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Sergio Bonelli Comics Discussion Thread
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Sorry for my absence, was dealing with some irl stuff, but wow, I really like those Dampyr feats. Ought to read it sometime...
Fun things: If we take covers at face value, Zagor may or may not have fought the Grinch and Santa Claus. Maybe. Frankly that wouldn't be the craziest thing that man has faced. Zagor really has a rogues gallery worthy of golden age Batman comics...
On the two Tex scans I mentioned that may be worth of calculating, here they are, although I'll need to upload a better version of them. (It's an old upload of mine, sorry)
Tex pushing Kit Carson out of a bullet's way and him weaving through some bullets. Both are arguable but, eh, still interesting. Text shouldn't be needed but I can provide.
Also, I won't lie: This is one of my favorite threads to ever appear in the history of most sites. I really like researching this stuff with people that appreciate it. Thank you guys!
Fun things: If we take covers at face value, Zagor may or may not have fought the Grinch and Santa Claus. Maybe. Frankly that wouldn't be the craziest thing that man has faced. Zagor really has a rogues gallery worthy of golden age Batman comics...
On the two Tex scans I mentioned that may be worth of calculating, here they are, although I'll need to upload a better version of them. (It's an old upload of mine, sorry)
Tex pushing Kit Carson out of a bullet's way and him weaving through some bullets. Both are arguable but, eh, still interesting. Text shouldn't be needed but I can provide.
Also, I won't lie: This is one of my favorite threads to ever appear in the history of most sites. I really like researching this stuff with people that appreciate it. Thank you guys!
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First one is probs aimdodging, the dude's gun isn't out in the panel before the shot, so Tex likely reacted to that. Second one is however really good and can totally be used
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Don't worry for the absence, no one here is in hurry. Also, if you're interested I have a sandbox where I gather some Dampyr feats (some of them are badly scanned, I discovered today that my phone's camera is better than the scanner app).
And about people fighting Santa Claus... (none of these are in official issues, though)
And about people fighting Santa Claus... (none of these are in official issues, though)
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That's epic. I'll check it out for sure! (Dampyr apparently has several bullet dodging feats and one or two scattered mentions of lightspeed/near lightspeed... Do you think that's just hype/invalid or actually usable?)
To my unmeasured sadness, Zagor didn't actually fight Santa Claus and the Grinch. He only fought several bandits disguised as Santa Claus that rob people's christmas present.
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Yes, I know that's just as unlikely but-
To my unmeasured sadness, Zagor didn't actually fight Santa Claus and the Grinch. He only fought several bandits disguised as Santa Claus that rob people's christmas present.
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Yes, I know that's just as unlikely but-
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I think it's usable, not only it was stated two times that they can fly near the speed of light, but the Ameshas (the angel-like aliens) are stated hundreds of times to make use of light as their power, they blind people when they turn in their true form and their own light, when intense enough, has the same effect of solar light, i.e. burns undeads (non-natural vampires) and harms the masters.
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Something I may need to note on Tex's profile: Usually, he's in the Peak Human to Superhuman speed range, but can be pressured to higher speeds either due to circumstance or if he tries to go all-out.
That is clearly shown in "The Duel". A gunman named Ruby Scott challanges Tex to a duel, but Ruby is not only extremely quick in the draw, but he has a custom holster that allows him to shoot without even unholstering his gun. Tex is initially defeated by him, and is put near-death. Out of sheer will, despite the pain and bloodloss, after receiving the initial treatment, he gets up and challenges the man again. This time, he goes all out, and despite being clearly debuffed by his bloodloss and exhaustion, and drawing with his left hand (He's right-handed), he beats Ruby.
Which is consistent. He's usually much quicker than his foes, but still relatively normal people can tag him, especially in melee combat, although with a lot of difficulty and usually only by mobbimg him.
That is clearly shown in "The Duel". A gunman named Ruby Scott challanges Tex to a duel, but Ruby is not only extremely quick in the draw, but he has a custom holster that allows him to shoot without even unholstering his gun. Tex is initially defeated by him, and is put near-death. Out of sheer will, despite the pain and bloodloss, after receiving the initial treatment, he gets up and challenges the man again. This time, he goes all out, and despite being clearly debuffed by his bloodloss and exhaustion, and drawing with his left hand (He's right-handed), he beats Ruby.
