Sans Intelligence

[RinneItachi]

Oh wait.

"Papyrus-"I ALWAYS JUMP OVER THE GAP INSTEAD OF SOLVING THE PUZZLE. SANS NEVER SOLVES IT EITHER. HE ALWAYS JUST... UM... GETS ACROSS. I THINK HE HAS A SHORTCUT OR SOMETHING."
Btw this is a potentially good Papyrus feat. He jumps over a pretty massive gap of many tens of meters in one bound, and he does it consistently, like it's easy for him, might be worth looking into? I'll make note of it."

I misremembered what the "gap" was that he was referring to. The gap is actually rather small (a bit larger than Frisk's height so probably around 5 feet) and at best it's just rather athletic. Nvm that. I thought that the puzzle activated the entire bridge, not just a small portion of it. Explains why I've never seen that mentioned before. I saw that and I was like "You WHAT".

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I mean sure, if you want me to go into all of the "Theory-Bait Lore Mystery Shenanigans", I'll just make a list, but I doubt it would really be productive.

Sans:

To start with the obvious.

Sans-"that expression you're wearing...that's the expression of someone who died twice in a row."
Etc.. Nothing to be added here we all know the run down.

Sans-"our reports showed a massive anomaly in the time-space continuum. timelines jumping left and right, stopping and starting. until suddenly, everything ends." "i always thought the anomaly was doing this because they were unhappy. and when they got what they wanted, they would stop all this. and maybe all they needed was...i dunno. some good food, some bad laughs, some nice friends." Same as above.

"look, i gave up trying to go back a long time ago. and getting to the surface doesn't really appeal anymore, either. or maybe that's just a poor excuse for being really lazy? hell if i know. all i know is, seeing what comes next...i can't afford not to care anymore."
Been discussed to hell and back already but like yeah, Sans wanted to go "back" somewhere (or possibly some "when"), and he specifically differentiates this from the surface. Even in the Pacifist Ending he seems to utterly not care about being on the surface. He mentions that he has since given up on trying to go back, however. Meaning obviously he attempted to do something and failed.

Sans-"wait a second. that look on your face while i was talking. you've already heard my spiel, haven't you? i suspected something like this. you're always acting like you know what's going to happen. like you've seen it all before. i kind of have a secret codeword that only i know. so i know if someone tells it to me...they'll have to be a time traveller. crazy, right? anyway, here it is... (whisper) (whisper) i'm counting on you to come back here and tell me that. see you later."
Etc..

Secret Room;
"(There's a photo album inside the drawer. There are photos of Sans with a lot of people you don't recognize. He looks happy.)
Note; The dialogue specifies that the photos are "of Sans", specifying that the other people are "with" him. Meaning that he is the center focus of the photos.
"(You look in the drawer.) (There's some kind of badge.)"
Obviously implying he had a badge to designate him as some kind of scientist.
"(Blueprints.) (You can't read the symbols they're written in...) (...or maybe it's just the hand writing.) (Looks like they relate to some kind of strange machine.)"
On one hand, Wind-Ding's would commonly be described as symbols by the average person, and well, they are. On the other hand, Alphys is explicitly said to have terrible "chicken-scratch" handwriting. It's one of them that helped Sans make the machine, I mean shit they literally gave him the blueprints for it. It's most likely Alphys as the game says "or maybe it's just the hand writing".
"(There's a strange machine behind the curtain.) (it seems to be broken.)"
Obviously referring to the machine in the blueprints. Toby is very careful with choosing his words.
Don't even get me started on the image of 3 people with the words "Don't forget" written on it, which literally confirms that Sans has some significance to Deltarune, if nothing else.

Papyrus-"I ALWAYS JUMP OVER THE GAP INSTEAD OF SOLVING THE PUZZLE. SANS NEVER SOLVES IT EITHER. HE ALWAYS JUST... UM... GETS ACROSS. I THINK HE HAS A SHORTCUT OR SOMETHING."
Btw this is a potentially good Papyrus feat. He jumps over a pretty massive gap of many tens of meters in one bound, and he does it consistently, like it's easy for him, might be worth looking into? I'll make note of it.

