Scizor vs Ranga (Light Novel) (7-A tournament)

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Ranga FRA. Coercion is op.

 

[Phoenks]

If he spends the time hiding between shadows where Scizor can’t hurt him. He has nothing to do but amp. After that he won’t be easily harm able do to the 2-4 times amp to his speed, evasion and defense.

Why would he just hide in them? He moves between them, reappearing in different places and attacking from other angles.

 

[GLHF22]

Ranga can hide within shadow and shot a black lighting from there.

 

[00potato]

Coercion isn’t the wincon. It can be resisted and the effects reduced.

Also he probably will be jumping between shadows and attacking but Scizor high defense let him take a few hits and amps let him dodge the lightning and counter melee strikes.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

How good is Scizor's resistance? In numbers

 

[00potato]

Also couldn’t he damage the shadows with his own darkness based attacks? He can hurt Gengar with any non normal and fighting moves, who is a ghost and is the shadow Pokémon.

 

[Phoenks]

Will scizor be smart enough to realize it's shadow movement?

 

[00potato]

How good is Scizor's resistance? In numbers

I already explained this. The number scale is arbitrary and vauge, I doubt that scale is even constant in fiction

The attack is more of a strike based on mental manipulation that more scales with AP.

Pheonix
I don’t see why not. Their are other Pokémon who can do that and if he sees the lightning come out of the shadow, he will know where to strike, his speed amps and priority moves should let him land a hit in time and if he tries to teleport to another one, pursuit should hit.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

It is constant on the verse, so it doesnt matter + its how we judge potency here

Generally speaking, we judge the potency of Mind Manipulation both by what it can do and by how many people its user can affect at once with it. This may range from only a few people at a time to entire planetary populations.

 

[00potato]

Even then the explanation for that given for it (given by daddy above.) doesn’t line up logically.

Anyway it can also be resisted with willpower, cal mentioned that he should be fine with that above.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

GLHF already explained why willpower alone doesnt work.

 

[00potato]

Ok so you can resist it with willpower but by willpower we mean something completely different/ specific skills. That is essentially what you are saying.

Yeah no, that would need a scan. It doesn’t really make much sense.

This.

The explanation is stupid.
You can resist it via willpower but not actually, it’s via willpower based skills. Same thing.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

No, you need willpower and skills to resist

 

[Daddybrawl]

Once again, Potato, come on, please call me Brawl. 2nd off, you still ignore my other point about Pokemon Resistances clearly not applying to Hax. It clearly doesn‘t. They’re still put to sleep by attacks, confused by Confusion, etc., to the point where they need Abilities to overcome Hax- and Scizor doesn’t have any of those.

 

[GLHF22]

This.

The explanation is stupid.
You can resist it via willpower but not actually, it’s via willpower based skills. Same thing.

If you didnt get what i say then its your problem, i said that most unique skill users have tolerance type skill Among which is Resist paralysis.

 

[00potato]

But that only proves that paralysis resistance is a skill, not that willpower in this case refers to the unique skills; the claim I asked for evidence for.

 

[GLHF22]

Okay this is pointsless, since there's no way Scizor can resist Coercion, he didnt even have willpower manip in His profile nor resistance to anything like Coercion.

 

[00potato]

Again, with the appeal to authority rather then actually proving whether willpower refers to the unique skill or disproving the mental resistance point. That is all you would have to do to win. If not then Scizor should resist and overcome.

 

[GLHF22]

You need Will power to overcome the intimidating aura that Coercion have and then you must have tolerance type skill to Resist some effect of, Fear Manipulation, Confusion Inducement, and Sleep Manipulation (On a scale of 210) that is induced into you, hence you need Tolerance type skill.


Okay you keep asking evidence left and right, so now im asking to you, the evidence that Scizor can resist Coercion with multiple effect on scale of 210 people

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

This isnt even appeal to authority, its just how the site works. You are actively going against what the profile and the mind manip page states, at this point.

 

[00potato]

I already explained that the number of people effected doesn’t really matter. It is AOE, it will effect everyone evenly unless you can prove that he can focus it down into one person. I already explained the mental resistance argument; which you still haven’t debunked.

@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless
Just claiming, well that is how the site works so I am right; rather then debunking the point or proving the site’s logic correct, is an appeal to authority.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

No, if you disagree with what the mindhax and ranga profile says, you need to make a CRT and disprove it, otherwise your agument holds no water

Mindhax potency is judged by numbers and Ranga has coercion on a scale of 210

Furthermore, Scizor has literally no resistance to those, so you are the one that needs to prove that he can do it.

