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I thought it would be a massive downgrade for the SS-verse in general.
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(Saint Seiya) Is It True That Someone Far Above Hades In Power Was Stated To Be Only Universal In Power?
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Whut? This needs more details and context.
Who are you talking about?
Who are you talking about?
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It's this scan: https://ibb.co/FVzXdtf
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Their not above hades
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Also this:
Isn't God Cloth Seiya Low Multiversal?
Nope no in the entire verse is that level, let alone Seiya lol. Saying he's even universal as a God Cloth is pretty contentious since later in Episode G Assassin he needs his revived God Cloth to fight someone (who at that point was weaker than this) who was verbatim stated to rival Athena Exclamation (Big Bang, baseline universal) level, and 9th Sense, in general, is stated to be the baseline for AE level.
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your not making much sense here
The Gladitors are above God Cloths but still below Hades.
The Gladitors are a form of a God Cloth fused with their holy/divine sword
And where is this statement of "Universal God Cloth?"
In addition to that Seiya was weakened the entire time in Assassins. Where was it stated to the gladitors rival the AE?
Btw you could argue that the Big Bang in Saint Seiya Verse is 5D at most or even 2-C.
The Gladitors are above God Cloths but still below Hades.
The Gladitors are a form of a God Cloth fused with their holy/divine sword
And where is this statement of "Universal God Cloth?"
In addition to that Seiya was weakened the entire time in Assassins. Where was it stated to the gladitors rival the AE?
Btw you could argue that the Big Bang in Saint Seiya Verse is 5D at most or even 2-C.
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1) Seiya in GA is heavily weakened due to Hades' sword and doesn't scale to his teenage self until later on in the manga.
2) Aiolos has an incomplete 9th sense, so false equivalence.
3) Assassins introduces the concept of bubble universes which hold timelines, which would upscale the big bang to 2-C.
4) We see even as a dead ghost, Hades was still capable of sustaining the Underworld with his cosmo, which is a 2-C feat whilst dead.... Saying his alive self doesn't upscale is a joke.
2) Aiolos has an incomplete 9th sense, so false equivalence.
3) Assassins introduces the concept of bubble universes which hold timelines, which would upscale the big bang to 2-C.
4) We see even as a dead ghost, Hades was still capable of sustaining the Underworld with his cosmo, which is a 2-C feat whilst dead.... Saying his alive self doesn't upscale is a joke.
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Those aren't my arguments. I am just fact-checking it.
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Here is the response:
Pretty sure his revived God Cloth was stronger. Doesn't matter anyways his teen self is complete fodder too.
No it wouldn't huge non sequitur. The universes don't literally "hold timelines" nor did the Big Bang create all of them, the timelines are externally branched off of said universe and are all separate parallel worlds/universes/timelines. The bubble universes thing is never even mentioned idk where you got that from lol.
The Big Bang the AE references is the single universe one, timelines born from splitting due to events and branching of the space-time continuum don't factor into it. This is evident by the countless times the AE is specifically described to have created just the universe.
This absurd notion comes from a badly worded, disingenuous, non-canon unofficial fan translation: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11143/111432372/7991207-6592013066-aff26.png
Which was completely debunked and clarified on TLC Diary, basically the Kanzenshuu for Saint Seiya:
Episodio G Assassin 16 - Lanza
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Where what was actually said is "there may be several different future worlds united/linked/connected with the same universe"
They're literally established word for word as parallel timelines off of the time continuum and branches (hence the connection to the universe), this is not some sort of bubble multiverse that you can attribute to the big bang.
In fact this notion is even debunked right away Chapter 1, when the Big Bang model is explained by Marin:
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SS Universes are just regular Universes. Nothing more, nothing less.
Re-affirmed again in Saintia Sho that these parallel universes aren't all born from one big bang, which is completely canon:
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That alone is enough.
But for further context, here's a canon differentiation between universes, timelines, and dimensions, with the Big Bangs being verbatim stated to only create the universe
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Dohko, again, making the differentiation between a single universe, and a collection of these parallel universes/worlds/timelines clear:
異なる[宇宙] [世界]多元宇宙はすぐ近くに存在する
Different (universes) (worlds) Multiverse...
Where Dohko establishes the synonymity between these "parallel worlds" and "parallel universes" altogether.
Also debunked by a spectre of Hades himself:
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The Big Bang in Saint Seiya, as common sense would dictate, is only universal.
Saying this fodder feat is "2-C" (Vs Wiki terms ew) is just as big of a joke when none of these dimensions have any given quantifiable size aside from the Hyperdimension being on a pathetically low end of multi galaxy, which isn't even universal. There isn't a single quantifiable "2-C" feat in the entirety of Saint Fodder.
