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Scizor vs Ranga (Light Novel) (7-A tournament)
- Thread starter Spinoirr
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Im talking about scizor
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The mon specializes in intimidation as a species. It’s very used to said tactics because it’s instinct. It’s like expecting a lion to be intimidated by the roar of a wolf.
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Normal, opportunistic humans with no resolve =/= giant metal bug monster who fights coming out of an egg.
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But can he scare away 210 fodders/humans, with his pincers 
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Probably not lol. Trainers would be more like “Oh cool! Let me gets my Ultra Balls!” Then again they're well versed in the setting. Irl a giant metal bug monster would probably scare a bunch of people.
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Yeah if the Wild Area is anything to go by, they’ll chase ya down to the ends of the earth.
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In all honesty, I have no idea how is Ranga even allowed on this tournament if he has thought based fear hax on a scale of 200 persons + passive radiation.
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Anyhow, if Ranga is still allowed even with that obvious one-shot worthy thought based hax he has, then I vote Ranga FRA.
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Excellent. A will-Power overcome ability is great for Scizor, as Pokemon have a lot of willpower literally bred into them. But you guys already said all that, so let’s get to it.
We know Scizor starts off with brute force, rather than tactics such as Swords Dance or Agility. This means they’ll be similar in AP for a while. Scizor is used to characters using shadow-based attacks such as Shadow Sneak, and should be able to hold its own against opponents who use it, meaning Scizor is used to this sort of thing. However, Shadow Sneak is manipulating the Shadow to Attack, not transforming into a Shadow, so they’re quite different, yet similar.
While Ranga will be able to attack from all angles, it’s made quite clear Scizor’s unfazed even by attacks of its own caliber. Rangas lower AP won’t do much there, then. Rangas weird Molecule Manip Howl might be effective, as it seems the sound isn’t dangerous, but rather the fact that it attacks in on an Atomic Level. Is the Howl useful against metal? As even Scizor’s muscles are made out of Metal, he’s completely made of the stuff.
Ranga has a decent Range advantage, but he may be screwed if he starts with Shadow Motion. Shadow Motion is described as ‘Moving Through Shadows’, and Ranga doesn’t seem to have Teleportation on the profile, which implies it’s literally moving from Shadows. Quick Attack and Bullet Punch are both attacks that are meant to be quick, and are brute force, which means they’re in-character to use. With speed Equal, a Speed Amp is very important, and QA/BP could easily land solid hits on Ranga if it’s actually just ‘Moving through Shadows’. Leer won’t do much, however, as it’s based off of Fear, and Ranga resists Fear Manipulation.
We know Scizor starts off with brute force, rather than tactics such as Swords Dance or Agility. This means they’ll be similar in AP for a while. Scizor is used to characters using shadow-based attacks such as Shadow Sneak, and should be able to hold its own against opponents who use it, meaning Scizor is used to this sort of thing. However, Shadow Sneak is manipulating the Shadow to Attack, not transforming into a Shadow, so they’re quite different, yet similar.
While Ranga will be able to attack from all angles, it’s made quite clear Scizor’s unfazed even by attacks of its own caliber. Rangas lower AP won’t do much there, then. Rangas weird Molecule Manip Howl might be effective, as it seems the sound isn’t dangerous, but rather the fact that it attacks in on an Atomic Level. Is the Howl useful against metal? As even Scizor’s muscles are made out of Metal, he’s completely made of the stuff.
Ranga has a decent Range advantage, but he may be screwed if he starts with Shadow Motion. Shadow Motion is described as ‘Moving Through Shadows’, and Ranga doesn’t seem to have Teleportation on the profile, which implies it’s literally moving from Shadows. Quick Attack and Bullet Punch are both attacks that are meant to be quick, and are brute force, which means they’re in-character to use. With speed Equal, a Speed Amp is very important, and QA/BP could easily land solid hits on Ranga if it’s actually just ‘Moving through Shadows’. Leer won’t do much, however, as it’s based off of Fear, and Ranga resists Fear Manipulation.
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Pokemon don’t have NPI. Let’s just say the Intangibility claim on Pokemon are weird, really weird. We shouldn’t get into it here- you can ask on the Pokemon Discussion Thread, if that currently exists. But it’ll just bog down this thread.
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Depends on the usage. With Pursuit? No, it doesn’t even really ‘Manipulate Darkness’, it’s just a Dark-Type move for whatever reason.
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Pursuit is dark because is a a sort of unfair and cruel attack.
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You must give him when Rimuru Coerced entire Direwolf Clan, Ranga Evolve to the same rank as Rimuru's mimicry and inherited His ability. Direwolf Clan have intrisinc skill which is named 'Coercion' Rimuru got the skill after absorbs Ranga's father. so yeah the intimidators got intimidated nothing new in Slime.
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I don't see how numerous instances of ghost types going through walls and stated to be made of stuff like souls wouldn't be enough for NPI. Pretty sure this has been accepted for a couple of years now.
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Like I said, bring it to the Pokemon Discussion Thread I posted above. This isn’t the place to discuss that, the mechanics are weird and plenty people there could tell you.
edit: In fact, check out the Thread linked on it. We were just discussing it there.
edit: In fact, check out the Thread linked on it. We were just discussing it there.
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Ok, fine. First off, there’s no NPI on the profiles, so they can’t hit Intangible things. Not enough?