Undyne often refers to Sans as just Papyrus' brother, implying that she doesn't really know him despite him being close to Alphys and, well, Papyrus.

Papyrus-"YOU'RE IN MY HOUSE. GOOD CHOICE! THOUGH I GUESS IT'S TECHNICALLY SANS'S HOUSE TOO. BUT I PREFER NOT TO DISCUSS HIS PART OF IT. HIS ROOM IS... IT'S LIKE ANOTHER WORLD! A WORLD WHERE THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO VACUUM. YOU'RE BEST STAYING AWAY FROM THAT STRANGE PLACE."
No further comment needed.

One of the puzzles in Snowdin is a crossword puzzle with a drawing of the mascot for ICE-E's on it, a character never mentioned in Undertale even once but shown directly in Deltarune, as the mascot of a pizza place literally down the street from Sans' (Deltarune) very house, and Sans probably would love pizza given his personality and taste for junk food.

Undyne-"This is Papyrus's brother's station. I'm always catching him slacking off, or sleeping... But his results are JUST good enough to not fire him. Well, except today. He didn't tell me ANYTHING about you."
Minor but noteworthy.

Papyrus-"HUH? SANS ISN'T PLAYING WITH HIS TELESCOPE? WOWIE!!! MAYBE HE WENT TO WORK!!! WOW!!! AM I ALLOWED TO BE PROUD???"
Alt-"HUH? MY BROTHER? OF COURSE HE HAS A TELESCOPE. SANS LOVES OUTER SPACEY SCI-FI STUFF. HMM? HE NEVER TOLD YOU?? YEAH, SANS NEVER TELLS ANYBODY ANYTHING!"

Papyrus-"A LAB??? MY BROTHER WOULD LOVE THAT! HE LOVES SCIENCE FICTION!! ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S REAL."
Also, inconsistent as Papyrus didn't know what a laboratory is in another instance and didn't seem to learn what it is, either. Smh Toby plot holes. But anyways ye Sans scientist stuff.

River Person-"Tra la la. Beware the man who came from another world."
In addition to;
"Don't snoop behind people's houses. You might be mistaken for a trash-can."
Probably unintentional but Sans and the word trash are very commonly related to each other, not just by Flowey but by Papyrus as well, and the only house that has a back room is the skeleton house, so River Person is probably talking about that.

"Beware the man who speaks in hands."
Don't need to comment on this everyone and their mother knows the significance of this to another character.

"The Angel is coming." and "Did you ever hear the old song coming from the sea."
Both very likely references to Deltarune.

Sans (Deltarune)-"(Winking) especially considering I've never met you before."

The door used for Sans' room is identical to the doors used as teleportation fast-travel stations, or rather, shortcuts, in Deltarune. Considering that Sans definitely didn't construct the doors used in the Dark World's, a lot could be said on this.

You get the picture. Could list more but long enough already.

Alphys:

Papyrus-"HMMM... A MYSTERIOUS SCIENCE HOUSE."
Sans-"the sign outside says "lab.""
Papyrus-"LAB?"
Sans-"like... laboratory."
Papyrus-"LABRADOR... Y? DOES THAT MEAN THERE ARE DOGS INSIDE?"
Sans-"i mean. (Winks) i wouldn't rule it out."
The fact that Alphys is perfectly fine with Sans very blatantly knowing about the Amalgamates, means she clearly has immense trust in and respect for him.

I forgot to mention this earlier but Alphys LITERALLY says that she has researched alternative timelines and KNOWS they exist. She mentions it during Mettaton's quiz, which obviously ties in with the whole "our reports" thing. Skip to 1:55

Among the multitude of camera's Alphys has, two of them are literally right next to areas that Sans is usually at, including his god damn SENTRY STATION. Implying that she is probably especially concerned for his well being, as it's a stretch to say she's spying on him, let alone that he wouldn't notice and be bothered by it.