(And I dont think you know how appeal to authority works in the first place, going by what you are saying here)

 

[GLHF22]

You works on different logic than most member and this wiki. By your logic people who can mind haxed entire galaxy is the same as some weak ass who can only mind haxed one people. So im going to point out it here, Your Logic Is Flawled.

Here you can see tolerance?

 

[00potato]

You need Will power to overcome the intimidating aura that Coercion have and then you must have tolerance type skill to Resist some effect of, Fear Manipulation, Confusion Inducement, and Sleep Manipulation (On a scale of 210) that is induced into you, hence you need Tolerance type skill.


Okay you keep asking evidence left and right, so now im asking to you, the evidence that Scizor can resist Coercion with multiple effect on scale of 210 people

This is just repeating the points again without proving it.
I already argued against the numbers part with Brawl
and you have yet to prove that willpower refers to the unique skill, only that the skill exists. You stated that before, so prove it. Also yes I am claiming that because you haven’t disproven in, just write it off as ridiculous because you apparently don’t understand the point. Unless you can prove that more people equals more potency (I already explained this to Brawl. So go back to that and debunk it.) I will have this point over you.
@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless
An appeal to authority is when you base your argument on the authority of the claimant rather then the evidence provided. You haven’t disproven my claims but you have just stated that the site, the authority you are appealing to, disagrees.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Again, if you disagree with what the profile says, you are the one that needs to make a CRT to change it. This is basic stuff that you learn after a few weeks on this site

It doesnt even have anything to do with appeal to authority, since we are not appealing to any authority here, and rather just describing what the page says. And then again, if you disagree with that, a CRT is needed to change it.

 

[GLHF22]

Okay man, this is stupid. We have said it multiple Times that Numbers equal to potency thats just how site works, if you disagree then Make CRT.

 

[00potato]

CRT’s aren’t allowed yet, I don’t think so right?

 

[00potato]

Also you said, ok but you never proved it, so why the hell does it matter?

 

[GLHF22]

Then your argument hold no weight at all.

 

[GLHF22]

You're the one who have to prove it since you claim something which is not present in the profile, where's the evidence? All thing i see is you blabbering nonsense without feats/scan/evidence backing it.

 

[00potato]

Then your argument hold no weight at all.

But you never even proved either of yours and you didn’t disprove the logic behind mine besides an appeal to authority.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

You need to understand that if something is already on a profile, you cant do anything about it unless you make a CRT and change it.

 

[GLHF22]

But you never even proved either of yours and you didn’t disprove the logic behind mine besides an appeal to authority.

What to be proved? Numbers equal potency have been proved even before you enter this Wiki.

 

[Stupits]

A lot of debate has happened since those votes so do they still matter that much?

(Also isn’t Ragna too haxed for this tourney?)

no scizor is just weaker than the majority of them tbh

 

[00potato]

You're the one who have to prove it since you claim something which is not present in the profile, where's the evidence? All thing i see is you blabbering nonsense without feats/scan/evidence backing it.

Let’s look at the arguments present and my evidence vs yours.
Corercion resistance. You even stated that it is based on willpower but you claimed that willpower refers to something else without evidence. I provided a psychic move that directly effects the mind, which Scizor receives less damage from.
Numbers equals resistance: look at my argument with brawl against that. All you did is claim that the wiki proved it without showing me that proof for me to check. Weird huh. It should only apply if he can outright focus it in one person, you haven’t proven that.

@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless
I doubt CRT’s are allowed yet, look at the TF2 one, still shut down. And that still doesn’t disprove the argument presented, just an appeal to authority. Was their an announcement about it being allowed now?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

No, you need willpower and skills to resist

That’s not what was said. What was said was that willpower gives you the skill to resist it. In a neutral setting, sheer willpower would be enough.

But no, Scizor’s psychic resistance doesn’t include Mindhax resistance. Just stuff like telekinesis and other stuff. That said, poison immunity is legit. And being in shadows doesn’t exactly prevent Scizor from hitting you given Shadow Sneak users aren’t immune to raw damage.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

If it doesnt include mindhax nor sleephax, then he gets incapd

 

[00potato]

Sheer Willpower, you haven’t answered that point.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Again, if it can be willed through in verse, there should be no problem here. It’s a veritable weakness. Not everything has to be hax based.

But if we go that route, Scizor is still in the D IQ group, which includes the ability Self Curer, which makes it heal from status ailments quicker.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Sure, can I see the quote where the willpower thing comes from then?