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I thought it would be a massive downgrade for the SS-verse in general.
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It's this scan: https://ibb.co/FVzXdtfWhut? This needs more details and context.
Who are you talking about?
Their not above hadesIt's this scan: https://ibb.co/FVzXdtf
Also this:Their not above hades
Here is the response:1) Seiya in GA is heavily weakened due to Hades' sword and doesn't scale to his teenage self until later on in the manga.
2) Aiolos has an incomplete 9th sense, so false equivalence.
3) Assassins introduces the concept of bubble universes which hold timelines, which would upscale the big bang to 2-C.
4) We see even as a dead ghost, Hades was still capable of sustaining the Underworld with his cosmo, which is a 2-C feat whilst dead.... Saying his alive self doesn't upscale is a joke.
Pretty sure his revived God Cloth was stronger. Doesn't matter anyways his teen self is complete fodder too.1) Seiya in GA is heavily weakened due to Hades' sword and doesn't scale to his teenage self until later on in the manga.
No it wouldn't huge non sequitur. The universes don't literally "hold timelines" nor did the Big Bang create all of them, the timelines are externally branched off of said universe and are all separate parallel worlds/universes/timelines. The bubble universes thing is never even mentioned idk where you got that from lol.3) Assassins introduces the concept of bubble universes which hold timelines, which would upscale the big bang to 2-C.
That alone is enough.Dysnomia: This is the place where all space-time from all Universes converge
Dysnomia: From the Myth Era to a far away future
Dysnomia: You can access it all from here, as you'd wish
Dysnomia: Oh, look...
Dysnomia: It seems a new universe
Dysnomia: Is being born...
Saying this fodder feat is "2-C" (Vs Wiki terms ew) is just as big of a joke when none of these dimensions have any given quantifiable size aside from the Hyperdimension being on a pathetically low end of multi galaxy, which isn't even universal. There isn't a single quantifiable "2-C" feat in the entirety of Saint Fodder.4) We see even as a dead ghost, Hades was still capable of sustaining the Underworld with his cosmo, which is a 2-C feat whilst dead.... Saying his alive self doesn't upscale is a joke.
Well, 3 gold saints combined attack, can not really be compared to hades. Im no episode g Assassin expert, but those guys are below hades if I’m not mistaken.It's this scan: https://ibb.co/FVzXdtf
Nothing supports this, it is complete headcanon.Pretty sure his revived God Cloth was stronger. Doesn't matter anyways his teen self is complete fodder too.
who asked? This ridiculous feud between the verses is stupid and this snide comment definitely shows your intentions here.Goku still solos the verse with ease come with something better than this because Vs Wiki arguments ain't gonna cut it.
Well intentions doesnt change arguments so..Nothing supports this, it is complete headcanon.
Seiya right before he awakened his god cloth has next to 0 cosmo and needed Athena to amp him to beat the gladiator. He does not scale to his teenage self in that fight.
who asked? This ridiculous feud between the verses is stupid and this snide comment definitely shows your intentions here.
Hmm, well if what Unshake said is true, then it would make sense that 9th sense aiolos could tie with an ae. Think of it like this. God cloth shiryu,Hyoga,shun, and ikki were able to briefly overwhelm hades during their fight. In the same vein, 3 gold saints who scale to gladiators, and therefore to god cloths, would be able to fight a 9th sense user such as aiolos. if A small group of god cloth users can fight a 9th sense user, then another small group should also be able to do the same. Additionally, when was 9th sense said to be ae level?Also this:
Isn't God Cloth Seiya Low Multiversal?
Nope no in the entire verse is that level, let alone Seiya lol. Saying he's even universal as a God Cloth is pretty contentious since later in Episode G Assassin he needs his revived God Cloth to fight someone (who at that point was weaker than this) who was verbatim stated to rival Athena Exclamation (Big Bang, baseline universal) level, and 9th Sense, in general, is stated to be the baseline for AE level.
Wait wait, what effect does that have?Quick question, but do you think there is 1 God per timelime or do you think there is only 1 God for all of existence?
For example, do you believe there is 1 hades for every timeline, or 1 hades for the whole multiverse?
My responses maybe slow due to irl issues.