Undyne-"Oh man!!! We're gonna be able to watch anime online?!"
Alphys-"Of course, Undyne! What do you think we've been fighting for all along?"
Sans-"yeah, what do you-. whoops."
Alphys-"Jinx! I knew you were gonna make that joke!"
Papyrus-"WAIT. ALPHYS. I DIDN'T KNOW YOU KNEW SANS!"
Alphys (profusely sweating)-"W-Well, I...-"
Sans-"doesn't everybody?"

RinneItachi-"HMMMMMMMMM NO IMPLICATIONS HERE. CLEARLY ALPHYS BEING NERVOUS AT THE MERE MENTION OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP, AND SANS IMMEDIATELY COVERING FOR HER TO DILUTE THE SITUATION, IS IRRELEVANT!!!"

"Papyrus-OH-HO!!! THE PUZZLE THAT DR. ALPHYS MADE! I HAD TO ASK UNDYNE TO ASK HER TO MAKE ONE. I ONLY FOLLOW HER ONLINE... I'M NOT REALLY FRIENDS WITH HER... YET!!!!"
So Alphys is good friends with Sans but doesn't really know Papyrus at all, the most important person to Sans by a mile. Clearly not significant!

So basically Alphys and Sans have a deep and old friendship.

Gaster:

I mean most of this is common knowledge or just not significant to the thread. Probably a skeleton for a multitude of reasons. Related to Sans in some way, objectively speaking. The former Royal Scientist, the creator of the CORE and presumably the True Lab. Was working with two people at the creation of his experiment mentioned in Entry Number Seventeen (not Entry Number "17" keep in mind, that one was made by Alphys wink wink). Those two people could be anyone, but the most likely candidates are Sans and Alphys, or Sans and Papyrus. However, it's a pretty known fact that Papyrus knows literally nothing about the weird science shenanigans going on with his brother, so I would guess that it's Sans and Alphys, who went on to literally take over his position as the Royal Scientist anyways. Keep in mind it's not confirmed that anyone who knew Gaster in the Undertale timeline forgot about him. It's implied that it might be the case, but the idea only came from Goner Kid talking about how the world wouldn't change at all without your presence in it, how, even if you never existed, nothing would really be different in the grand scheme of things, which people obviously think could be Gaster speaking through Monster Kid, or just an alternate version of Monster Kid.

Anyways I'm getting a little sidetracked. Basically Sans MOST LIKELY worked alongside scientists that were 100% Extraordinary Genius, in a group of many scientists, possibly and likely including the Gaster Followers we meet around Hotland's. We 99% know that Sans is a timeline-traveller, more specifically that he came from Deltarune to Undertale and tried to go back (failed), and has an in-depth, complex understanding of the inner-workings of time and space, however at the end of the day he failed to apply that knowledge in the creation of a machine that could send him through timelines again, even with the help of other scientists, including Alphys and/or possibly Gaster, which is sadly an anti-feat against Extraordinary Genius, but it wouldn't rule out a "possibly" rating if things went that way. He is extremely analytical, psychologically tuned, and accurately predictive to a superhuman extent. It is suggested that he has sci-fi level knowledge about complex concepts such as time and space, and was at least close to the level of scientists who would be considered Extraordinary Genius on the wiki, especially Alphys. Sans is aware of the game mechanics and is the only character to abuse them in his fight without hesitation, and he might be aware that the world is a game considering that he very blatantly breaks the 4th wall on numerous occasions, though he is kind of a gag character in some ways which could explain it.

Again, as I said before, going by actual feats and whatnot, "At least Gifted, likely Genius" is the most "objectively accurate" rating, however if we include implications and all that, it's easy to get Sans to "At least Genius, possibly Extraordinary Genius".

I’m reading all that
this is respectable.