Which is consistent. He's usually much quicker than his foes, but still relatively normal people can tag him, especially in melee combat, although with a lot of difficulty and usually only by mobbimg him.
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That's also a very good stamina and skill feat.
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By the way folks, I'll give this little tip for looking for feats just in case it's not known- if there's any feats such as ripping body parts or crushing stuff, it gets incredibly high results- Ripping out a spine Sub-Zero style is Class K.
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Unfortunately I only remember heads being crushed like eggs and a neck being snapped with a single hand (but who knows what I'll find in the future).
The spine rip is really specific, because all the spine must come out, not only the head (stupid physics).
The spine rip is really specific, because all the spine must come out, not only the head (stupid physics).
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I think head-crushing and neck snapping are really good too, though. I'm too lazy to find an example but I think neck snapping is like, class 50? i dunno
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My bad, then.
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Casually dropping planet level statements. Though, said energy was used only to immediately teleport a huge army back from a universe to another, without indication that that civilization (what humans know as hell) can use it for destructive means.
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I dunno if draining the energy of a planet is planet level anyway, actually.
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Right, it's actually 3-B (according to Dragon Ball)
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That's very interesting (and brutal)
Finished reading the 60 Tex issues I had a while ago, and now started Zagor. First few pages of the first issue already had Chico, Zagor's comic relief companion, being struck by lightning and surviving.
My expectations go higher and higher!
Finished reading the 60 Tex issues I had a while ago, and now started Zagor. First few pages of the first issue already had Chico, Zagor's comic relief companion, being struck by lightning and surviving.
My expectations go higher and higher!
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Once, that'd have been High 8-C. Luckily that doesn't scale to normal dura anymore.
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Looks like a miss to me yeah, there's motion lines indicating he drew and shot in the same frame, while there's none that indicate Harlan dodged.
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Oh yeah, even if we still counted, I would consider it something more intended as comedy or an outlier. Chico is usually beaten up by everyone, even small kids and small dogs frequently overpower him.
Still, strangely, Chico does survive a lot of weird stuff. He has been shot out of a cannon, hit by people even stronger than Zagor, took ridiculously big fallls... it just seems that he still receives damage from the little things.
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Chico vs Groucho would be one hell of a crossover.
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Minor Toon Force?
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Their conversation would be so bad people would die from hearing it. Groucho with his outrageously bad puns and Chico recounting the tales of glory from his ancestors.
Probably. I'll read more before confirming anything, but it does seem like it.
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Armor, did you say that holding to something during a fall is a good LS feat, right?
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Yeah, more evidence for peak human/superhuman.
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This may be good, but not class K, I think.
This also seems a good LS feat. It happens in an illusion, but that is a projection of Harlan's vampire side (as that story is about the MCs facing their evil sides), then I think it's reasonable to say that he can do the same in his vampire form.
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Man you gotta put together the stuff I gotta calc I've totally lost track lol
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I mean, there's no need to calc everything, just what seems more impressive. I'll update the feat sandbox later.
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Whistling 7-C/Low 7-B Nyarlathotep (this doesn't cale to anyone but himself, of course).
I also put some order in the feat sandbox, it should be easier to find what's worth calcing.
I also put some order in the feat sandbox, it should be easier to find what's worth calcing.
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Don't think it can be calced, we have no reference for the size of those things or the kind of destruction we'd get.
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There are many panels of characters going around the city, maybe a can get a shot useful to get the size of some building, but I doubt it could be used anyway.
Disappointed eldritch horror noises
Disappointed eldritch horror noises
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I mean, I can just use frag. Also, what is it made of?
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The panel says that it has towers made of basalt, which seems consistent with the rock-ish appearance of some buildings, while others look like they're made of wood.
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Btw, the door calc has been accepted.
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nice
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Strange. I've returned to tackle Zagor comics, and I discovered that, at least in Brazil, editions were separated by different publishers. So, there are like, 55 issues published under Record, 60 more under Globo, and so on. Sometimes they republish some of the more popular or important stories (Such as Guitar Jim and Origin of Zagor), and chronology is a bit wonky, but usually it works all out.
