Self-evident intelligence revisions thread

[Antvasima]

Quilge Opie is confirmed as the combat instructor of the Sternritter, does this bump up his intelligence?

It seems like combat intelligence, at least with only limited information available.

What would Yagyu's intelligence be based on these screenshots of her thought process:

Please summarise her feats.

 

[Antvasima]

The White Queen
The description mentions what's necessary for a ranking.

The

part seems like it should justify Extraordinary Genius. Like, much better than anyone else in absolutely everything in a world slightly superior to real life Earth technologically should be enough, I think?

Here's the original quote from Volume 7 Stage 3 Part 4.
That she can process so much information that a human brain would be destroyed in an attempt to process it helps as well. That should be about outperforming a supercomputer level.

That seems fine to me, yes.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Thx Ant

 

[Antvasima]

Would like these intelligence feats added to Darth Vader's page:
Canon:

• Breaks a code in seconds that would've taken Doc Aphra hours DV #3
• Attempts to trick Leia into leading him to Luke, though she sees through his plan DV 14
• Repairs his suit telekinetically DLoS #6
• Repairs and modifies his lightsaber DLoS #12
• Tricks a plague-master into revealing himself SWA:R #5
• Modifies a droid so that if it reveals information it will self-destruct DVII #1

Legends:

• Outskills two Jedi Knights at once, responding to their attempts at style alteration with his own style borrowing elements from all techniques of combat, making his moves unpredictable TRoDV
• Galen describes Vader as incorporating many different fighting styles TFUn
• Description of Vader's lightsaber - a thick, ridged handgrip, high-output diatium power cell, dual-phase focusing crystal, and forward-mounted adjustment knobs TRoDV

Feel free to do so.

 

[Antvasima]

Thx Ant

No problem.

 

[Antvasima]

After reviewing Ayanokouji's intelligence rating.i have some doubts.
From mountain of words the only feats which is referring to his intelligence part are these.

Extraordinary genius can be attain by 4 possible means
1.capable of creating extremely advanced futuristic technology.
2.executing complex strategies even under high pressure.
3.Outperforming supercomputers.
4.predicting the future through sheer mental calculations.

And the given description of his intelligence may come in 2nd point but it's less likely, due to the nature of those feats.

What do you guys think?

Well, Extraordinary Genius does not require those specific feats. They are just examples. It does start clearly higher than real world human maximum levels though.

 

[Antvasima]

Are any of the members here willing to apply what I accepted above please?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Feel free to do so.

The page is still locked though, that's why I'm asking

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Please summarise her feats.

It's right in the imgur, it's only a few images, just look at it, I shouldn't need to summarize

 

[Antvasima]

The page is still locked though, that's why I'm asking

I have unlocked it for you. Tell us here when you are done please.

It's right in the imgur, it's only a few images, just look at it, I shouldn't need to summarize

I began to browse through the 23 images, but found it boring roughly halfway after nothing relevant seemed to happen, so a summary of any feats within there would be better.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I have unlocked it for you. Tell us here when you are done please.

Does it affect his intelligence rating?

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

After reviewing Ayanokouji's intelligence rating.i have some doubts.
From mountain of words the only feats which is referring to his intelligence part are these.

Extraordinary genius can be attain by 4 possible means
1.capable of creating extremely advanced futuristic technology.
2.executing complex strategies even under high pressure.
3.Outperforming supercomputers.
4.predicting the future through sheer mental calculations.

And the given description of his intelligence may come in 2nd point but it's less likely, due to the nature of those feats.

What do you guys think?

The Intelligence page states that "at this level, many are capable of" achieving those four types of feat. They are four signs, not the only four possible qualifications in the way you're implying they are. If a character has one of those types of feats, then chances are, they qualify for Extraordinary Genius, but if they don't, then it doesn't necessarily mean they're blocked from getting the rank, even if they would only be at the baseline of the rank due to a lack of evidence.

The idea that Ayanokouji's intelligence rating should be decreased isn't self-evident. Ayanokouji is portrayed as a genius among geniuses whose intelligence surpasses what should be possible realistically, and he is knowledgeable about many important topics. This aligns with what the VS Battles Wiki identifies as an Extraordinary Genius: "Individuals whose knowledge spreads over multiple fields of science and who vastly surpass the real world's upper human limits." If I were familiar with Classroom of the Elite, I would probably be able to explain it better, but I've seen discussions where his rank is called into question and I'm familiar with ranking intelligence enough for me to believe that his rank makes sense.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

The Intelligence page states that "at this level, many are capable of" achieving those four types of feat. They are four signs, not the only four possible qualifications in the way you're implying they are. If a character has one of those types of feats, then chances are, they qualify for Extraordinary Genius, but if they don't, then it doesn't necessarily mean they're blocked from getting the rank, even if they would only be at the baseline of the rank due to a lack of evidence.