 

[RinneItachi]

I’m reading all that
this is respectable.

Common ZIller W.

 

[ShionAH]

Snip

Sans aint getting downgraded lol.

3 people who agree with Gifted are not staff and 1 Burecraut is literally agreeing with us which is enough for me to apply "At least Genius, Possibly/Likely EG"

 

[ShionAH]

I'm a bit surprised that you would even favor a possibly rating given he has only 2 extremely vague feats that are genius or above.

"Extremely Vague"

The expression feat has absolutely 0 vagueness and the machine is kinda vague but that doesnt mean Sans is gifted with this much feat. Thats literally the saddest and the worst downplay I have ever seen in this wiki holy ****

 

[ShionAH]

Sans is actually a Supergenius

Actually possible I feel like. Depending on the machine Sans might be trying to create his own universe or some shit which would be cool

 

[ShionAH]

Given that Sans' analytical ability has proven to be considerably beyond real world human Genius capability, but (if I haven't overlooked any further feats in this area) it was only a single feat and an one with uncertain basis at that, I think that "At least Genius, possibly Extraordinary Genius" seems like a balanced compromise solution.

Should I apply this since I have your agreement and no staff disagreements?

 

[RinneItachi]

Sans aint getting downgraded lol.

3 people who agree with Gifted are not staff and 1 Burecraut is literally agreeing with us which is enough for me to apply "At least Genius, Possibly/Likely EG"

I'm not as concerned with that.

So wait a second. Is Ant well acquainted with Undertale and just asking questions for complete clarity, or is he basing his conclusion off of what has been said here? It seemed from my perspective that he was just saying "If what those people are saying is correct then yeah this rating sounds good" to clear up the discussion on definitions and what should qualify as what. Idk if I misinterpreted him. Is Ant an Undertale fan in general?

 

[ShionAH]

So wait a second. Is Ant well acquainted with Undertale and just asking questions for complete clarity, or is he basing his conclusion off of what has been said here?

That one I assume. He said Possibly EG and Atleast G is fine

Supergenius Sans when

 

[RinneItachi]

That one I assume. He said Possibly EG and Atleast G is fine

Supergenius Sans when

Then yeah a discussion is still to be had for the people that disagree. If Ant is clarifying what Sans' argued capabilities would logically warrant on the page, that just leaves one remaining topic, that being his capabilities, in the first place. There was a whole sub-discussion about whether or not what he can do would even warrant the ratings debated upon, and according to Ant they would, but I think there are still some that disagree with the arguments ABOUT said abilities, not what they would warrant on a page.

Regardless, with Ant's clarification involved, my stance goes back to "At least Genius, possibly EG" as it originally was.

 

[ShionAH]

Then yeah a discussion is still to be had for the people that disagree. If Ant is clarifying what Sans' argued capabilities would logically warrant on the page, that just leaves one remaining topic, that being his capabilities, in the first place. There was a whole sub-discussion about whether or not what he can do would even warrant the ratings debated upon, and according to Ant they would, but I think there are still some that disagree with the arguments ABOUT said abilities, not what they would warrant on a page.

My english is not good enough to answer this sorry lol

Regardless, with Ant's clarification involved, my stance goes back to "At least Genius, possibly EG" as it originally was.

Agree

 

[RinneItachi]

My english is not good enough to answer this sorry lol

Agree

It's fine I reread it after posting it and I was like "what the hell did I just type".

Basically I'm saying; Ant has helped a lot by clearing up something important, but some people still have disagreements and their opinions should be addressed first before any changes are made, the thread isn't too long yet.

 

[ShionAH]

It's fine I reread it after posting it and I was like "what the hell did I just type".

Basically I'm saying; Ant has helped a lot by clearing up something important, but some people still have disagreements and their opinions should be addressed first before any changes are made, the thread isn't too long yet.

