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Scizor vs Ranga (Light Novel) (7-A tournament)

Coercion is something you can resist through sheer willpoer, HOWEVER strong willpower in this verse are usually refers to unique skill users, since you need a very strong willpower to get one, with this you can handle the stress of moving through the worlds without material body. And Unique skill users usually got some Unconventional Resistance/tolerance type skill. So a willpower alone without any resistance wouldnt makes you an exception to the skill.
 
I don't know much about the verse so correct me if i'm wrong, but don't some slime characters have passive radiation manip (eg this guy)
 
Forget to say this, Ranga can shoot death lighting and death Herald wind even if he is inside the shadow.
 
fandom_00potato said:
How, you asserted that without any reasoning? Why is numbers the measuring point rather then let’s say piercing resistance? Especially since it’s AOE, it just effects everyone in it’s range evenly, the number of people effected has nothing to do with the potency.
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agreed just because there are less people doesnt mean the attack gets any more condensed if you get my point
 
Still voting for Ranga though Ranga seems way stronger than Scizor and it looks like Scizor cant even one shot Ranga
 
GLHF22 said:
Coercion is something you can resist through sheer willpoer, HOWEVER strong willpower in this verse are usually refers to unique skill users, since you need a very strong willpower to get one, with this you can handle the stress of moving through the worlds without material body. And Unique skill users usually got some Unconventional Resistance/tolerance type skill. So a willpower alone without any resistance wouldnt makes you an exception to the skill.
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Ok so you can resist it with willpower but by willpower we mean something completely different/ specific skills. That is essentially what you are saying.

Yeah no, that would need a scan. It doesn’t really make much sense.
 
First of all you always saying something which is not present in Scizor profile, if he really Resist mental attack or mind manip on scale of 210 people then proof it and add it to the profile. Much like steel type monster Resist to toxic/poison? Well proof it then add it to his profile. magicules is nots poison, its just appear to be deadly to weak existence. All thing you do is just guess work without basis/evidence backed it since they're not mentioned in Scizor profile.
 
What the hell does “deadly to weak existence mean.”

Also can you actually prove the point wrong rather then just saying “well it isn’t on the profile it doesn’t count”? That isn’t an argument it’s an appeal to authority. I already made the argument, and backed it up, can you disprove it?

I already explained to Daddy why the AOE effecting 210 people doesn’t matter.
 
Then what's the point of profile if not for guidance for character's power? There's nothing to disprove since everyone above already said it. Mental type attack doesnt work on him? Then why is nots in his profile? "He have traits to Resist mental type attack so he should Resist Coercion with different effect on scale of 210 people" thats just guess work without evidence/proof/feats backed it.
 
Why are you just repeating the point again without evidence? Disprove the point and I will let this slide.

Also why do you keep bringing up the 210 scale I already adressed that to Daddybrawl, the numbers don’t matter.
 
I legit didnt understand what you're talking, i'm questioning you if you don't understand i'll make it simple ,'why are those ability/resistance nots in his profile?'

Sorry but we don't follow your rule nor your logic, we follow the rule which is approved by majority of experts in this Wiki.
 
Why is it so difficult for you? Just disprove the point instead of appealing to rules and tradition and whatever.
If you can’t disprove the point then just concede the point.
 
Even if i'm trying to disprove it, what im gonna say is the same as Brawl. Numbers = potency. This is rule and logic that is approved by experts and majority of members in this Wiki.
 
Ok, then prove it rather then just appealing to some vauge authority (experts on what, fictional logic that is probably inconsistent anyway?)
Again do you have any points to stand on? Or do I need to start hammering this into you?
If you can’t disprove my point or my counterpoint on coercion; just concede that point.
 
No he didn’t?
He claimed that it would be focused on one point but he didn’t prove that coercion would work like that at all.
I answered with “why would it be focused on one person if it’s usually AOE?”
He responded
“Because it is bi g focused on one person?”
Do you see the problem.
He didn’t answer the question on how it could be focused on one person, he just kept asserting that it could be.
 
Daddybrawl said:
First of all, please call me Brawl.
2nd of all, we always scale these types of things by how many people it can effect. The more people a Hax can effect, the better it’s going to effect one person. Sort of like Mindhax- we scale people by how many people they can effect, such as Kirby resisting Galaxy-Level Mindhax.
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This. And you didnt disprove it , you outright ignore it and didnt give the reason why we cannot follow the rule and tradition and just complaining to him that he didnt disprove your point.

First of all why is this logic and rule is wrong in your eyes? Let's hear it.
 
What do you mean I didn’t. He has yet to prove that coercion could be focused into one point. And both have you have failed to disprove the other argument.
 
At this point I don’t even know if I can take you seriously, man. It shouldn’t be that hard to debate one of those points.
 
fandom_00potato said:
How, you asserted that without any reasoning? Why is numbers the measuring point rather then let’s say piercing resistance? Especially since it’s AOE, it just effects everyone in it’s range evenly, the number of people effected has nothing to do with the potency.
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Yeah that is the bit you need to answer if it’s AOE why would it be focused onto one person instead of just effecting everyone evenly?
 
I mean why didnt you understand Brawl's point? He even use 'bed of nails' analogy which makes it easier to understand that numbers = potency.
 
Yeah but that only assumes that the AOE fear would be able to be focused into one person without any feats of that happening. If you can show that (let’s be honest you would have before instead of slimily walking around the simple point.)
As Brawl says a bed of nails is less painful because the pain is spread out over the body. This is that. His analogy supports my point.


Also why does hax even work like that? Also a good question, that sounds like something that varies from verse to verse as it is built on magic fantasy ideas.
 
Look i didnt want to explain everything to you and im not expert either, you can ask any knowledgeable member/staff member or just make Q&A thread and ask 'why numbers of people matter for potency?'
 
Ok, if you never wanted to explain that, and clearly can’t. Then why didn’t you just concede that point?
 
A lot of debate has happened since those votes so do they still matter that much?

(Also isn’t Ragna too haxed for this tourney?)
 
That 'lot of debate' didnt mean much anyway so the vote still count, even if he is too haxed, this can still be added to his profile.
 
Oh, that is just the Teleport.
That gives Scizor time to use double team and Swords dance, possibly even more.
 
If he spends the time hiding between shadows where Scizor can’t hurt him. He has nothing to do but amp. After that he won’t be easily harm able do to the 2-4 times amp to his speed, evasion and defense.
 
About Ranga being "too haxxed"

Aren't they're other characters in the tournament with that level of hax?

And the rules of the tourn were copied exactly from an actual no-hax tourny. So maybe the OP forgot to change it?
 
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