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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)

Shinshu Ueda (illustrator of Dark Wing) commented that Shiori helped her in the design (drawing) of the double page of the twelve Gold Saints.

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ZAMIR890 said:
God kido like a cyclops for the sake of my mind I will say that it is a story made by a fan
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This reminds me of those French fanfics I read as a kid, where they put Kido as the reincarnation of Zeus.

There are some times where it is good that Kurumada ignores everything written in these works.
StekFence said:
As long as the whole story isn’t too bad, i think most people will live
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The whole story is equally bad, the only redeemable thing was Shura's character but he disappeared in this chapter. The people will survive, but not Saint Seiya fans with these low quality works, and the worst thing is that Kurumada's new project is not related to Saint Seiya and Shiori doesn't seem to have plans to return to the franchise for a new work (although she is helping in Dark Wing), so there will be no new quality works in the franchise in a long time and the most decent will be Dark Wing.
TheUnshakableOne said:
Kuru is a fan of Okada and Omega
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Kurumada is only a fan of his own work and everything related to Eris, for him the other works in the franchise are just money.

Although he probably has a special affection for Omega (because everyone loves Omega) and Saint Seiya Tecent/Awakening (because it makes him a lot of money), he even put his team (slaves) to participate in the design of the Gold God Cloth and created the GGC canon of the franchise for this videogame.
 
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Did anybody enjoy Omega? It was actually my first introduction to Saint Seiya, I watched it when I was younger. It's not very good, but damn Seiya's a ******* badass in that show
 
He really is. Looking back, it was also the Saint Seiya with the most unique Gold Saints. Unfortunately they were pretty forgettable.
**** Tokisada btw
 
Hasty12345 said:
Kurumada let G get 2 sequels, he must really not like it
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His love for money is greater than his love for his work (there is even a yaoi manga of Saint Seiya officially published by Akita Shoten in one of his magazines), this is not new, that's why he even authorized Toei Animation to make horrible animated adaptations of his work. The only work that Kurumada does not allow such mistreatment is Ring ni Kakero, because this manga is his favorite.
AlexZiggy said:
Did anybody enjoy Omega? It was actually my first introduction to Saint Seiya, I watched it when I was younger. It's not very good, but damn Seiya's a ******* badass in that show
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This series has the best version of Seiya, a good group of main characters, the best version of Athena (Aria has the development that Sasha never got in TLC and Saori only got in Saintia Sho), some decent gods within this franchise where gods are horrible characters, probably the best final chapters for a series of Saint Seiya, and an amazing soundtrack (especially in the first season, because the J-pop of the second season left a lot to be desired, although Stardust Chant was pretty good).

Omega is a decent series within this franchise, which could have been better if it hadn't had some problems with armor design and horrible animation in several episodes.
AlexZiggy said:
He really is. Looking back, it was also the Saint Seiya with the most unique Gold Saints. Unfortunately they were pretty forgettable.
**** Tokisada btw
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No, several of them are quite decent and may even be one of the best generation of Gold Saints in this franchise. Tokisada is quite decent, he has a different design than other Aquarius Saint in the franchise and a nice change in his abilities, and he doesn't have a stupid redemption in the last minutes of his life, he died as a traitor until the end.
 
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Lancelot_de_Cancer said:
His love for money is greater than his love for his work (there is even a yaoi manga officially published by Akita Shoten in one of his magazines), this is not new, that's why he even authorized Toei Anomation to make horrible animated adaptations of his work. The only work that Kurumada does not allow such mistreatment is Ring ni Kakero, because this manga is his favorite.
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lmao aight
 
It is interesting how the spin-off authors insist on showing Pegasus as a super special Saint, turning the Pegasus Saint into literally the child of prophecy, a Saint who is destined to be the strongest and a killer of gods.

Instead, Kurumada wishes to eliminate any special qualities of Pegasus (for Kurumada the power of Seiya and his friends is only by his will and not by a special destiny), he even changed Hades' dialogue in Next Dimension (now the god only describes that Pegasus was his friend in the ancient holy war) and will probably add that change in the Final Edition (as he did with other changes and additions of his last works), and Asclepius who knows the past and future of his universe describes him as a simple Bronze Saint. And I think this could be one of Kurumada's best changes in his work, the idea of Pegasus as a special and legendary Saint was always really stupid for the concept of the series.

For the authors of the spin-offs, Pegasus is a super special being who was always destined to be the strongest and without Pegasus the world would be destroyed. And Tenma is literally the perfect example of this, everything about him is predestined, he's the legendary Pegasus who hurt Hades before and can do it again, his birth was predetermined by a big bad, his ability to kill gods was predetermined and everyone in the setting knows it, he really doesn't seem to have fought for anything in the series and everything is basically handed to him.

For Kurumada, he's just another Saint, and Seiya and his friends only stand out for their strong will, and even Ikki is the strongest of the protagonists.
 