Hyper timelimes. There was a big discussion on it a while back. A timelime that holds other spacetime inside of it is possibly a significantly higher tier than 2-C. The method was considered correct for am upgrade, but the verses that used thar method had its own inverse cosmology problems.Wait wait, what effect does that have?
Hyper timelimes. There was a big discussion on it a while back. A timelime that holds other spacetime inside of it is possibly a significantly higher tier than 2-C. The method was considered correct for am upgrade, but the verses that used thar method had its own inverse cosmology problems.
So with hyper timelines
- if you believe every timeline has 1 God therefore infinite God's (for example infinite variations of Hades) then we get 5D Attavk potency gods. For example a single timeline would hold the Underworld's, The titans universes, Heaven, and the living world
- on the flip side
If you you think there is only 1 God for the whole multiverse (1 hades in all of existence for example) then logically there should only be 1 Underworld and thus hades should be 2-A
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If you go back to chronos in ND. It's actually stated twice that Athena was taken to a separate alternate timeline/universe instead of being taken to the literal past.Hmm. Well I’m not sure, from what I’ve seen, Athenas from parallel worlds, seem to have the same effect on saints, regardless of universe. Saints are drawn to them, etc. However, the underworld does seem to be something that is shared between parallel Universes, as the lost world did draw saints from there, and so did the normal timeline. Also, seiya appears in the underworld to shun, even though he is 240 years in the past. Shun Hades, appears to issac as he is trying to get Out of Tartarus, and issac emerges in the normal timeline, where normal shun is protecting Natasha. So, it does seem to me like the underworld is common to parallel universes.
Well then, basically confirmed there’s one underworld for all universes then? I suppose there’s only one Real hades then? Since having one hades for each universe wouldn’t make sense for 1 underworld. Especially since classic hades was defeated, and then the underworld also died. If the canon manga direct sequel, the manga possible sequel, and anime sequel say it, then it’s probably true.If you go back to chronos in ND. It's actually stated twice that Athena was taken to a separate alternate timeline/universe instead of being taken to the past.
But in Assassins it's actually directly stated that evil pope Aiolos was in fact using the underworld to invade the other universes in the multiverse (the very last chapter)
And omega does say that the underworld takes in souls from other worlds.
I tried the upgrade before but didn't pass. Turned into a heated debateWell then, basically confirmed there’s one underworld for all universes then? I suppose there’s only one Real hades then? Since having one hades for each universe wouldn’t make sense for 1 underworld. Especially since classic hades was defeated, and then the underworld also died. If the canon manga direct sequel, the manga possible sequel, and anime sequel say it, then it’s probably true.
It wasn't that long ago. You could probably use the search function to find it.huh. Wonder what the opposition is
Aren't there multiple versions of Athena from different universes in Episode G Assassin? Same with Zeus? And what about Hades from Lost Canvas?I tried the upgrade before but didn't pass. Turned into a heated debate
Yeah I don't see the point of this. 3 Gold Saints are far below Hades in power. Simply the Wailing Wall takes the effort of all Gold Saints and destroys them too. End of Series Seiya hurting Hades is far beyond any Gold Saints. Literally infinitely beyond.Well, 3 gold saints combined attack, can not really be compared to hades. Im no episode g Assassin expert, but those guys are below hades if I’m not mistaken.
I'll explain once I have my laptop backAren't there multiple versions of Athena from different universes in Episode G Assassin? Same with Zeus? And what about Hades from Lost Canvas?
Hahahahahahaha, you came here just to say Goku solos. Well perhaps he does, perhaps he doesn't. What I find more interesting about this is why is Saint Seiya vs DB still such a huge topic across the internet. lolSaying this fodder feat is "2-C" (Vs Wiki terms ew) is just as big of a joke when none of these dimensions have any given quantifiable size aside from the Hyperdimension being on a pathetically low end of multi galaxy, which isn't even universal. There isn't a single quantifiable "2-C" feat in the entirety of Saint Fodder.
Goku still solos the verse with ease come with something better than this because Vs Wiki arguments ain't gonna cut it.
Popular anime’s. Protagonist is said to be op.Hahahahahahaha, you came here just to say Goku solos. Well perhaps he does, perhaps he doesn't. What I find more interesting about this is why is Saint Seiya vs DB still such a huge topic across the internet. lol