In the downgrade thread the same thing was done to me and Strym. It was added in page 2 while we still disagreed

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Alphys:

Papyrus-"HMMM... A MYSTERIOUS SCIENCE HOUSE."
Sans-"the sign outside says "lab.""
Papyrus-"LAB?"
Sans-"like... laboratory."
Papyrus-"LABRADOR... Y? DOES THAT MEAN THERE ARE DOGS INSIDE?"
Sans-"i mean. (Winks) i wouldn't rule it out."
The fact that Alphys is perfectly fine with Sans very blatantly knowing about the Amalgamates, means she clearly has immense trust in and respect for him.

Wait, I didn't even know Sans had this line
if Sans knows about the true lab, then combined with everything else you mentioned, wouldn't it just 100% confirm that he was Alphys' lab partner and should just straight up "scale" to her intelligence?
Seems pretty clear cut to me.

 

[ShionAH]

Wait, I didn't even know Sans had this line
if Sans knows about the true lab, then combined with everything else you mentioned, wouldn't it just 100% confirm that he was Alphys' lab partner and should just straight up "scale" to her intelligence?
Seems pretty clear cut to me.

“Nooo!! You dont get it!! Sans was sitting in the corner and sleeping while Alphys did everything!! Thats why she respects sans!! For sleeping and not doing anything therefore not scaling!!!”

 

[Phoenks]

Should I apply this since I have your agreement and no staff disagreements?

Therefir agrees with "at least Gifted"

However, he is a content mod thus kinda iffy on staff opinion.

Anyway Antvasima isn't enough for this to be applied since you need 2 agreements.

Also, I'm unsure if Ant has viewed the arguments for Gifted Sans yet.

 

[ShionAH]

Therefir agrees with "at least Gifted"

However, he is a content mod thus kinda iffy on staff opinion.

Content Mod = No rights on CRTs

Anyway Antvasima isn't enough for this to be applied since you need 2 agreements.

You dont need 2 for stuff like Intelligence and minor changes. I also want to say Ant is a higher up and his opinion is way stronger than a normal Thread Mods.

Also, I'm unsure if Ant has viewed the arguments for Gifted Sans yet.

Which have already been debunked above. Why arent you answering the Alphys arguement? We have 2 supporting evidence and one direct scale to Alphys. Saying sans is gifted at best is literally simply wrong and needs us to ignore the entire background and implications of his genius just to downplay him.

 

[Phoenks]

Content Mod = No rights on CRTs

You dont need 2 for stuff like Intelligence and minor changes. I also want to say Ant is a higher up and his opinion is way stronger than a normal Thread Mods.

Which have already been debunked above. Why arent you answering the Alphys arguement? We have 2 supporting evidence and one direct scale to Alphys. Saying sans is gifted at best is literally simply wrong and needs us to ignore the entire background and implications of his genius just to downplay him.

None of what I have said has been "debunked."

I understand you have a different opinion, that's cool, but nothing you've said has disputed my thoughts on the matter.

Even Rinn, the guy you guys seem to be understanding of, was agreeing with my take on gifted intelligence. I don't know why exactly he changed minds suddenly though.

I have no reason to talk about the Alphy's argument since it's even more vague than the feats you guys brought up before and is entirely based on assumptions and headcanon.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I have no reason to talk about the Alphy's argument since it's even more vague than the feats you guys brought up before and is entirely based on assumptions and headcanon.

"headcanon" he quite literally admits he knows Alphys and about the true lab
it's not a theory, it's extraordinarily blatant that Sans worked with her

 

[Phoenks]

You can say your theory isn't a theory and is instead some blatant canon all you want, doesn't change that there's no hard evidence of anything claimed and especially nothing that's actually relevant here.

Even Rinn agrees that it isn't solid enough for an extraordinary genius rating and could only possibly reach that if you take your personal implications into account. Aka, assumptions and headcanon.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Given that Sans' analytical ability has proven to be considerably beyond real world human Genius capability, but (if I haven't overlooked any further feats in this area) it was only a single feat and an one with uncertain basis at that, I think that "At least Genius, possibly Extraordinary Genius" seems like a balanced compromise solution.