The idea that Ayanokouji's intelligence rating should be decreased isn't self-evident. Ayanokouji is portrayed as a genius among geniuses whose intelligence surpasses what should be possible realistically, and he is knowledgeable about many important topics. This aligns with what the VS Battles Wiki identifies as an Extraordinary Genius: "Individuals whose knowledge spreads over multiple fields of science and who vastly surpass the real world's upper human limits." If I were familiar with Classroom of the Elite, I would probably be able to explain it better, but I've seen discussions where his rank is called into question and I'm familiar with ranking intelligence enough for me to believe that his rank makes sense.

If that's the case then ig it's should be it.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Just a question: Is mastering 8000 sword styles an extraordinary genius in combat feat?

For context, the character in particular who did this scales in sword skill above two extraordinary geniuses who claimed to have done the same feat. It is noted that they are older than them, but they narratively scale above them in terms of skill. They also have extensive knowledge and mastery of every other ability in their race's pool too, so it's not just swordsmanship, but also magic (kinda).

Also, would a character massively superior to them in skill also be an extraordinary genius in combat as well?

 

[HorrorHistory]

Based off of his feats, John Kramer should be Extraordinary Genius. My reasons are because he’s shown to consistently outsmart and evade the law enforcement for a long time, even those who are considered to be highly trained and professional agents. He’s always thinking 10 steps ahead of everyone, which allows him to manipulate and deceive people around him. He also has extreme skills in human psychology, as he’s able to easily predict the moves of his victims. He even comments on that in Saw V, when he quotes “If you're good at anticipating the human mind, it leaves nothing to chance.” That’s also further established in Jigsaw (2017).

• Like how he knew Anna killed her baby and framed her husband by accusing him of suffocating the baby.
• And how he would've needed to have been a firsthand witness to the crash to know that Ryan's story was false.
• Also the blonde girl who stole from the athsmatic lady, he discovered the exact amount of money that was in her purse and even knew who did it.

Just a reminder that there were no witnesses to any of these crimes, except that he lived right next door to Anna. Even after he died, he masterminded multiple different events and games, and was able to deceive the public, even though he was dead. He’s also obviously a civil engineer, and can contrast highly advanced machines and traps with a complex set of rules. The movie taglines even said something along the lines of, "He is everyone. He is everywhere. He is everything.” or something like that. Some of the qualifications for Extraordinary Genius are “accurately predicting the future through sheer mental calculations.” and “executing complex strategies even under high pressure.”

 

[Antvasima]

Just a question: Is mastering 8000 sword styles an extraordinary genius in combat feat?

For context, the character in particular who did this scales in sword skill above two extraordinary geniuses who claimed to have done the same feat. It is noted that they are older than them, but they narratively scale above them in terms of skill. They also have extensive knowledge and mastery of every other ability in their race's pool too, so it's not just swordsmanship, but also magic (kinda).

Also, would a character massively superior to them in skill also be an extraordinary genius in combat as well?

I think so, yes.

 

[Antvasima]

Based off of his feats, John Kramer should be Extraordinary Genius. My reasons are because he’s shown to consistently outsmart and evade the law enforcement for a long time, even those who are considered to be highly trained and professional agents. He’s always thinking 10 steps ahead of everyone, which allows him to manipulate and deceive people around him. He also has extreme skills in human psychology, as he’s able to easily predict the moves of his victims. He even comments on that in Saw V, when he quotes “If you're good at anticipating the human mind, it leaves nothing to chance.” That’s also further established in Jigsaw (2017).

• Like how he knew Anna killed her baby and framed her husband by accusing him of suffocating the baby.
• And how he would've needed to have been a firsthand witness to the crash to know that Ryan's story was false.
• Also the blonde girl who stole from the athsmatic lady, he discovered the exact amount of money that was in her purse and even knew who did it.

Just a reminder that there were no witnesses to any of these crimes, except that he lived right next door to Anna. Even after he died, he masterminded multiple different events and games, and was able to deceive the public, even though he was dead. He’s also obviously a civil engineer, and can contrast highly advanced machines and traps with a complex set of rules. The movie taglines even said something along the lines of, "He is everyone. He is everywhere. He is everything.” or something like that. Some of the qualifications for Extraordinary Genius are “accurately predicting the future through sheer mental calculations.” and “executing complex strategies even under high pressure.”

None of what you described above seems to exceed real world human maximum capability. My apologies.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

I think so, yes.

Thx

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I have a question, would this qualify for extraordinary genius?

