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Scizor vs Ranga (Light Novel) (7-A tournament)

Pretty much every Pokemon is stalwart enough to go against the likes of their resident gods and fail (like Lugia, Groudon, Dialga, etc.) and have the willpower to shrug off non-volatile status effects like sleep and poison as of X/Y.

Scizor fight other Scizor. Pokémon fight each other. Needless to say they’re unintimidated by their fellow species’ attempts if they can reasonably spar with each other.

Scizor isn’t even completely beat out ranged either, given Air Slash and especially Silver Wind is in its repertoire, the latter having the chance to boost all its relevant stats.
 
Well, so your're gonna say that Scizor intimidation is stronger than Legendary pokemon? They have willpower to overcome Legendary pokemon but nots Scizor?

Remember Cal this is fear inducing hax, which works on 210 people that have no relation on being scary or feared. Being the same rank monster means nothing if you dont have the resistance needed.
 
But when you are built for intimidat
GLHF22 said:
Well, so your're gonna say that Scizor intimidation is stronger than Legendary pokemon? They have willpower to overcome Legendary pokemon but nots Scizor?

Remember Cal this is fear inducing hax, which works on 210 people that have no relation on being scary or feared. Being the same rank monster means nothing if you dont have the resistance needed.
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Now you are either just really bad at reading or just being slimy? He said go against as on fight these god like beings far above him.
You yourself even mentioned it being willpower based but backtracked when it didn’t fit your argument. That is a big ass willpower feat so he should resist. Not everything is “lol hax.” When even you admit that it involves willpower.
 
Technically Pokemon could potentially scale to being able to break out of Confusion or Hypnosis effects, which can affect Spiritomb in the same way, who’s composed of 108 Souls. That May be game Mechanics though, we only see Spiritomb once in the anime I believe.
 
fandom_00potato said:
But when you are built for intimidat

Now you are either just really bad at reading or just being slimy? He said go against as on fight these god like beings far above him.
You yourself even mentioned it being willpower based but backtracked when it didn’t fit your argument. That is a big ass willpower feat so he should resist. Not everything is “lol hax.” When even you admit that it involves willpower.
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I don't know if i can take you seriously, i said fear inducing hax have no relation of being scary or feared. Now you are either just really bad at reading or just being slimy?

Let me make it simple that even children can understand. So Legendary pokemon is a scary and feared figure correct? Now being scary and feared figure/character is still lose to Scizor intimidation ability which can intimidate other pokemon correct? Yes, this is fear inducing hax so being able to fight a big shot isnt going to get past it as it inducing fear into your heart.
 
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Problem is that you also said it was resisted by willpower earlier. If that’s the case, Scizor are practically the most fearless non-legendaries around. Always facing problems headfirst, constantly ready to both intimidate the opponent and fend off enemies with literal nerves made of Steel. That’s where we’re having a disagreement- you’re backtracking, makes it looks like you’re cherry-picking, as not all fearhax are made the same.
 
Daddybrawl said:
Problem is that you also said it was resisted by willpower earlier. If that’s the case, Scizor are practically the most fearless non-legendaries around. Always facing problems headfirst, constantly ready to both intimidate the opponent and fend off enemies with literal nerves made of Steel. That’s where we’re having a disagreement- you’re backtracking, makes it looks like you’re cherry-picking, as not all fearhax are made the same.
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Yes, i said it, and what's makes Scizor have strong willpower to overcome Coercion? Being fearless means nothing if the fear the itelf is induced into your heart, what im saying is is he able to overcome/have enough willpower to Rresist fear inducing hax. I'm not backtraking you just didnt provide the feats of Scizor have enough willpower to overcome fear inducing hax, where's the willpower manip on His profile? Why is he doesnt have resistance to fear manip? Resistance/ability being in profile means the Wiki acknowledge the feats and can be used as argument.

You do realize most Protag in fiction have no fear at all when facing a big shot that is feared by all didnt you? Remember this is hax not some random reputation, being able to fight some feared character doesnt instantly gives you a very strong willpower unless the feared existence have hax which induced some fear/crushing your will and makes you kneel before him.
 
