Sans VS Janemba (Shin Budokai)

[SomebodyData]

I mean, he's definitely multi-universal range at the least with his space-time abilities, and could probably use them to warp attacks other places (but he never really does, because he's usually pretty mindless and relies on animalistic raw power with the occasional burst of strategy), but with just generic ki attacks? Idk. Probably the same as most of DBZ's top tiers? His ki output was usually around that level.

Bruh...

 

[Primaris_Brian]

like seriously now this janemba nonsense has started with an attack that he literally not have the feats to do but also he never ever reliable or bothering to even use.

I can literally say that about all of Sans vsbattles stats, as none of whats described is actually mentioned ingame.

like all his ability? then why it even been listed in here?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Bruh...

Yes and?

 

[MirthfulDoggedness]

@Mirthful I'm 99% sure you don't even know what you're saying "this" to. Please, its hard enough to respond to everyone.
@Not Jim Sterling I don't know? I mean, its in his arsenal, an omnidirection attack i mean

@Azathoth, I see, can you state his actual ap and range then? Reliying on the page seems to not cut it anymore, since a lot of context is not there.

If I'm directly quoting you, I'm directly talking to you. I was referring to Azy with "This".

 

[SomebodyData]

You imply Janemba WILL hit first, when it can go either way, or both hit each other. And yes, yes he can, if we're assuming KR will hit him like a truck, like it did Frisk. Since we're also assuming these "Sins" are killing people.

Actually as far as I know, Janemba didn't kill anyone, really it depends on whether or not we count the evil energy as sins.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

like seriously now this janemba nonsense has started with an attack that he literally not have the feats to do but also he never ever reliable or bothering to even use.

I can literally say that about all of Sans vsbattles stats, as none of whats described is actually mentioned ingame.

Janemba is comparable to Chara, check Chara, then check Janemba.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Actually as far as I know, Janemba didn't kill anyone, really it depends on whether or not we count the evil energy as sins.

He's literally made of all the evil things people do in their lives condensed into a sentient being.

 

[SomebodyData]

Yes and?

Wouldn't that put him at Tier 4-A?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

You imply Janemba WILL hit first, when it can go either way, or both hit each other. And yes, yes he can, if we're assuming KR will hit him like a truck, like it did Frisk. Since we're also assuming these "Sins" are killing people.

Actually as far as I know, Janemba didn't kill anyone, really it depends on whether or not we count the evil energy as sins.

Janemba is the living embodiment of evil in HELL

 

[Pocket-Chu]

Was Sans still able to attack after he was defeated? and I doubt he'd be able to kill someone with godly-regen in just a few minutes.

You imply Janemba WILL hit first, when it can go either way, or both hit each other. And yes, yes he can, if we're assuming KR will hit him like a truck, like it did Frisk. Since we're also assuming these "Sins" are killing people.

You didn't really answer my question, because if Sans can't keep on attacking then it doesn't matter if he hits first or if they hit at the same time because Janemba has regen and Sans dos not.

 

[SomebodyData]

If I'm directly quoting you, I'm directly talking to you. I was referring to Azy with "This".

No offence but when you say "this" you're really not bringing anything to the table.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Wouldn't that put him at Tier 4-A?

As I said before, manifested bodies vary in power, and he can still use his other powers to buff his defense or make himself stronger by putting more evil energy into a single body. I'm simply pointing out that being 2-C via space-time powers does not make the ki output of every body he manifests 2-C.

 

[MirthfulDoggedness]

You imply Janemba WILL hit first, when it can go either way, or both hit each other. And yes, yes he can, if we're assuming KR will hit him like a truck, like it did Frisk. Since we're also assuming these "Sins" are killing people.

Actually as far as I know, Janemba didn't kill anyone, really it depends on whether or not we count the evil energy as sins.

KR seems to only take affect when someone killed another, and the amount of KR increases for every person killed. Either Sans causes massive damage with KR or bust, because if Janemba didn't kill anyone, Sans' bones and Gaster Blasters would bounce right off of him, thus making this a stomp thread.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

This is easily one of the most heated vs threads I've ever been in, Azzy, request until further facts on characters are determined, to make this inconclusive.