If a character is 4 years old, but owns a games company, has published several scientific papers and holds several patents. One of them being a massaging machine. Is implied to have made a lot of money from their research or companies, as he holds enough money that he can pay for all medical bills and infrastructure repairs if he blew up an entire building.
Is stated the student with the highest grades in all of Japan and the best student since that same schools founding.
Is very skilled at hacking as he can contend with a spy much older (23 year old) than him who has a focus on Cybersecurity.
When he was using his hacking to blow up things connected to a buildings electrical system he instantly calculated the probability of anyone getting hurt by the constant explosive attacks being no one. Which he was correct on.
Also he calculated the deterioration rate of infrastructure in a building after looking at its blueprints in an instant. Figuring out every weak point in the ceiling.
And when he simply got too frustrated with a group of people, he engineered a bioweapon using random chemicals in a nearby lab to make them sick so they would leave him alone.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

I have a question, would this qualify for extraordinary genius?

If a character is 4 years old, but owns a games company, has published several scientific papers and holds several patents. One of them being a massaging machine. Is implied to have made a lot of money from their research or companies, as he holds enough money that he can pay for all medical bills and infrastructure repairs if he blew up an entire building.
Is stated the student with the highest grades in all of Japan and the best student since that same schools founding.
Is very skilled at hacking as he can contend with a spy much older (23 year old) than him who has a focus on Cybersecurity.
When he was using his hacking to blow up things connected to a buildings electrical system he instantly calculated the probability of anyone getting hurt by the constant explosive attacks being no one. Which he was correct on.
Also he calculated the deterioration rate of infrastructure in a building after looking at its blueprints in an instant. Figuring out every weak point in the ceiling.
And when he simply got too frustrated with a group of people, he engineered a bioweapon using random chemicals in a nearby lab to make them sick so they would leave him alone.

That's Extraordinary Genius, and quite easily too

 

[Antvasima]

I have a question, would this qualify for extraordinary genius?

If a character is 4 years old, but owns a games company, has published several scientific papers and holds several patents. One of them being a massaging machine. Is implied to have made a lot of money from their research or companies, as he holds enough money that he can pay for all medical bills and infrastructure repairs if he blew up an entire building.
Is stated the student with the highest grades in all of Japan and the best student since that same schools founding.
Is very skilled at hacking as he can contend with a spy much older (23 year old) than him who has a focus on Cybersecurity.
When he was using his hacking to blow up things connected to a buildings electrical system he instantly calculated the probability of anyone getting hurt by the constant explosive attacks being no one. Which he was correct on.
Also he calculated the deterioration rate of infrastructure in a building after looking at its blueprints in an instant. Figuring out every weak point in the ceiling.
And when he simply got too frustrated with a group of people, he engineered a bioweapon using random chemicals in a nearby lab to make them sick so they would leave him alone.

Yes, it does.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I began to browse through the 23 images, but found it boring roughly halfway after nothing relevant seemed to happen, so a summary of any feats within there would be better.

I don't know how to summarize it though

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Please write a summary.

"Meredith's plan was to herd the emus together for quick killing because while his lewis guns were powerful they were cumbersome and not easily mobile so with the farmer's help he and his two soldiers attemptedto shepherd a couple dozen emus into range of the guns but the birds were not so easily corralled chased by meredith the flock split into smaller groups and fled running away at 30 miles an hour"

"giving up his ambush tactics he mounted a gun on a truck and chased the emus down but the birds were still faster and the ground too bumpy for the gunner to shoot with any accuracy also by now the birds were keeping to smaller groups almost strategically almost as though they had a leader in each pack the soldiers observed a quote big black plumed bird which stands fully six feet high and keeps watch while his mates carry out their work of destruction and warns them of our approach and it was at this moment of despair a moment in which one comes to believe in the existence of an emu commander and intelligence chief that meredith and his men were ordered back home immediately"

 

[Antvasima]

I am not sure. Would "Average" intelligence seem appropriate based on that?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I am not sure. Would "Average" intelligence seem appropriate based on that?

This is for the Emus by the way

 

[Antvasima]

Oh. I misunderstood then. I thought that you wanted to rate a human Emu hunter.

The Emus can probably get High Animalistic intelligence based on that.

 

[Vzearr]

Do we assign characters with 'Gifted' levels of intelligence in real life a 'Gifted' rating on vsbw? For example:

Principal Skinner should be upgraded to "Gifted". An IQ of 131+ means you're in the top 2% of the world in terms of intelligence, classifying you as "Gifted" by real life standards.

 

[Antvasima]

Fictional IQ scaling rarely corresponds well with reality, so we should preferably see if character intelligence feats correspond to those of real world gifted people instead.