Funnily enough, at least in the earlier stories, Zagor was way different than later portrayals. He was still good-natured, a staunch fighter for justice and equality, courageous and kind, but he was also prone to violence with minimal provocation, had quite the god complex (With severe grandiosity issues) and was even a bit immature. I found that really weird, since Zagor, in most stories, is a very swell, thoughtful dude. He was always hot-headed and very playful in contrast to, say, Tex, but early on he is much more of a jerk about it.
Also, later Zagor wouldn't ever mistreat an animal unless absolutely necessary. Early Zagor beat the snuff out of a kangaroo because the kangaroo kicked Chico's butt.
Funnily enough, at least in the earlier stories, Zagor was way different than later portrayals. He was still good-natured, a staunch fighter for justice and equality, courageous and kind, but he was also prone to violence with minimal provocation, had quite the god complex (With severe grandiosity issues) and was even a bit immature. I found that really weird, since Zagor, in most stories, is a very swell, thoughtful dude. He was always hot-headed and very playful in contrast to, say, Tex, but early on he is much more of a jerk about it.
Also, later Zagor wouldn't ever mistreat an animal unless absolutely necessary. Early Zagor beat the snuff out of a kangaroo because the kangaroo kicked Chico's butt.
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Wow, I really didn't expect it, but that seems really interesting, considering the character change.
And despite everything, it sounds like he was a complex character, more like an antihero that has grown up later (I don't know for in-story reasons or due to different authors).
And despite everything, it sounds like he was a complex character, more like an antihero that has grown up later (I don't know for in-story reasons or due to different authors).
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Yeah. I do wonder that too. I think it's a bit unintentional but it does make sense. Zagor ends up maturing more after some of his more tragic stories.
Contrast to, say, Tex, who is already emotionally mature and stable (and older) than Zagor even at the earliest point of his series, and while he has indeed evolved (most notably after his wife's death), any changes that Tex suffers only happens over the course of hundreds of comics. Zagor, in comparison, is already quite changed in a few dozens of issues.
As a sidenote, speaking of tragic stories, I'm really anxious to get to The End of the World (Fun fact: One of the best Bonelli crossovers also had that title, Mystére and Dylan), which we could say is the Infinite Crisis/Infinity War of Zagor, with a story arc spanning three comics and with plots gathered from most of the comics published until that point. I've read it before, but out of order, and not only it had some of the craziest feats (People destroying the moon, warping the entire universe, some very serious time warpery) but it was by far one of the most emotional ones. Even as a kid I was shook by the stugg.
Which remembers me, apparently all Bonelli's comics take place within the same 'verse, but in different universes or timelines. Not necessarily all of them happen in different universes (Dylan Dog and Martin Mystére, most notably, take place within the same universe and they both have met each other several times, and I think, I'm not sure, that Dampyr and Mister No also share the same universe as DD), but apparently some future Dylan Dog series, either a comic or TV series, will explore interactions with different characters of different universes. I don't have the link to where that was stated right now, but I do remember seeing that distinctly.
Contrast to, say, Tex, who is already emotionally mature and stable (and older) than Zagor even at the earliest point of his series, and while he has indeed evolved (most notably after his wife's death), any changes that Tex suffers only happens over the course of hundreds of comics. Zagor, in comparison, is already quite changed in a few dozens of issues.
As a sidenote, speaking of tragic stories, I'm really anxious to get to The End of the World (Fun fact: One of the best Bonelli crossovers also had that title, Mystére and Dylan), which we could say is the Infinite Crisis/Infinity War of Zagor, with a story arc spanning three comics and with plots gathered from most of the comics published until that point. I've read it before, but out of order, and not only it had some of the craziest feats (People destroying the moon, warping the entire universe, some very serious time warpery) but it was by far one of the most emotional ones. Even as a kid I was shook by the stugg.
Which remembers me, apparently all Bonelli's comics take place within the same 'verse, but in different universes or timelines. Not necessarily all of them happen in different universes (Dylan Dog and Martin Mystére, most notably, take place within the same universe and they both have met each other several times, and I think, I'm not sure, that Dampyr and Mister No also share the same universe as DD), but apparently some future Dylan Dog series, either a comic or TV series, will explore interactions with different characters of different universes. I don't have the link to where that was stated right now, but I do remember seeing that distinctly.
