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Saintia Sho is canon with the original work/original manga of Saint Seiya?

Kuori participated in the Japan Expo in July 2016 in France. Kuori gives an interview in the that reveals different details of the Manga.

Summary of the conference de Kuori Chimaki in Japan Expo 2016.

Link in Spanish: http://es.saintseiya.wikia.com/wiki/Entrevista/Chimaki_Kuori_-_Japan_Expo_en_Julio_de_2016

Interview to Kuori in Le Monde (French newspaper) in July 2016.

Link in Spanish: http://es.saintseiya.wikia.com/wiki/Entrevista/Chimaki_Kuori_-_Le_Monde_en_Julio_de_2016

- In the conference Kuori narrates that Saintia Sho was an idea developed by Kurumada. Kurumada handed him a script and schema to follow of the story.

La artista narra entonces el origen del proyecto. Este vino a Kurumada hace algunos a├▒os cuando estuvo hospitalizado, la idea de mostrar en escena a las mujeres al servicio de Athena. Esta idea tomo varios a├▒os en madurar, entonces se puso en contacto con Chmaki Kuori, el maestro le proporciono un guion y esquema a seguir, sin duración o cantidad de vol├║menes programados. Si ella pudiese terminar la historia en progreso, él ya estar├¡a feliz!.

- Kurumada supervise the Manga. Kuori sends the script of a new arc to Kurumada for review. Kurumada grant liberty to the author with the history, but monitors that Saintia Sho keep up the spirit of Saint Seiya.

Sobre el intercambio de ideas con Kurumada, Chimaki Kuori, revela que cada nuevo arco de la historia le enviaba el guion, que él revisaba todo. El maestro le otorga relativa libertad; Se empe├▒aba especialmente en controlar que la serie mantenga el esp├¡ritu de "Saint Seiya".

- The idea of Eris as antagonist and a female cast was made by Kurumada.

Cuando un fan le preguntó si ella segu├¡a el anime o el manga para crear Saintia Shô, ella respondió que apreciaba mucho el anime, pero admit├¡a que éste ya ten├¡a de todo. De la pel├¡cula, ella vio a Eris, la diosa de la discordia, y el hecho ella es la antagonista de Saintia Shô. Chimaki Kuori dice hacer de cuenta que la pel├¡cula nunca existió. La elección de Eris fue hecha por Kurumada, as├¡ como la idea de feminizar la mayor cantidad posible del elenco de la historia, y justo terminó teniendo relación con la pel├¡cula del anime porque era la pel├¡cula en que Kurumada m├ís se hab├¡a involucrado en aquella época, y por eso es que él sigue siendo muy comprometido a esta.

- Is mentioned that Saintia Sho is a story within of the canonical story.

Las preguntas se centraron entonces sobre el proceso de creación de un Spin-Off, sobre su relación con Kurumada y la dificultad de escribir una historia dentro de la historia canonica, que se supone se desarrolla en paralelo. Chimaki Kuori cita las palabras de Kurumada "Si la historia es buena, se pueden omitir dos o tres cosas. Lo importante es que tenga ritmo y que de placer al leer la serie."

- In the interview to Kuori in Le Monde. The author mentions that Saintia Sho is located in the same world as the original work.

Chimaki Kuori: La decisión de aceptar que era una certeza. Eso significaba que iniciar├¡a un trabajo exhaustivo, y enfrentar el ojo critico de los aficionados de un universo canónico extremadamente conocido y apreciado, sin tener la certeza de como ellos recibir├¡an esta reinterpretación. El manga original es considerado culto de la masculinidad, de la afirmación del ser por la fuerza, la demostración de la virilidad. ┬┐Como adaptarlo a una versión femenina?. Muchos imaginaban que Saintia Shō simplemente sustituir├¡a los guerreros de sexo masculino por guerreros de sexo femenino, pero este no es el caso. Es claro que los personajes masculinos reaparecen, porque la serie se sit├║a en el mismo mundo de la serie original. Y a el mismo tiempo, las hero├¡nas son verdaderas guerreras. Es por eso que ellas aparecen intercambiando golpes violentos, recibiendo los impactos y siendo lanzadas contra paredes. Ellas son mujeres, pero combaten como hombres. No hay escenas de desnudes o erotismo. Era importante para mi, porque siempre me gusto dibujar mujeres fuertes.

- The concept of the Saintias was developed by Kurumada.

