Sans's soul Lifting strenght

[StrymULTRA]

His main soul does not move

But he doesn't have one.

True. Thats why I think this is a possibility but I am not sure if it should be added. I am neutral.

Nope. Possibly is only if there's at least a clue pointing at this. In this case there's none.

 

[King_Dom470]

Nope. Possibly is only if there's at least a clue pointing at this. In this case there's none.

but there is tho

 

[StrymULTRA]

but there is tho

Alright, tell.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

This is one of the most ridiculous threads ever.

 

[King_Dom470]

Alright, tell.

He attacks Charas soul specifically why should physical stats play any role at all in his tk?

We apply the same logic for his other magic attacks so why wouldn’t we do the same here?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

This is one of the most ridiculous threads ever.

Why you gotta roast me ;-;

 

[King_Dom470]

This is one of the most ridiculous threads ever.

You’re the most ridiculous thread ever

 

[ShionAH]

Should i make it as possibly and instead of full negation?

Idk that seems better for me. I will wait for staffs opinion since now we have 1 agreement

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Idk that seems better for me. I will wait for staffs opinion since now we have 1 agreement

Alright

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Why you gotta roast me ;-;

Sorry pal I love you. Don't love the thread. But I do love you if that counts for anything.

 

[StrymULTRA]

He attacks Charas soul specifically why should physical stats play any role at all in his tk?

Plus I think the SOUL modes are just a way to display how Frisk gets generally affected from this, examples are the Purple SOUL which shows that Frisk is simply trapped in webs, the Yellow that Frisk is using the phone to shoot bullets, so what exactly says that Blue is not just Frisk being attacked from TK?

I feel like you're forgetting that UT has more than the Sans' fight.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Idk that seems better for me. I will wait for staffs opinion since now we have 1 agreement

Wait, I thought you and omega agreed too?

Should i remove your votes then?

Sorry pal I love you. Don't love the thread. But I do love you if that counts for anything.

Works for me

 

[ShionAH]

Wait, I thought you and omega agreed too?

I am neutral

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I am neutral

Lemme fix it then

 

[King_Dom470]

I feel like you're forgetting that UT has more than the Sans' fight.

You could make the argument that sans has a different form of magic.

Unlike most monsters he heavily relies on attacking the soul to get the job done so atleast to me it feels more likely that he going after frisks soul specifically.

Also if the truth is that the soul is just frisks body then this makes stuff alot more messy. Because this would imply that frisk is capable of flight

 

[XxZetsuxX]

@omegabronic Are you neutral s'well?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

You could make the argument that sans has a different form of magic.

I think the moment you have something especial like KR, You can kinda say it's at bare minimum a especial kind of magic

Also if the truth is that the soul is just frisks body then this makes stuff alot more messy.

Agree

Because this would imply that frisk is capable of flight

Always had a problem with that too

 

[StrymULTRA]

You could make the argument that sans has a different form of magic.

Based on what?

Unlike most monsters he heavily relies on attacking the soul to get the job done so atleast to me it feels more likely that he going after frisks soul specifically.

Literally every monster in the game can attack the soul...

Also if the truth is that the soul is just frisks body then this makes stuff alot more messy. Because this would imply that frisk is capable of flight

You are, again, taking stuff literally. It's only displaying how Frisk moves around the bullets, which can be perfectly interpreted as just them moving on the ground but looking from above, other than the fact that it's left to interpretation on purpose how the attacks do indeed affect the actual world, but some details just can't be debated.

I disagree because arguing this is literally arguing that the characters stare to a literal battle box during the fights, when it was disproved with things like Mettaton, Undyne, Photoshop Flowey/Asriel, Tsunderplane, Vegetoid and Asgore.

The battle box is just a thing to show how Frisk moves during the fight around the bullets, but more than once it was proven that's not a literal thing and multiple situations wouldn't make sense if it is.

Aka I'd like you to refute all of these.

 

[Armorchompy]

"Unknown physically, Class 10 with Magic (Comparable to his brother Papyrus, who can move and control giant bones), Can Possibly Ignore Lifting strenght with SOUL Telekenesis (Lifts the Soul of the opponent instead of the Physical Body)"

Definitely not. If moving the soul moves the body, there's no reason to assume that moving the body doesn't move the soul (and indeed that's how it's portrayed in Undertale). There's absolutely no reason to assume it's a one-way thing.

 

[King_Dom470]

Literally every monster in the game can attack the soul...

Of course but my argument was that he relies on targeting the soul alot more

You are, again, taking stuff literally. It's only displaying how Frisk moves around the bullets, which can be perfectly interpreted as just them moving on the ground but looking from above, other than the fact that it's left to interpretation on purpose how the attacks do indeed affect the actual world, but some details just can't be debated.

This would be fine but if that were the case then blue mode makes literally no sense. Papyrus turns you blue and that makes you only capable of "Jumping". What the hell are you jumping on then? Assuming your looking at the battle from above then blue mode would have you fall backwards onto nothing.

 

[King_Dom470]

So at the very least if this thing gets rejected frisk should be given flight

 

[Armorchompy]

So at the very least if this thing gets rejected frisk should be given flight

You're looking at an abstraction of combat too literally, I don't think it's supposed to be anything like that, it doesn't even make sense with the POV of Undertale unless you're assuming that every enemy is randomly floating directly above you.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Of course but my argument was that he relies on targeting the soul alot more

My guy the monsters are made of magic, thus they can attack the Soul with LITERALLY EVERY ATTACK OF THEIRS. The scans are all in the Monster Physiology page if you wonder.

This would be fine but if that were the case then blue mode makes literally no sense. Papyrus turns you blue and that makes you only capable of "Jumping". What the hell are you jumping on then? Assuming your looking at the battle from above then blue mode would have you fall backwards onto nothing.