No no no, see, there’s a difference. If a Fearhax ability can be overcome by sheer willpower, you don’t really need a Fear resistance to overcome it, just strong willpower. Not all Fearhax work the same- for example, Leer is based off of intimidation, but there’re also Fearhax that cause you to be afraid. Coercion is looking like the ‘Intimidation’ part of Fearhax- capable of being resisted by sheer willpower, and doesn’t induce fear, but causes it.
The problem with Intimidation Fearhax working on Scizor is that, not only is he stronger than Ranga, likely believes it’s stronger than Ranga, and literally Starts off battles trying to intimidate and smack around powerful foes, is that it also comes from a verse where monsters are an everyday occurrence. Deities literally casually walk the earth, dogs capable of shooting Lightning actually exist. If anything, Ranga looks a lot like already existing Pokemon. He comes from a verse where Intimidation is a common tactic, one he commonly employs, so If Rangas is listed as Intimidation Fearhax, Scizor’s the perfect non-legendary candidate to resist it.

edit: An example. Dr.Clef has Fear Manip from just being able to scare women away with his slimey personality. You don’t need a Fearhax resistance to overcome that, you just need to not be bothered by it. The Scarecrow uses Gases to make you hallucinate, seeing your worst fears and tricking your brain into being afraid. Clefs is an ‘Intimidation Fearhax’, while Scarecrows is ‘Inducement Fearhax’. It’s noted on the Fear Manip page too- depending on how the medium’s portrayed, one can just overcome a FearHax via willpower, but it’s really dependent on how the Hax’s portrayed.
 
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I’m still neutral. I feel like it requires more info on the participants. So far we’ve just been going back and forth, sharing the same information because we’re all too stubborn to admit whether we’re wrong, lol.
 
As i said it was Fear inducing hax, i mean cmon you beingg fearless doesnt mean anything to fear inducing hax, it is HAX, a strong willpower needed when the fear was induced to your heart its completely different than something like you see something scary and you're not scared. Coercion is an inferior version of Demon Lord haki which is induced madness into everyone near the user, hence you need to have feats resistance to madness manip, same case like Coercion it is inducing fear to everyone near, you need a feats to have strong enough willpower to resist the fear, being fearless means nothing at all. There's many example of fearless character but got scared when the fear is induced into their heart.

The problem here is Scizor never displayed strong willpower like that on that scale, say Ruphas Mafahl Passives aura which crush the will of 7 million people makes them all kneel before her, will Scizor be able to keep his willpower? Hence feats is needed.
 
You already explained that it is based on will power and brawl, cal and I showed you the feats already. A quick summary
-Already relies on and intimidation
-Is stronger and already deals with worse opponents regularly
-Is stalwart enough to face gods.
-persistent in general
Willpower resistable hax should be well, resistead in this case. This isn’t our first time explaining this but you need to slimily backtrack and cherry pick because

Where does Ruphas come into here? Why are you scaling Coercion to what you admit is a far stronger version of the move? None of those make any sense in this context so why say it?

Also God you clown. Cal already explained that Scizor has his own ranged options and tell me this.
Why would range matter when Scizor could amp himself to 4 times speed, evasion, and defense? He will close that gap easily. Which passives are you referring to?
 
Wait we already went over the passives.
Again more backtracking and repetition when you have no leg to stand on. Might work for voters that breeze through the thread. Not for folks who actually read and argued in it.
 
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Also God you clown. Cal already explained that Scizor has his own ranged options and tell me this.
Why would range matter when Scizor could amp himself to 4 times speed, evasion, and defense? He will close that gap easily. Which passives are you referring to?
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Ok, but there is no need to insult.
 
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Calling someone a clown is an insult potato.
Basically like saying someone is ludicrously stupid.
 
Voting Scizor for now, FRA. Explicitly stated in the FearHax profile that willpower-resisted Hax don’t need actual resistance to Fearhax, and rather just strong will. That furthers Scizor’s Wincons even more.
 
>Willpower resistensi hax

>Scizor doesnt have willpower manip nor have feats of overcome fear hax through Will power

By your logic, Scizor would be able to stand Ruphas' Coercion which crush willpower works on scale of 7 million people

Thats 6-2 i guess
 
First off... 7 Million people? At best on the profile, that scales to 210 people, all basic Humans. When did anyone ever bring up 7 Million people- that’s quite a large difference than what has been provided. Seeing as how we do have a scan for 210, but not 7 Million, you’re going to need evidence for that as it seems like a huge wank.
2nd off, since when does simply having Willpower qualify for Willpower Manip. Being strong-willed doesn’t let you manipulate willpower. It never has, for almost any fiction. Willpower Manip is an ability, while having strong willpower is a character trait. 2 very, very different things.
3rd, you’re straight up ignoring previous arguments now. ‘No feats of resisting Fearhax with willpower’ once again, you don’t need Fearhax resistance to resist Willpower-Based Fearhax, and Scizor regularly battles with Pokemon who not only look similar to Ranga, are stronger than Ranga, but also have Fearhax of their own. Tell me whether you’d be scared of someone in an alleyway after battling God, that’s pretty much what we’re comparing these to.
 
