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His main soul does not move
Nope. Possibly is only if there's at least a clue pointing at this. In this case there's none.True. Thats why I think this is a possibility but I am not sure if it should be added. I am neutral.
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His main soul does not move
Nope. Possibly is only if there's at least a clue pointing at this. In this case there's none.True. Thats why I think this is a possibility but I am not sure if it should be added. I am neutral.
but there is thoNope. Possibly is only if there's at least a clue pointing at this. In this case there's none.
Alright, tell.but there is tho
He attacks Charas soul specifically why should physical stats play any role at all in his tk?Alright, tell.
Why you gotta roast me ;-;This is one of the most ridiculous threads ever.
You’re the most ridiculous thread everThis is one of the most ridiculous threads ever.
Idk that seems better for me. I will wait for staffs opinion since now we have 1 agreementShould i make it as possibly and instead of full negation?
AlrightIdk that seems better for me. I will wait for staffs opinion since now we have 1 agreement
Sorry pal I love you. Don't love the thread. But I do love you if that counts for anything.Why you gotta roast me ;-;
He attacks Charas soul specifically why should physical stats play any role at all in his tk?
I feel like you're forgetting that UT has more than the Sans' fight.Plus I think the SOUL modes are just a way to display how Frisk gets generally affected from this, examples are the Purple SOUL which shows that Frisk is simply trapped in webs, the Yellow that Frisk is using the phone to shoot bullets, so what exactly says that Blue is not just Frisk being attacked from TK?
Wait, I thought you and omega agreed too?Idk that seems better for me. I will wait for staffs opinion since now we have 1 agreement
Works for meSorry pal I love you. Don't love the thread. But I do love you if that counts for anything.
I am neutralWait, I thought you and omega agreed too?
Lemme fix it thenI am neutral
You could make the argument that sans has a different form of magic.I feel like you're forgetting that UT has more than the Sans' fight.
I think the moment you have something especial like KR, You can kinda say it's at bare minimum a especial kind of magicYou could make the argument that sans has a different form of magic.
AgreeAlso if the truth is that the soul is just frisks body then this makes stuff alot more messy.
Always had a problem with that tooBecause this would imply that frisk is capable of flight
Based on what?You could make the argument that sans has a different form of magic.
Literally every monster in the game can attack the soul...Unlike most monsters he heavily relies on attacking the soul to get the job done so atleast to me it feels more likely that he going after frisks soul specifically.
You are, again, taking stuff literally. It's only displaying how Frisk moves around the bullets, which can be perfectly interpreted as just them moving on the ground but looking from above, other than the fact that it's left to interpretation on purpose how the attacks do indeed affect the actual world, but some details just can't be debated.Also if the truth is that the soul is just frisks body then this makes stuff alot more messy. Because this would imply that frisk is capable of flight
Aka I'd like you to refute all of these.I disagree because arguing this is literally arguing that the characters stare to a literal battle box during the fights, when it was disproved with things like Mettaton, Undyne, Photoshop Flowey/Asriel, Tsunderplane, Vegetoid and Asgore.
The battle box is just a thing to show how Frisk moves during the fight around the bullets, but more than once it was proven that's not a literal thing and multiple situations wouldn't make sense if it is.
Definitely not. If moving the soul moves the body, there's no reason to assume that moving the body doesn't move the soul (and indeed that's how it's portrayed in Undertale). There's absolutely no reason to assume it's a one-way thing."Unknown physically, Class 10 with Magic (Comparable to his brother Papyrus, who can move and control giant bones), Can Possibly Ignore Lifting strenght with SOUL Telekenesis (Lifts the Soul of the opponent instead of the Physical Body)"
Of course but my argument was that he relies on targeting the soul alot moreLiterally every monster in the game can attack the soul...
This would be fine but if that were the case then blue mode makes literally no sense. Papyrus turns you blue and that makes you only capable of "Jumping". What the hell are you jumping on then? Assuming your looking at the battle from above then blue mode would have you fall backwards onto nothing.You are, again, taking stuff literally. It's only displaying how Frisk moves around the bullets, which can be perfectly interpreted as just them moving on the ground but looking from above, other than the fact that it's left to interpretation on purpose how the attacks do indeed affect the actual world, but some details just can't be debated.