Or maybe Papyrus' attacks can be dodged only through jumping over instead of simply moving around them like the other monsters?

 

[King_Dom470]

Or maybe Papyrus' attacks can be dodged only through jumping over instead of simply moving around them like the other monsters?

Ok but that still doesn’t fix the problem if your viewing the battle from above like you said then you’d still be falling backwards into nothing. If you’re viewing the battle from any other perspective now frisk can suddenly fly

 

[ShockingPsychic]

The SOUL isn't one with the physical body, there are two times where this is explicit.

Papyrus mentions you touching his bicep with a "floating heart" during his date

And then, during Asriel's fight, the flavor text "Can't move your body" is in-between two attacks that you move the soul to dodge

Doesn't get more clear than that. The soul also reflects damage to Frisk’s body though, as seen via Mettaton flavortext

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

So undertale characters can just take out the soul of the body?

 

[King_Dom470]

And then, during Asriel's fight, the flavor text "Can't move you body" is in-between two attacks that you move the soul to dodge

Then it feels perfectly reasonable that sans just lifts your soul specifically and slams it

 

[StrymULTRA]

Ok but that still doesn’t fix the problem if your viewing the battle from above like you said then you’d still be falling backwards into nothing. If you’re viewing the battle from any other perspective now frisk can suddenly fly

Again, you're taking the stuff too literally.

Unless you're telling me that Asgore/Asriel are fighting a literal small heart which is below them.

Papyrus mentions you touching his bicep with a "floating heart" during his date

That's literally just a pun, how can you take it seriously.

And then, during Asriel's fight, the flavor text "Can't move you body" is in-between two attacks that you move the soul to dodge

This one is a good argument, sadly it can be argued as just being an inconsistency because of the cases where the SOUL is the same as body far outweigh this single example.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

That's literally just a pun, how can you take it seriously.

Because that's exactly what happens??? Why would he say that if there wasn't a floating heart (that we see) touching his biceps

This is the most obvious and literal explanation and is backed up by Asriel's fight

 

[King_Dom470]

Again, you're taking the stuff too literally.

Unless you're telling me that Asgore/Asriel are fighting a literal small heart which is below them.

I'm making this argument under the assumption that its the full body fighting

That's literally just a pun, how can you take it seriously.

That paired with the asriel thing makes it seem like theyre soul is fighting seperate from their body.

Also in the very beginning flowey literally says Something along the lines of "See that heart? Thats your soul!" making it clear that he can see it

 

[StrymULTRA]

Because that's exactly what happens??? Why would he say that if there wasn't a floating heart (that we see) touching his biceps

This is the most obvious and literal explanation and is backed up by Asriel's fight

You're using a literal GAG over tons of context and events happening in serious fights.

I just can't.

That paired with the asriel thing makes it seem like theyre soul is fighting seperate from their body.

Alright, then explain EACH. OF. THESE.

Mettaton, Undyne, Photoshop Flowey/Asriel, Tsunderplane, Vegetoid and Asgore.

You didn't explain when I asked you the first time, I'm giving you the second chance of doing so.

 

[ShionAH]

Intresting.

Law hax for all monsters because of fight mechanics when??

 

[King_Dom470]

You didn't explain when I asked you the first time, I'm giving you the second chance of doing so.

For the vegetoid thing as proven above where the text said that "You can't move your body" but your soul could still move so you can still move you physical body and soul at the same time.

Asgore: Idk what your point is there Frisk dodged shit i guess

Tsunderplane: You can literally see in the fight that your soul is the thing getting closer to the planes

Asriel: Again frisk dodging stuff i dont get it

Flowey: Again dodging stuff i still dont see your point

Undyne: The soul isn’t in Hawaii when it’s not in a fight it makes sense that it resides in your body and is pulled out when engaging in a fight

Mettaton: Idk what your point is but if your trying to imply what i think you are that would again make things very messy. Because we know the body and the soul are seperate things so if your saying that this is proof that the soul is a representation of frisk's physical body then thats wrong

 

[ShockingPsychic]

It wasn't directed towards me but those clips prove nothing. In fact, we see the SOUL away from Frisk’s body the second the fight starts

It's very obvious that the SOUL is away from the body.

The SOUL moving away from Frisk when battles start, Flowey mentioning a heart, Papyrus specifically mentioning a floating heart, "Can't move your body" being followed by moving the soul, it's very consistent

 

[Armorchompy]

You didn't explain when I asked you the first time, I'm giving you the second chance of doing so.

I don't actually get half of these you should probably explain

 

[ShionAH]

It wasn't directed towards me but those clips prove nothing. In fact, we see the SOUL away from Frisk’s body the second the fight starts

It's very obvious that the SOUL is away from the body.

The SOUL moving away from Frisk when battles start, Flowey mentioning a heart, Papyrus specifically mentioning a floating heart, "Can't move your body" being followed by moving the soul, it's very consistent

Shocking you should make a CRT with these evidence to add Law Hax to monsters. (Fight mechanics)

 

[JustANormalLemon]

This seen strange but I can't think of anything against ignoring conventional LS... It just really fell odd (thinking now, sinse most of the wiki agree blue mode disable flight shouldn't sans have power null for flight?)

 

[King_Dom470]

This seen strange but I can't think of anything against ignoring conventional LS... It just really fell odd (thinking now, sinse most of the wiki agree blue mode disable flight shouldn't sans have power null for flight?)

Frisk doesn’t even have flight but now that I’m thinking about it, they definitely should

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Shocking you should make a CRT with these evidence to add Law Hax to monsters. (Fight mechanics)

Put me on agree with this

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Frisk doesn’t even have flight but now that I’m thinking about it, they definitely should

I see a possible powernull for Sans, Atleast for Flight XD