In any case; I would like to point out that there was a successful downgrade thread regarding this topic and this is simply an upgrade based on very similar reasoning and shreds of evidence with some new one that does not really support anything remotely in that level

So not sure how productive this thread can turn on. As for my stance, @Phoenks pretty much summarized everything for me.

“At least gifted” is for me the best I could concur with, so we don't ignore that those feats are at least valid, but not qualified for extraordinary genius level.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

You can say your theory isn't a theory and is instead some blatant canon all you want, doesn't change that there's no hard evidence of anything claimed and especially nothing that's actually relevant here.

Even Rinn agrees that it isn't solid enough for an extraordinary genius rating and could only possibly reach that if you take your personal implications into account. Aka, assumptions and headcanon.

What exactly is headcanon here? That he’s a scientist? That he knows Alphys and has a history with her? That both of them are very directly connected to Gaster? That Sans has collaborated with someone about researching the multiverse? That there are literally only 3 characters that have been in the underground who would have any scientific experience, that being Sans and the royal scientists?
Literally everything about this is just factual, it’s blatantly confirmed stuff we’re talking.
You’ve completely thrown any kind of logic out the atmosphere and are just calling blatantly true things headcanon just because “ooohhh gaster we know nothing about gaster”
There is literally nothing whatsoever that you could possibly have to actually prove it’s headcanon. It’s just true, it’s 100% true, to say otherwise is complete headcanon.

 

[ShionAH]

Counting staff votes

Agree (1): @Antvasima
Disagree (0):

I also want to say that Dread doesnt have any right to argue here after she said that Sans has the ability to Save and Load

 

[ImmortalDread]

True, I have no rights to argue or agree with someone in this thread. Let me remember; this similar mindset once happened in ancient times, right?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Counting staff votes

Agree (1): @Antvasima
Disagree (0):

I also want to say that Dread doesnt have any right to argue here after she said that Sans has the ability to Save and Load

And I want to say you don't have any right to argue on any FNAF CRT after you gave Springtrap the abilities of an explicitly different character. It goes both ways pal, I may not like Dread but hypocrisy is the greater evil.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

And I want to say you don't have any right to argue on any FNAF CRT after you gave Springtrap the abilities of an explicitly different character. It goes both ways pal, I may not like Dread but hypocrisy is the greater evil.

Being (allegedly) wrong in two different ways isn’t hypocrisy, and bringing up some Fnaf squabble y’all had isn’t relevant.
I solo you.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Being (allegedly) wrong in two different ways isn’t hypocrisy, and bringing up some Fnaf squabble y’all had isn’t relevant.
I solo you.

Both are doing something stupid, that's the point, being an eejit doesn't suddenly abstain you from CRTs regarding the verse.

 

[ImmortalDread]

True, I am wrong for agreeing with @Phoenks because he brought up good points, addressed each argument respectfully and very much convinced me.

 

[ShionAH]

And I want to say you don't have any right to argue on any FNAF CRT after you gave Springtrap the abilities of an explicitly different character. It goes both ways pal, I may not like Dread but hypocrisy is the greater evil.

Sorry for not reading the mind of Steel Wood and learning the upcoming reveals

 

[ShionAH]

True, I am wrong for agreeing with @Phoenks because he brought up good points, addressed each argument respectfully and very much convinced me.

You are wrong for stonewalling Undertale threads several times already. I already know what you were gonna do again so I wanted to say I dont want to deal with you again just like that incident in the cold resistance CRT.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Both are doing something stupid

I think you are being hypocritical in that case

 

[ImmortalDread]

ShionAH, there is this thread: (since it became a trend to report me falsely these days)

Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

Please report any rule violations in this thread. Notifying us of such incidents is highly appreciated. Additionally, kindly report any sockpuppets that you come across. Only report violations of our Site Rules and Discussion Rules. False reports due to personal vendettas are unacceptable...

vsbattles.com

You have every right to report me and argue that the user “Dread” should have no rights to comment on UT threads or being opponent (if she agrees, that's no problem, but disagrees – a big sin). And I will not fight for my position there, you may get lucky, and the request get approved too.