Also, IQ tests rarely tend to correspond with sum total intellectual capability. For example, at my peak (when I actively trained my intelligence to a great degree) back in school, I scored 164 IQ and 167 IQ respectively on two different tests, but that only tests pattern recognition ability, and it doesn't take into account that I also have some mental disabilities or instabilities, including adhd, that make it very hard for me to focus on and enjoy learning, and remember new practical skills, and what about geniuses in music or art, for another example?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Vader's intelligence feats don't bump him up, do they?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Oh. I misunderstood then. I thought that you wanted to rate a human Emu hunter.

The Emus can probably get High Animalistic intelligence based on that.

Emu

The emu is a ratite that also serves as the 2nd tallest extant bird behind the ostrich. The emu is a flightless bird that can reach up to 1.9 meters in height. Adult emus weigh between 18 and 60 kg (40 and 132 lbs), with an average of 31.5 and 37 kg (69 and 82 lbs) in males and females...

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[Tomfer]

Can Tim Drake be considered EG just like Bruce? His current profile, while bare bones, still gives a good grasp of his intelligence.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Sarada Uchiha

Sarada Uchiha (うちはサラダ, Uchiha Sarada) is a kunoichi from Konohagakure's Uchiha clan and a member of Team Konohamaru, daughter of Sasuke Uchiha who was raised by her mother, Sakura Haruno. Initially, having grown up without her father around, Sarada was curious about Sasuke questioning her own...

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Urashiki Ōtsutsuki

Urashiki Ōtsutsuki is a descendant of the Ōtsutsuki Clan's central family, and an antagonist in Boruto: Naruto Next Generations. Tier: At least 6-C, Varies with Absorbed Techniques | At least 6-C Key: Base | Evolved Form Name: Urashiki Ōtsutsuki Origin: Naruto Gender: Male Age: Unknown...

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Why do they have genius intelligence?

 

[Antvasima]

Can Tim Drake be considered EG just like Bruce? His current profile, while bare bones, still gives a good grasp of his intelligence.

Yes. I think that seems fine.

 

[Antvasima]

Sarada Uchiha

Sarada Uchiha (うちはサラダ, Uchiha Sarada) is a kunoichi from Konohagakure's Uchiha clan and a member of Team Konohamaru, daughter of Sasuke Uchiha who was raised by her mother, Sakura Haruno. Initially, having grown up without her father around, Sarada was curious about Sasuke questioning her own...

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Urashiki Ōtsutsuki

Urashiki Ōtsutsuki is a descendant of the Ōtsutsuki Clan's central family, and an antagonist in Boruto: Naruto Next Generations. Tier: At least 6-C, Varies with Absorbed Techniques | At least 6-C Key: Base | Evolved Form Name: Urashiki Ōtsutsuki Origin: Naruto Gender: Male Age: Unknown...

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Why do they have genius intelligence?

It seems like their Genius intelligence ratings have been removed long ago, or that you linked to the wrong pages, but I will add Gifted intelligence for Sarada based on her description.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

So I found this profile while cleaning up, and I was wondering if this qualify for EXTRAORDINARY GENIUS OR SUPERGENIUS?
Also for the time being I have changed the rating to Unknown.

Context↓

(Created a Reactor Core for the RoboKing that made him act almost exactly like the King, even down to the point of accidentally destroying the universe)

 

[SamanPatou]

While I do summarily know the game, I must say that description is just lacking sufficient context, as the whole profile does for basicaly everything for that matter. I'd say unknown is good for the time being.

Also, I want to say that Sasaki Kojirou clearly deserves an extraordinary genius rating. While his intelligence section might not be exhaustive on the matter, his P&A sections does all the work and expresses everything one needs to know about it.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

While I do summarily know the game, I must say that description is just lacking sufficient context, as the whole profile does for basicaly everything for that matter. I'd say unknown is good for the time being.

Ok ig.

Also, I want to say that Sasaki Kojirou clearly deserves an extraordinary genius rating. While his intelligence section might not be exhaustive on the matter, his P&A sections does all the work and expresses everything one needs to know about it.

I think his analytical prediction can be used for Extraordinary genius ?

 

[Antvasima]

So I found this profile while cleaning up, and I was wondering if this qualify for EXTRAORDINARY GENIUS OR SUPERGENIUS?
Also for the time being I have changed the rating to Unknown.

Context↓

Extraordinary Genius seems appropriate.

 

[Antvasima]

While I do summarily know the game, I must say that description is just lacking sufficient context, as the whole profile does for basicaly everything for that matter. I'd say unknown is good for the time being.

That may be better on second thought, yes.

Also, I want to say that Sasaki Kojirou clearly deserves an extraordinary genius rating. While his intelligence section might not be exhaustive on the matter, his P&A sections does all the work and expresses everything one needs to know about it.

Extraordinary Genius in combat skill seems appropriate, yes.