We recently saw a Deceased Ghost-Type in the form of a Ghost Mimikyu, and it failed to attack another ghost type. Then we saw both said Ghost Type and a Human ragdoll it. Earlier in the first anime, Ash becomes a Ghost and is capable of interacting with Humans anyways, yet Humans can’t see him. Things that hit Ghosts are also attributed to random things, for example, Bite being able to hit ghosts while a Karate Chop can’t, and Weather effects affecting them despite it being shown they can move through walls.
Overall, NPI for Pokemon is incredibly inconsistent. They can never seem to remember what dictates a Soul or Ghost, and the rules always change.
We recently saw a Deceased Ghost-Type in the form of a Ghost Mimikyu, and it failed to attack another ghost type. Then we saw both said Ghost Type and a Human ragdoll it. Earlier in the first anime, Ash becomes a Ghost and is capable of interacting with Humans anyways, yet Humans can’t see him. Things that hit Ghosts are also attributed to random things, for example, Bite being able to hit ghosts while a Karate Chop can’t, and Weather effects affecting them despite it being shown they can move through walls.
Overall, NPI for Pokemon is incredibly inconsistent. They can never seem to remember what dictates a Soul or Ghost, and the rules always change.
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More well-made profiles like Charizard's have NPI listed. That's just a case of our hundreds of profiles lacking everything they should.
Really not sure what your point is here. Yes, there are going to be some inconsistencies and game-mechanics based stupidity in a franchise that's been running for almost 25 years non-stop. But there's also enough instances of Pokemon affecting ghosts who are stated to be made of souls and ghosts who have been shown and stated to move through solid objects, literal ghosts like the Marowak spirit in Pokemon tower and the Pokelantis' king's spirit. Keep in mind that not every Ghost type is a literal ghost, or even intangible, as some possess solid objects. If this was just one instance where a Ghost type went through a wall then yeah you'd have a point, but there's too much evidence in favour of NPI then not.
Really not sure what your point is here. Yes, there are going to be some inconsistencies and game-mechanics based stupidity in a franchise that's been running for almost 25 years non-stop. But there's also enough instances of Pokemon affecting ghosts who are stated to be made of souls and ghosts who have been shown and stated to move through solid objects, literal ghosts like the Marowak spirit in Pokemon tower and the Pokelantis' king's spirit. Keep in mind that not every Ghost type is a literal ghost, or even intangible, as some possess solid objects. If this was just one instance where a Ghost type went through a wall then yeah you'd have a point, but there's too much evidence in favour of NPI then not.
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Scizor probably just has an outdated profile, NPI is on some of the more popular Pokémon’s profiles have it; when you consider how many profiles their are many things will be missed. though I like how you are actively debating the point; you have my respect Brawl.
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Most of the votes were based on outdated arguments anyway and probably don’t count. Also Ragna is just hiding in shadows, Scizor can hurt Pokémon like Gengar, who is a ghost and does the same thing, Scizor should be able to hurt him. Amps and also healing (on his profile.) prevent Ragna from doing much damage.
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Most of the votes were based on outdated arguments anyway and probably don’t count. Also Ragna is just hiding in shadows, Scizor can hurt Pokémon like Gengar, who is a ghost and does the same thing, Scizor should be able to hurt him. Amps and also healing (on his profile.) prevent Ragna from doing much damage.
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>Outdated arguments
Ok, no, the Ranga outhaxes hard, that's impossible to deny.
Ok, no, the Ranga outhaxes hard, that's impossible to deny.
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First of All you need Spatial Manip to enter shadow, not NPI.
Second, Scizor doesnt have a way to Resist Coercion. You said that he is a monster that specialized in intimidation? Yes, Coercion can intimidate entire Direwolf Clan which is the skill 'Coercion' comefrom. So yeah being a monster specialized in intimidation mean nothing.
Second, Scizor doesnt have a way to Resist Coercion. You said that he is a monster that specialized in intimidation? Yes, Coercion can intimidate entire Direwolf Clan which is the skill 'Coercion' comefrom. So yeah being a monster specialized in intimidation mean nothing.
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Final time, it’s willpower based. Direwolves not named Ranga are massively weaker than Ranga due to the whole naming convention. Scizor’s species as a whole are on the level of Ranga.
And no, if (note, I say if) the coersion thing doesn’t work, the only “massive outhax” that Ranga has is the shadow travel. Roar doesn’t negate durability if the profile’s description is anything to go by, especially given sound falls under Normal type which gets resisted. It’d be low hax vs no hax.
Finally, Scizor’s do boost then attack. It’s been their primary competitive strategy since Platinum.
And no, if (note, I say if) the coersion thing doesn’t work, the only “massive outhax” that Ranga has is the shadow travel. Roar doesn’t negate durability if the profile’s description is anything to go by, especially given sound falls under Normal type which gets resisted. It’d be low hax vs no hax.
Finally, Scizor’s do boost then attack. It’s been their primary competitive strategy since Platinum.
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I still don't get why do you keep bringing up competitive, which is completely gameplay based and not canon to the games themselves, as your argument on how Scizor fights.
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But Cal being monster specialized in intimidation doesnt instantly give you a very strong willpower. If he have feats you must add it to his profile that he have a strong willpower. intimidates is just you scaring people which doesnt need willpower but a scary look/something that is feared by people.
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