagor going on a time machine or something to meet Tex, but such a thing is impossible in Tex's universe.

Another example is that Tex, once, when incredibly motivated, managed to grab someone by the leg and spun them over his head, slamming them on the ground. Zagor did that too. But with a KANGAROO. And he was just playing with the kangaroo. And the kangaroo was a boxer, too.
 
Okay, read the whole thread, sorry for spamming, but this has been a very fun thing to read and I wanted to comment on it.

I'll make a blog post and put there Tex's most notable feats. It'll take a long while, of course, and due to irl things I'll update it sparingly, but I will. I'll try to make one for Zagor too, since those two are the ones I know the most about.
 
No problem for the spamming, I really appreciated your replies, as well as being interesting, I didn't imagine Zagor was that absurd.
Seeems that at the end of tehe day, Harlan (Dampyr) is the less crazy, lol (aside from Tex, obv).
 
Out of curiosity, Venom, do you have any clue what Diabolik is? I'm curious to hear if he's popular in Brazil too.
 
SamanPatou said:
No problem for the spamming, I really appreciated your replies, as well as being interesting, I didn't imagine Zagor was that absurd.
Seeems that at the end of tehe day, Harlan (Dampyr) is the less crazy, lol (aside from Tex, obv).
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Yeah, Zagor is crazy. Certainly 9-B in base, and with several keys and artifacts that allows him to do stuff way above his paygrade.

One thing I like about Tex is that, as far as I remember reading, he doesn't have resistance to fear or mind manipulation (I don't doubt he has, in fact he probably does have it, but not that I've seen it), he just "resists" illusions, mind trickery and fear inducement out of so much experience fighting those guys that he just focuses on the fact that nothing there is real, and using some trickery to make them ineffective, like nullifying the effect of a visual illusion by improvising a blindfold.

Armorchompy said:
Out of curiosity, Venom, do you have any clue what Diabolik is? I'm curious to hear if he's popular in Brazil too.
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Yes, I know Diabolik and I've seen one or two issues, but I don't think it is as popular here as Tex and Zagor are? At least, I've never seen anyone with a Diabolik collection. Still, it was known enough to be marketed in the cover of other Bonelli comics, as in being sold here as well, so maybe it's just my case.

Also, just remembered that Zagor once had an edition that he traveled to Brazil and fought with brazilian criminals. I'll try to reread it, it was so good.
 
Armorchompy said:
Speaking of calculations... the Dylan Dog floor bust got 9-A. That feels very outliery imo, though I used steel for the floor as you (Twellas) said, if I use concrete, which is better imo, it gives a more believable 9-B result
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Yeah it's fine, go with concrete
Armorchompy said:
Nah, it's magic, better not to use that at all.
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I still mention it on the profile because even if we say that the bolt was just as fast as, like, a thrown rock, it would still be a good feat given the distance
 
EliminatorVenom said:
All issues I've read were more about the more horror, dream logic-esque Dylan. My favorite ones were the crossover with Martin Mystére, the End of the World, and the one Dylan fought against the Horror, a nightmarish being that brutally killed anyone he perceived as unpolite, and the whole thing was just... My mind to this day isn't sure what was real and what wasn't.
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TBF, Dylan isn't consistently this pissed/strong, this is the only instance I can think of when he was straight up bloodlusted, that's why you never see him do that kind of stuff in other issues
 
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