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There were humans in the group that didn't faint. Like, the ability doesn't get evenly divided among each present sentient being or anything, it is just an intimidating roar.

And yes, if Scizor appeared in the real world and screeched at humans that don't even know it, they would still start fleeing.

But yeah, a pokemon willing to face off against ridiculously disadvantageous enemies where it could easily die, and who spends most of its lifetime fighting, has plenty of willpower.

Anyways, voting Scizor fra.

(Also, since the High 7-A comes from one aoe ability that gets its rating from being a storm, why would its singular lightning bolts and winds scale to its full energy?)
 
Ok, so bump time. Three things to note.
1 Most of Ranga’s votes are outdated.
2 The votes should be 3-4 for Scizor (me, Brawl, Risci, and probably Cal.
3 I should try to advertise this.
 
Yeah 5 votes for Scizor.
Plenty of Ranga’s votes seem to be Coercion. So at least 3 seem to be outdated.
 
Daddybrawl said:
First off... 7 Million people? At best on the profile, that scales to 210 people, all basic Humans. When did anyone ever bring up 7 Million people- that’s quite a large difference than what has been provided. Seeing as how we do have a scan for 210, but not 7 Million, you’re going to need evidence for that as it seems like a huge wank.
2nd off, since when does simply having Willpower qualify for Willpower Manip. Being strong-willed doesn’t let you manipulate willpower. It never has, for almost any fiction. Willpower Manip is an ability, while having strong willpower is a character trait. 2 very, very different things.
3rd, you’re straight up ignoring previous arguments now. ‘No feats of resisting Fearhax with willpower’ once again, you don’t need Fearhax resistance to resist Willpower-Based Fearhax, and Scizor regularly battles with Pokemon who not only look similar to Ranga, are stronger than Ranga, but also have Fearhax of their own. Tell me whether you’d be scared of someone in an alleyway after battling God, that’s pretty much what we’re comparing these to.
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1. I'm talking about Ruphas Mafahl Passives which crush Will of 7 million people. If we use your logic by merely having "willpower" you could Resist Ruphas' Coercion. Even though most of 7 million people
are LVL 1000 planet busters. Not limited to this, you could Resist most of willpower manip in this Wiki.
Because strong willpower is the most basic proof of Resisting willpower manip.

2. This is why im talking and asking feats, being merely stated to be fearless is very Stretch and unreliable statement.

3. You should read entire argument, Scizor doesnt have feats of have strong willpower to Overcome a fearhax on scale of 210 People, again 'fearless' is an unreliable statement and cant be used as argument.
 
1: I believe that’s a strawman. Ruphas has nothing to do with this conversation. I don’t even know who the crap he is. I don’t know how his Hax works, nor how potently it effected said 7 Million people. And honestly, I don’t really care. Please refrain from bringing unrelated topics into this conversation.

2: Ok. First of all, Scizor is typically portrayed as Violent and aggressive. Unlike most Pokemon, it’s pretty dumb, willing to charge head-first with its claws into any situation. Seeing as how this is a world where Legendaries, who are basically Deities, casually roam about, that’s a strong feat in its own, to go against pokemon that powerful, as well as the fact that it likely commonly battles Pokemon with Fearhax such as Intimidate, Leer, or Mean Look, all of which have dangerous effects caused by Fearhax. It also is well-versed in Intimidation, that being the whole reason it’s claws look like Heads, so it can scare people as it tears them to bits. In short, it has Nerves of Steel, figuratively and literally.

3: And you should read my own. The problem with Willpower-Resisted Fearhax is that a strong enough Willpower can break it. So far, the only scans provided are of the Fearhax affecting Humans. Human people, who would naturally be scared of Ranga anyways. Then, we have Scizor, who is nowhere close to Human-Level willpower- in fact, it’s probablyone of the few non-legendary/mythical Pokemon a Trainer should be scared of. Willpower-Resisted Fearhax and normal Fearhax are going to be resisted differently, and likely with different potencies.
 
Eh, it is more of a guideline if anything. New forum anyway,we can’t really tell if that is a big deal yet.
 
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