You're looking at an abstraction of combat too literally, I don't think it's supposed to be anything like that, it doesn't even make sense with the POV of Undertale unless you're assuming that every enemy is randomly floating directly above you.So at the very least if this thing gets rejected frisk should be given flight
My guy the monsters are made of magic, thus they can attack the Soul with LITERALLY EVERY ATTACK OF THEIRS. The scans are all in the Monster Physiology page if you wonder.Of course but my argument was that he relies on targeting the soul alot more
Or maybe Papyrus' attacks can be dodged only through jumping over instead of simply moving around them like the other monsters?This would be fine but if that were the case then blue mode makes literally no sense. Papyrus turns you blue and that makes you only capable of "Jumping". What the hell are you jumping on then? Assuming your looking at the battle from above then blue mode would have you fall backwards onto nothing.
Ok but that still doesn’t fix the problem if your viewing the battle from above like you said then you’d still be falling backwards into nothing. If you’re viewing the battle from any other perspective now frisk can suddenly flyOr maybe Papyrus' attacks can be dodged only through jumping over instead of simply moving around them like the other monsters?
Then it feels perfectly reasonable that sans just lifts your soul specifically and slams itAnd then, during Asriel's fight, the flavor text "Can't move you body" is in-between two attacks that you move the soul to dodge
Again, you're taking the stuff too literally.Ok but that still doesn’t fix the problem if your viewing the battle from above like you said then you’d still be falling backwards into nothing. If you’re viewing the battle from any other perspective now frisk can suddenly fly
That's literally just a pun, how can you take it seriously.Papyrus mentions you touching his bicep with a "floating heart" during his date
This one is a good argument, sadly it can be argued as just being an inconsistency because of the cases where the SOUL is the same as body far outweigh this single example.And then, during Asriel's fight, the flavor text "Can't move you body" is in-between two attacks that you move the soul to dodge
Because that's exactly what happens??? Why would he say that if there wasn't a floating heart (that we see) touching his bicepsThat's literally just a pun, how can you take it seriously.
I'm making this argument under the assumption that its the full body fightingAgain, you're taking the stuff too literally.
Unless you're telling me that Asgore/Asriel are fighting a literal small heart which is below them.
That paired with the asriel thing makes it seem like theyre soul is fighting seperate from their body.That's literally just a pun, how can you take it seriously.
You're using a literal GAG over tons of context and events happening in serious fights.Because that's exactly what happens??? Why would he say that if there wasn't a floating heart (that we see) touching his biceps
This is the most obvious and literal explanation and is backed up by Asriel's fight
Alright, then explain EACH. OF. THESE.That paired with the asriel thing makes it seem like theyre soul is fighting seperate from their body.
You didn't explain when I asked you the first time, I'm giving you the second chance of doing so.
For the vegetoid thing as proven above where the text said that "You can't move your body" but your soul could still move so you can still move you physical body and soul at the same time.You didn't explain when I asked you the first time, I'm giving you the second chance of doing so.
You didn't explain when I asked you the first time, I'm giving you the second chance of doing so.
Shocking you should make a CRT with these evidence to add Law Hax to monsters. (Fight mechanics)It wasn't directed towards me but those clips prove nothing. In fact, we see the SOUL away from Frisk’s body the second the fight starts
It's very obvious that the SOUL is away from the body.
The SOUL moving away from Frisk when battles start, Flowey mentioning a heart, Papyrus specifically mentioning a floating heart, "Can't move your body" being followed by moving the soul, it's very consistent
Frisk doesn’t even have flight but now that I’m thinking about it, they definitely shouldThis seen strange but I can't think of anything against ignoring conventional LS... It just really fell odd (thinking now, sinse most of the wiki agree blue mode disable flight shouldn't sans have power null for flight?)
Put me on agree with thisShocking you should make a CRT with these evidence to add Law Hax to monsters. (Fight mechanics)
I see a possible powernull for Sans, Atleast for Flight XDFrisk doesn’t even have flight but now that I’m thinking about it, they definitely should