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I don’t think I’ve ever read a take as bad as this lmao

worse than the kids who think Naruto was predestined 🤡
 
I'm not saying it for Naruto, I'm saying it for the spin-off authors' vision of the Pegasus Saint and the importance they give to the Pegasus Saints in their universes, a quality that even Kurumada wants to eliminate from his work with the changes in his latest works, and even the latest spin-off now no longer has a Pegasus Saint because the author simply wants you to forget that detail.
 
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I can’t speak for LC, but I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the themes and concepts introduced in G, to the point I seriously think you need to read the series without the mindset of hatred and actually READ it.
 
I don't understand anything, I'm just saying what is shown in that story, and how the author simply doesn't understand Kurumada's work or simply seeks to create a completely different vision of this universe, something that is not bad because it is a different universe, although now it looks like a badly written fanfic.

The description was mainly for what was shown in TLC and other works in the franchise about the Pegasus Saints compared to what Kurumada showed in his later works.
 
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Lancelot_de_Cancer said:
I don't understand anything
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I wouldn’t go that far, but I don’t think you understand the subtext and themes of G at all.

I agree LC is a joke, and Kurumada has actively retconned any notion of Seiya being special due to Tenma. But G’s take is wildly different from that and is far more in line with Kurumada’s view on Seiya.
 
But I never mentioned Episode.G in that commentary (I think you are paranoid and not everything is about Episode.G when there are many other series and works in this franchise), I even used an example from TLC to explain the different view about the Pegasus Saint that exists in some works of the franchise and how Kurumada wants to change that idea in his later works.

The introduction of Kido as a god may change this in the future, but I want to wait and see how this develops. Although it doesn't change that the simple introduction of Kido as a god is a bad fanfic that is never mentioned and we will never see in Kurumada's work, but it's a completely different topic from what I explained about the Pegasus Saint.
 
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Hasty12345 said:
Due to the inconsistencies between Classic and ND, should we separate the canons?
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I don’t think so. Nd is the canonical continuation, it’s the same timeline u could say. Any inconsistencies are most likely derived from just errors the creators made, and not indicative of a different continuit.
 
StekFence said:
I don’t think so. Nd is the canonical continuation, it’s the same timeline u could say. Any inconsistencies are most likely derived from just errors the creators made, and not indicative of a different continuit.
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Some seem to think otherwise
 
Nothing is canon to anything because every work has minor inconsistencies with one another irrespective of author
 
AlexZiggy said:
~pretty sure the two are not mutually exclusive. Well, maybe haven't read GA~
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Shiryu makes references to events that happened in ND. He knows about what happeend and talks about it to Shura not in vivid detail though, but enough for us to know hes talking about events in ND

Hyoga knew who Chronos was and even referenced him as the Hourglass which can only be known through the events of ND


You also have someone like Deathtoll appearing too (I think that was his name?)

there was other instances too but i forgot them lol

they'll probably come to me while im at work and don't have my phone lmao
 
Hasty12345 said:
Due to the inconsistencies between Classic and ND, should we separate the canons?
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No, Next Dimension is a canonical sequel to the original manga, and is written and drawn by Masami Kurumada himself, so this is not a spin-off written by a completely different author, with little or no involvement from Kurumada.
TheUnshakableOne said:
Shiryu makes references to events that happened in ND. He knows about what happeend and talks about it to Shura not in vivid detail though, but enough for us to know hes talking about events in ND

Hyoga knew who Chronos was and even referenced him as the Hourglass which can only be known through the events of ND

You also have someone like Deathtoll appearing too (I think that was his name?)

there was other instances too but i forgot them lol

they'll probably come to me while im at work and don't have my phone lmao
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Shiryu never refers to the events that happened in ND and even does not have the Dragon Pearl that the dragon god gave him in that story.

Hyoga only mentions Cronos, but never specifies whether this is the titan or the god. Also, Chronos from Next Dimension is not a clock.

Deathtoll has a completely different appearance from the one shown in ND, and may be similar to Izo, who is a different version of the character and even survives the holy war, something different from what is described in Zero where everyone is said to have died.
 
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Lancelot_de_Cancer said:
Shiryu never refers to the events that happened in ND
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He does and i refuse to debate someone who admits they don't understand the franchise and constantly contradicts their own arguments and lies

and even does not have the Dragon Pearl that the dragon god gave him in that story.
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irrelevant needless nitpicking
Art changes doesn't equate to non-canoncity

Hyoga only mentions Cronos, but never specifies whether this is the titan or the god. Also, Cronos from Next Dimension is not a clock.
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So your saying Titan King Cronos in G is an Hourglass and has no other form? So you admit their the same person? Proof that ND Chronos isn't just a clock? Where is it?

Hyoga calling him "the hourglass" is just a human expression to describe the God and his power. But Hyoga would only know aout this through the events of ND.

Deathtoll has a completely different appearance from the one shown in ND, and may be similar to Izo, who is a different version of the character and even survives the holy war, something different from what is described in Zero where everyone is said to have died.
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Again changes in art style is not enough separate timelines. Also if EVERYONE did die then Shion and Dohko would also be dead.


EDIT: Also i'll be leaving for work soon.
 
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