Goku still solos the verse with ease come with something better than this because Vs Wiki arguments ain't gonna cut it.
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Quick question, but do you think there is 1 God per timelime or do you think there is only 1 God for all of existence?
For example, do you believe there is 1 hades for every timeline, or 1 hades for the whole multiverse?
My responses maybe slow due to irl issues.
For example, do you believe there is 1 hades for every timeline, or 1 hades for the whole multiverse?
My responses maybe slow due to irl issues.
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Well, 3 gold saints combined attack, can not really be compared to hades. Im no episode g Assassin expert, but those guys are below hades if I’m not mistaken.
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Nothing supports this, it is complete headcanon.
Seiya right before he awakened his god cloth has next to 0 cosmo and needed Athena to amp him to beat the gladiator. He does not scale to his teenage self in that fight.
who asked? This ridiculous feud between the verses is stupid and this snide comment definitely shows your intentions here.
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Well intentions doesnt change arguments so..
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Hmm, well if what Unshake said is true, then it would make sense that 9th sense aiolos could tie with an ae. Think of it like this. God cloth shiryu,Hyoga,shun, and ikki were able to briefly overwhelm hades during their fight. In the same vein, 3 gold saints who scale to gladiators, and therefore to god cloths, would be able to fight a 9th sense user such as aiolos. if A small group of god cloth users can fight a 9th sense user, then another small group should also be able to do the same. Additionally, when was 9th sense said to be ae level?Also this:
Isn't God Cloth Seiya Low Multiversal?
Nope no in the entire verse is that level, let alone Seiya lol. Saying he's even universal as a God Cloth is pretty contentious since later in Episode G Assassin he needs his revived God Cloth to fight someone (who at that point was weaker than this) who was verbatim stated to rival Athena Exclamation (Big Bang, baseline universal) level, and 9th Sense, in general, is stated to be the baseline for AE level.
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Wait wait, what effect does that have?
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Hyper timelimes. There was a big discussion on it a while back. A timelime that holds other spacetime inside of it is possibly a significantly higher tier than 2-C. The method was considered correct for am upgrade, but the verses that used thar method had its own inverse cosmology problems.
So with hyper timelines
- if you believe every timeline has 1 God therefore infinite God's (for example infinite variations of Hades) then we get 5D Attavk potency gods. For example a single timeline would hold the Underworld's, The titans universes, Heaven, and the living world
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If you you think there is only 1 God for the whole multiverse (1 hades in all of existence for example) then logically there should only be 1 Underworld and thus hades should be 2-A
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Hmm. Well I’m not sure, from what I’ve seen, Athenas from parallel worlds, seem to have the same effect on saints, regardless of universe. Saints are drawn to them, etc. However, the underworld does seem to be something that is shared between parallel Universes, as the lost world did draw saints from there, and so did the normal timeline. Also, seiya appears in the underworld to shun, even though he is 240 years in the past. Shun Hades, appears to issac as he is trying to get Out of Tartarus, and issac emerges in the normal timeline, where normal shun is protecting Natasha. So, it does seem to me like the underworld is common to parallel universes.
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If you go back to chronos in ND. It's actually stated twice that Athena was taken to a separate alternate timeline/universe instead of being taken to the literal past.
But in Assassins it's actually directly stated that evil pope Aiolos was in fact using the underworld to invade the other universes in the multiverse (the very last chapter)
And omega does say that the underworld takes in souls from other worlds.
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Well then, basically confirmed there’s one underworld for all universes then? I suppose there’s only one Real hades then? Since having one hades for each universe wouldn’t make sense for 1 underworld. Especially since classic hades was defeated, and then the underworld also died. If the canon manga direct sequel, the manga possible sequel, and anime sequel say it, then it’s probably true.
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I tried the upgrade before but didn't pass. Turned into a heated debate
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It wasn't that long ago. You could probably use the search function to find it.
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Aren't there multiple versions of Athena from different universes in Episode G Assassin? Same with Zeus? And what about Hades from Lost Canvas?
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Yeah I don't see the point of this. 3 Gold Saints are far below Hades in power. Simply the Wailing Wall takes the effort of all Gold Saints and destroys them too. End of Series Seiya hurting Hades is far beyond any Gold Saints. Literally infinitely beyond.
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I'll explain once I have my laptop back
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Hahahahahahaha, you came here just to say Goku solos. Well perhaps he does, perhaps he doesn't. What I find more interesting about this is why is Saint Seiya vs DB still such a huge topic across the internet. lol
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