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@ShockingPsychic Can i put you on agree then?
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Sans's soul Lifting strenght
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Basically the Asgore and Asriel ones must be attacking the physical body otherwise you're saying that they're pulling out the heart to specifically attack it for example.
See above.
The whole point is Frisk going to pat her wings. A heart can't do that.
Or maybe it's just a way to make Frisk dodge the thing when they don't completely avoid it.
Dude. You're telling me Frisk was just at distance when literally before the fight there was their sprite instead of the SOUL?
Tell me how it's wrong. Because it's not the Soul that's shooting, it's the phone.
Yeah, no. They explicitly need the jetpack for that.
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So about the SOUL being inside the body...
Frisk can use their own soul to look into Papyrus' shoulder, which makes him comment how Frisk's using a floating heart to touch that, the shoulder being higher than the size of Frisk's body.
Frisk can use their own soul to look into Papyrus' shoulder, which makes him comment how Frisk's using a floating heart to touch that, the shoulder being higher than the size of Frisk's body.
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How, Frisk won't get taller out of nowhere
There's also no indication of Papyrus just ducking
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Would this be enough to get Law hax to Undertale?
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There's also Asriel paralyzing Frisk's body, but their SOUL being able to evade Asriel's attacks
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It's literally just a random thing that not only is unexplainable but gets literally contradicted.
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That's just another inconsistency though.
Man y'all should stop using the exact same stuff, I might need to make a discussion rule at this point.
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But they are tho thats what were saying. Youre soul leaves your body in a fight
No frisk didn’t pat their wings they got super close if they did touch their wings frisk would’ve been damaged
Then it manipulated the soul. Souls turn a different colour all the time due to magic why wouldn’t it work here?
Limited flight or levitation then
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Last time I did that it was ruled out as just being like, a verse specific law to UT, rather than like an ability everyone would get
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Voting neutral for now.
I always thought the soul in battle was a representtion of Frisk themselves(both body and soul) so every attack that hit the body effected the soul.
But I can see sans having all his soul hax dura neg and law maipulation it might be a possibility.
I always thought the soul in battle was a representtion of Frisk themselves(both body and soul) so every attack that hit the body effected the soul.
But I can see sans having all his soul hax dura neg and law maipulation it might be a possibility.
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Dawg nothing here is inconsistent its very clear that frisk soul leaves their body in a fight.
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Inverted Fate does follow the current way we treat it with the SOUL never leaving the body, but I think the other interpretation is also pretty valid
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Soul leaving frisks body before a fight
Unless you want to say that frisk ran over there for absolutely no reason
Unless you want to say that frisk ran over there for absolutely no reason
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... it's just displaying the entrance in the battle mode, how the hell is the game's graphic supposed to showcase that?
Don't you dare use the greater dog because it's a whole different case.
Just saying "it's like this because I say so" is not a refute.
Plus 1:13, it's clear as hell that the SOUL is in the body.
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guys, you don't need to take every abstraction as a lore mechanic just because undertale is a little meta
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In what universe is that clear as hell?
If anything it looks like the soul is leaving the body
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A little?
Hmm. Not sure on that one chief. Gerson literally says he cannot be defeated because you cannot FIGHT him
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And also there is way more evidence supporting the soul leaving the body than staying in it nobody here is making up evidence
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Most fanworks do have Frisk's SOUL shimmer over their chest, which wouldn't contradict both the "Inside body" and "Outside body" arguments, as far as I'm aware
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Dude, you've literally used Inverted Fate to oppose Photoshop Flowey getting Unknown tier.
Don't do it here too, thanks.
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Thanks, i am aware of that. please refer to Undyne freely chucking spears at you outside of a FIGHT for evidence that that's not a particularly consistent thing
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"And then, during Asriel's fight, the flavor text "Can't move your body" is in-between two attacks that you move the soul to dodge"
You also have yet refute this statement and dont say "It's an inconsistency" Because thats a bad arguement considering the amount of evidence that supports it
You also have yet refute this statement and dont say "It's an inconsistency" Because thats a bad arguement considering the amount of evidence that supports it
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Lets not ignore that the second we are hit by a spear instead of being damaged we go inside to a FIGHT.
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To be fair I think it's a thing that's available only in shops, as not even Burgerpants was afraid.
However Mettaton was about to use fire stuff against Frisk had it not for Alphys, and that was outside a FIGHT.
But besides, yeah, UT being centered over metafiction doesn't mean that every game mechanic is canon, that's absurd.
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There's also flavortext from Greater Dog that says you are being held down yet you move the soul.
It's as crystal clear as can be, there is no counter argument here besides semantics
It's as crystal clear as can be, there is no counter argument here besides semantics
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Dawg either read any comment on this thread or leave. At this point it seems like youre just ignoring all evidence
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"And then, during Asriel's fight, the flavor text "Can't move your body" is in-between two attacks that you move the soul to dodge"
"There's also flavortext from Greater Dog that says you are being held down yet you move the soul."
"Papyrus mentions you touching his bicep with a "floating heart" during his date"
Flowey literally says HE CAN SEE YOUR SOUL (This right here should be the end of the discussion since its an outright statement that he can see your soul)
It literally cannot get more clear than this
"There's also flavortext from Greater Dog that says you are being held down yet you move the soul."
"Papyrus mentions you touching his bicep with a "floating heart" during his date"
Flowey literally says HE CAN SEE YOUR SOUL (This right here should be the end of the discussion since its an outright statement that he can see your soul)
It literally cannot get more clear than this
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You've literally "countered" all of my stuff with "it's clearly the soul" when it just can't be the case.
The phone thing being the primary thing, Tsunderplane that needs to be physically approached and patted to be spared, etc.
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This would imply that tsundere plane somehow multiplied her self sinse there is multiple planes You need to get close in that fight lol.
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Ight bruh imma lay it all out for ya here.
Didn't touch the plane girl as ive already said although apparently you ignored that.
The phone could just as easily been magic. Similar to how undynes green mode or papyrus and sans' blue mode. Again as ive said before
"You've literally "countered" all of my stuff with "it's clearly the soul" when it just can't be the case."
For the love of god youre doing exactly what you accused me of doing earlier. You have literally every piece of evidence against the claim that frisks body and soul are acting as one. this statement alone disproves that: "And then, during Asriel's fight, the flavor text "Can't move your body" is in-between two attacks that you move the soul to dodge"
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This thread is too bloated to get accepted at this point, might as well make a new thread with a more elaborate opening
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I'll go to another thread to continue, but how did we forget Muffet??? The whole fight takes place while Frisk is tied up in webbing
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And their movement is limited as a result.
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Only once Muffet turns their SOUL purple, their SOUL's movement was the usual before that Tea Cup Attack
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