 

[Pocket-Chu]

Also guys quick question, how does equalized speed work when one person is omnipresent?

Nigh-omnipresent, and that's only as an essence present across multiple timelines, not attack speed. In fact, I think the reason speed was equalized in the first place was due to physical Janemba's speed varying depending on the body he was creating as well as lacking a defined speed or feats to define said speed.

Sorry I think I was a little too vague with my question. Basically what I'm asking is does the other character become omnipresent also or does the onmipresent person get their speed lowered to their opponents?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

This is easily one of the most heated vs threads I've ever been in, Azzy, request until further facts on characters are determined, to make this inconclusive.

the same does with hades and thanos vs janemba thread.

 

[MirthfulDoggedness]

Was Sans still able to attack after he was defeated? and I doubt he'd be able to kill someone with godly-regen in just a few minutes.

You imply Janemba WILL hit first, when it can go either way, or both hit each other. And yes, yes he can, if we're assuming KR will hit him like a truck, like it did Frisk. Since we're also assuming these "Sins" are killing people.

You didn't really answer my question, because if Sans can't keep on attacking then it doesn't matter if he hits first or if they hit at the same time because Janemba has regen and Sans dos not.

Regenerationn for his entire essence? I highly doubt it, if it hits like a truck like it did to Charisk, then Janemba is messed over.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

This is easily one of the most heated vs threads I've ever been in, Azzy, request until further facts on characters are determined, to make this inconclusive.

the same does with hades and thanos vs janemba thread.

Oh god.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Sorry I think I was a little too vague with my question. Basically what I'm asking is does the other character become omnipresent also or does the onmipresent person get their speed lowered to their opponents?

I guess it's sort of a case by case basis, thing? In this case, since neither party ever fights at nigh-omnipresent or omnipresent speeds, I'm assuming they're both just "the same speed", regardless of what that is.

 

[MirthfulDoggedness]

If I'm directly quoting you, I'm directly talking to you. I was referring to Azy with "This".

No offence but when you say "this" you're really not bringing anything to the table.

That I know, and no offense is taken. I was just saying I agreed entirely with Azy.

 

[SomebodyData]

As I said before, manifested bodies vary in power, and he can still use his other powers to buff his defense or make himself stronger by putting more evil energy into a single body. I'm simply pointing out that being 2-C via space-time powers does not make the ki output of every body he manifests 2-C.

Ah I see, I feel that maybe you should mention that on his page...

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Sorry I think I was a little too vague with my question. Basically what I'm asking is does the other character become omnipresent also or does the onmipresent person get their speed lowered to their opponents?

doesn't matter since janemba cannot directly attack in his nigh omnipresent state and have no speed feats to blizz someone anyway.

 

[MirthfulDoggedness]

Also guys quick question, how does equalized speed work when one person is omnipresent?

Nigh-omnipresent, and that's only as an essence present across multiple timelines, not attack speed. In fact, I think the reason speed was equalized in the first place was due to physical Janemba's speed varying depending on the body he was creating as well as lacking a defined speed or feats to define said speed.

Sorry I think I was a little too vague with my question. Basically what I'm asking is does the other character become omnipresent also or does the onmipresent person get their speed lowered to their opponents?

Whatever works, really. Doesn't matter at all.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Ah I see, I feel that maybe you should mention that on his page...

I thought I made some mention of variable bodies. If not, I will in a bit.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

As I said before, manifested bodies vary in power, and he can still use his other powers to buff his defense or make himself stronger by putting more evil energy into a single body. I'm simply pointing out that being 2-C via space-time powers does not make the ki output of every body he manifests 2-C.

Ah I see, I feel that maybe you should mention that on his page...

there are char that is on that level because of their warping or concept hax and not because they can kamehameha the entire universe.

 

[Pocket-Chu]

I'd like to say no to making this an inconclusive match, it's far more likely that Janemba would win as he has more ways of defeating Sans than the latter has for defeating Janemba. I mean pretty much any attack Janemba uses will kill Sans while the somehow fat skeleton can only rely on KR, if that doesn't effect Janemba then Sans is pretty much screwed.