Chimaki Kuori: La idea vino del Sr. Kurumada. Nosotros discutimos esto juntos, dos opciones se presentaron, todas inaceptables. O ellas romper├¡an el elemento mitológico de "Los Caballeros del Zodiaco", las mascaras de los caballeros, o todas las hero├¡nas aparecer├¡an ocultas. En ambos casos, él no tenia ning├║n interés. ├ël propuso la idea de una nueva casta, "Saintia" que son una especie de Vestal de la diosa Athena. Como ellas se relacionan con ella, no hay ninguna justificación para que ellas tengan que usar las mascaras de el mundo de los hombres. Ellas pueden, por lo tanto, asumir su feminidad.

- Kurumada also sent a list of constellations that she can use.

Chimaki Kuori: Al inicio del proyecto, el Sr. Kurumada me envió una lista de constelaciones que a├║n no hab├¡an sido exploradas. Entre ellas, he escogido las armaduras que podr├¡an tener suficiente clase y elegancia para no interferir con la feminidad de los personajes. La lista inclu├¡a a Caballo Menor, que es el hermano mas joven de Pegaso (el héroe masculino de la serie original) en la mitolog├¡a. Fue perfecto.
 
Message of Kurumada included in the prologue of Saintia Sho in 2013.

¡El nuevo concepto de Saintia!
[Saintia Shō] finalmente ha comenzado.
Esta idea de unas chicas que son Saints la he estado desarrollando desde hace mucho tiempo.
A pesar de que el Santuario en cierta forma como un mundo de jóvenes que protegen a Athena, ┬íunas jóvenes guerreras!. La escolta personal de Athena, su [Guardia Imperial] que la acompa├▒a directamente no deber├¡a estar formado por jóvenes, sino por un [equipo de doncellas]...
Como en este trabajo quienes están en las batallas no serán chicos, sino chicas, creo que eso hará que estas tengan un aspecto y expresiones más delicadas.
¡Junto con Kuori-kun, espero un apasionado apoyo de los lectores!.

Image: http://es.saintseiya.wikia.com/wiki/Archivo:Saintia_Sho_-_Mensaje_de_Kurumada.jpg

Kurumada indicates that was a project that has been developing for a long time.
 
What Lancelote de Cancer is quoting isn't the La Monde interview, but a translated summary of this account of what was asked to Chimaki in Japan Expo:

http://www.actuabd.com/Japan-Expo-2016-Chimaki-Kuori

Granted, I do believe that Saintia Sho might be canonical, and I wouldn't claim that the person who wrote the account is making stuff up, but it's very uncertain.

The actual interview is this:

http://taizen-saintseiya.com/entrevistas/chimaki-kuori-le-monde-2016/

In it, Chimaki says this:

Chimaki Kuori: A decis├úo de aceitar j├í era uma certeza. Isso significava me lan├ºar num trabalho exaustivo, e enfrentar o olhar cr├¡tico dos f├ús habituais de um universo canônico extremamente conhecido e apreciado, sem ter certeza de como eles receberiam essa reinterpreta├º├úo.

Which roughly translates to:

"The decision of accepting was already a certainty. It meant throwing me into an exhausting work, and facing the critical eyes of fans used to a canonical universe extremely known and loved, withough being certain with how they'd accept this reinterpretation"

This would imply that it is a Spin-Off.

However, in the same interview, Chimaki says that both the Saintias and the Heroine Constellations were created and selected by Masami Kurumada.

So I really don't know if Saintia Sho is Canon or not, and this is why I place it at unknown.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
What Lancelote de Cancer is quoting isn't the La Monde interview, but a translated summary of this account of what was asked to Chimaki in Japan Expo:
http://www.actuabd.com/Japan-Expo-2016-Chimaki-Kuori

Granted, I don't believe that Saintia Sho might be canonical, and I wouldn't claim that the person who wrote the account is making stuff up, but it's very uncertain.

The actual interview is this:

http://taizen-saintseiya.com/entrevistas/chimaki-kuori-le-monde-2016/

In it, Chimaki says this:

Chimaki Kuori: A decis├úo de aceitar j├í era uma certeza. Isso significava me lan├ºar num trabalho exaustivo, e enfrentar o olhar cr├¡tico dos f├ús habituais de um universo canônico extremamente conhecido e apreciado, sem ter certeza de como eles receberiam essa reinterpreta├º├úo.

Which roughly translates to:

"The decision of accepting was already a certainty. It meant throwing me into an exhausting work, and facing the critical eyes of fans used to a canonical universe extremely known and loved, withough being certain with how they'd accept this reinterpretation"

This would imply that it is a Spin-Off.