And there are multiple ways:

• Thread ban
• Topic ban
• Short ban

Otherwise, stop derailing the thread. Move on.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Sorry for not reading the mind of Steel Wood and learning the upcoming reveals

I'm talking about the Fazbear frights books springtrap that's now been merged with canon springtrap mate, I literally remember reading the OG profile and then it's revision CRT and going "something doesn't add up" and you know what? The usage of an explicitly different thing for some hax definitely cuts it as probably the stupidest thing on that profile.

I think you are being hypocritical in that case

Mother ****** I am the crown prince of doing stupid shit in CRTs, I've literally linked a King of Skill/Party Crashers video for a scan on a profile rework! And that got through! Another time I used a King of Skill video as the sole evidence for a CRT!

All I'm saying is, they've both done some stupid stuff and saying otherwise just digs you deeper into the Rabbit hole of being stupid. I'm trying to set up booby traps and shit to stop them from reaching me!

Anyways, I'm done derailing, bring it to my wall or not at all, I don't really care

 

[ShionAH]

(if she agrees, that's no problem, but disagrees – a big sin)

Even when you agree its wrong. Remember how you agreed that Sans deserves Supernatural Willpower? Or when you said he needs Radiation Resistance for a feat that doesnt even give him that resistance? I disagree with you when you are wrong not when you disagree, that would be too personal and weird.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Shion, there is a RvR thread. Argue there.

 

[ShionAH]

I'm talking about the Fazbear frights books springtrap that's now been merged with canon springtrap mate, I literally remember reading the OG profile and then it's revision CRT and going "something doesn't add up" and you know what? The usage of an explicitly different thing for some hax definitely cuts it as probably the stupidest thing on that profile.

Shit, I forgot about that.

Do not let me cook ever again about Fazbear Frights 🗣

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

Alphys is not an Extraordinary Genius in the same field of science where Sans would scale to her. What part of "she's a genius for her robotics" do y'all not understand?

Intelligence is not a stationary stat

 

[RinneItachi]

None of what I have said has been "debunked."

I understand you have a different opinion, that's cool, but nothing you've said has disputed my thoughts on the matter.

Even Rinn, the guy you guys seem to be understanding of, was agreeing with my take on gifted intelligence. I don't know why exactly he changed minds suddenly though.

I have no reason to talk about the Alphy's argument since it's even more vague than the feats you guys brought up before and is entirely based on assumptions and headcanon.

I agreed because of the way that Vs. Battles Wiki disregards implications and only acknowledges upfront evidence, because it's pointless to argue anything anymore if it isn't something you can directly see. But I see an opportunity to actually rate a character accurately instead of what the wiki considers accurate for once and I'm taking it because of personal bias. Double standards moment!

Ffs in reality I'm just here to prove a point rn. I've always been an advocate denier of the way that Vs. Battles Wiki views evidence in such a flat-earther like manner. "If I can't see it, it's not true!!". This is a circumstance where that idea is being ignored it seems, which I think is hilarious.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

For the record, the wiki does take implication as valid enough evidence, possibly and likely ratings exist for that very reason. People acting as though the wiki is insanely strict and disagreeing because of that is really just a people problem, not a site itself problem

 

[ZillertheBucko]

For the record, the wiki does take implication as valid enough evidence, possibly and likely ratings exist for that very reason. People acting as though the wiki is insanely strict and disagreeing because of that is really just a people problem, not a site itself problem

In fact I’ve seen cases where something will be 100% accepted, a single piece of supporting evidence could becomes slightly less valid, and it would instantly be rejected without it even a possibility
like what do people think that’s there for