Well you could always just close the thread and not add this match to anyone's page.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

I'd like to say no to making this an inconclusive match, it's far more likely that Janemba would win as he has more ways of defeating Sans than the latter has for defeating Janemba. I mean pretty much any attack Janemba uses will kill Sans while the somehow fat skeleton can only rely on KR, if that doesn't effect Janemba then Sans is pretty much screwed.
Well you could always just close the thread and not add this match to anyone's page

"Can only rely on KR" oh you know, except his space, time, reality, and soul manipulation.

 

[SomebodyData]

If this is true can't Janemba just warp reality til Sans really can't do anything?

 

[MirthfulDoggedness]

I agree with the motion of it being inconclusive. And please do not have it added to Sans' nor Janemba's profiles, Sans has way too many in his inconclusive list.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

If this is true can't Janemba just warp reality til Sans really can't do anything?

he never warp anyone directly in combat.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I'd like to say no to making this an inconclusive match, it's far more likely that Janemba would win as he has more ways of defeating Sans than the latter has for defeating Janemba. I mean pretty much any attack Janemba uses will kill Sans while the somehow fat skeleton can only rely on KR, if that doesn't effect Janemba then Sans is pretty much screwed.
Well you could always just close the thread and not add this match to anyone's page.

The HST has an incredible amount of ways to kill Goku while Goku only has like...one or two ways to kill them. Doesn't stop him from blitzing and murdering everyone with tier 3 power. I'm pretty sure the entire thing that's being argued is who is more likely to hit first, as that's going to be the deciding factor.

 

[Penguinkingpin]

I agree with the motion of it being inconclusive. And please do not have it added to Sans' nor Janemba's profiles, Sans has way too many in his inconclusive list.

Agreed, this thread has essentially turned into Evil vs Good, which can be debated into literal dirt.

 

[SomebodyData]

"Can only rely on KR" oh you know, except his space, time, reality, and soul manipulation.

Well as far as I know the soul part comes from KR and affecting the movement of Frisk's soul, the other ones are unknown to me, can u provide examples of how effective they are?

 

[Penguinkingpin]

"Can only rely on KR" oh you know, except his space, time, reality, and soul manipulation.

Well as far as I know the soul part comes from KR and affecting the movement of Frisk's soul, the other ones are unknown to me, can u provide examples of how effective they are?

In his fight, he can manipulate the soul to be a certain place which could be considered space, not entirely sure, you'd have to ask Aza on that.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I agree with the motion of it being inconclusive. And please do not have it added to Sans' nor Janemba's profiles, Sans has way too many in his inconclusive list.

The amount of Sans threads which will inevitably be inconclusive is almost as cancerous as the amount of Saitama threads which will inevitably be losses.

 

[Pocket-Chu]

I'd like to say no to making this an inconclusive match, it's far more likely that Janemba would win as he has more ways of defeating Sans than the latter has for defeating Janemba. I mean pretty much any attack Janemba uses will kill Sans while the somehow fat skeleton can only rely on KR, if that doesn't effect Janemba then Sans is pretty much screwed.
Well you could always just close the thread and not add this match to anyone's page

"Can only rely on KR" oh you know, except his space, time, reality, and soul manipulation.

Ummmm.....Janemba has those types of hax as well so it doesn't really matter, and it says on his page that he's resistant to soul manipulation, so again Sans really only has KR :I

 

[Penguinkingpin]

Honestly, it's 1 am and my brain isn't working at maximum because of a severe severe nosebleed which filled my bathroom sink to about 1/8 of blood

 

[Primaris_Brian]

"Can only rely on KR" oh you know, except his space, time, reality, and soul manipulation.

Ummmm.....Janemba has those types of hax as well so it doesn't really matter, and it says on his page that he's resistant to soul manipulation, so again Sans really only has KR :I

and he never use them directly in combat. he only use them to mess up the environment.

 

[SomebodyData]

and he never use them directly in combat. he only use them to mess up the environment.

As far as I know Sans didn't use his reality/space/time manipulation in combat either

 

[MirthfulDoggedness]

Azy, why does Sans have "Soul Manipulation" listed, when Souls are the very culiminated being of something (Unlike just their soul being manipulated)? I need this clarified.