However, in the same interview, Chimaki says that both the Saintias and the Heroine Constellations were created and selected by Masami Kurumada.

So I really don't know if Saintia Sho is Canon or not, and this is why I place it at unknown.
hmm thank you for this #Matt
 
It does follow and retell some canon events, so if aything it's closer to being canon rather than being non-canon if you understand what I mean.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Granted, I do believe that Saintia Sho might be canonical, and I wouldn't claim that the person who wrote the account is making stuff up, but it's very uncertain.
This is a summary of a person who attended the conference. I do not think that the person that wrote the account is making stuff up. Besides that the information provided is confirmed by the another interview in Le Monde.

The conference in Japan Expo.

├Ç la question de savoir s'ils suivent le manga ou l'animé pour créer Saintia Shô, elle répond que, bien qu'elle apprécie l'animé, il lui faut avouer que ce dernier a déj├á comblé et rempli pas mal de trous ! Par rapport au film mettant en sc├¿ne Eris, la déesse de la discorde, et au fait que Saintia Shô reprenne cet antagoniste, Chimaki Kuori a indiqué faire comme si ce film n'avait jamais eu lieu. Le choix de mettre en sc├¿ne Eris vient de Kurumada, une fois de plus, ├á la fois dans l'idée de féminiser le plus possible le casting, parce qu'il s'agissait du film dans lequel il s'était le plus impliqué ├á l'époque, et parce qu'il y reste donc tr├¿s attaché.

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The choice of introducing in scene to Eris was by Kurumada, once again, as the idea of feminisar the more possible the cast.

In Le Monde and the Prologue (of 2013) is mentioned that the idea of a female cast was by Kurumada.

Matthew Schroeder said:
This would imply that it is a Spin-Off.
All works of Saint Seiya or derivatives are considered a Spin-Off of the franchise.

This appears in the wiki in Japanese.

Spin-Offs /Gaidens (Òé╣ÒâöÒâ│Òé¬Òâò/Õñûõ╝Øõ¢£Õôü) wiki in Japa.

The term Spin-Off (Japanese also uses the term Gaiden) is used for a work / series developed in parallel with the original work. A Spin-Off may belong to the canon.
 
I know everything that's not Classic or ND is considered a Spin-Off because it's not a direct sequel or prequel, but that's beside the point.
 
Then we could consider as canon to Saintia Sho considering that Kurumada supervise the work and revised the script of the manga, and the manga was initially a project of Kurumada (he gives to the author the scheme initial of the manga or series). It is the same case that with Episode G, which we consider as canon or part of the original work.

The manga of Saintia Sho is part of the same world that the original work. The work is immense faithfulness to the original manga and not has problems of continuity with the manga (because Kurumada revise that keep the essence of Saint Seiya).
 
No, Kurumada heavily supervises Okada's work, to the point where they even meet between every chapter to certify that Okada stays on track. For the other authors, Kurumada just gives a general scheme and tells them to play around with whatever they want. Regardless, Saintia Sho is definitely not canon unlike Episode G because it directly contradicts Classic events.
 
Tivanenk said:
No, Kurumada heavily supervises Okada's work, to the point where they even meet between every chapter to certify that Okada stays on track.
This is never mentioned by Okada or Kurumada. Could place in where Kurumada mentions that supervises the works of Okada chapter to chapter.

Kurumada has always delivered a script and general outline of the work. In the interview to Kuori is mentioned that Kurumada supervises the script of each new arc of the story of Saintia Sho. Saintia Sho or Episode G are the only works in where Kurumada supervises the script of the authors. Kurumada supervises that the mangas o works possess the spirit of Saint Seiya.

Tivanenk said:
Regardless, Saintia Sho is definitely not canon unlike Episode G because it directly contradicts Classic events.
Neither Episode G or Saintia Sho contradict in anything the Manga Classic. In Saintia Sho is respected even the color of hair (original) of the characters.

The only manga that has never been canon with Saint Seiya is Lost Canvas. Because it is full of contradictions with the Manga Classic or Next Dimension.
 
You actually think Saintia Sho isn't filled with contradictions when compared to the Classic manga...?
 
Episode G or Saintia Sho not have contradictions (important) with the Manga Classic. These works has only some minor contradictions that not affect the continuity. For example:

In Episode G the Genmaroken is a movement of the Patriarchs. In Next Dimension is confirmed that is a technique of the Geminis Saint.
 
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