Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)

[TheUnshakableOne]

Those weapons were in the hands of saints who have not mastered the 7th sense.

also, you’re cross scaling with G when they’re different universes. Each universe has their own rules, you can’t assume the Libra weapons are the same tier.

wait HES CROSS SCALING wwwwwwhhhhhhhhuuuuuuuuuttttttttt

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

This man just said what…..

bruh x2

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Those weapons were in the hands of saints who have not mastered the 7th sense.

also, you’re cross scaling with G when they’re different universes. Each universe has their own rules, you can’t assume the Libra weapons are the same tier.

Weapons are described as having that power in the hands of the Bronze Saints.

Because they are described as having that power in that manga.

 

[Hasty12345]

This mans says every 2 hours bow cross scaling can’t be a thing then goes and cross scales smhmh

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

This mans says every 2 hours bow cross scaling can’t be a thing then goes and cross scales smhmh

When I did that.

Just accept it Episode.G has no impressive feats, and everything is powerscaling with the classic manga, Omega and Saintia Sho, which are the series of this franchise with more impressive feats. That's why you are so obsessed with cross-scale.

 

[Hasty12345]

Weapons are described as having that power in the hands of the Bronze Saints.

Because they are described as having that power in that manga.

Yes and guess who’s wielding them when they’re destroyed? Bronze saints wearing Gold cloths who do not have the 7th sense, this is all but confirmed in ND.

 

[Hasty12345]

When I did that.

Whenever is suits your narrative

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Yes and guess who’s wielding them when they’re destroyed? Bronze saints wearing Gold cloths who do not have the 7th sense, this is all but confirmed in ND.

Not at their highest level, that's why they even surpassed the power of the libra weapons when they destroyed the mainstay.

 

[Hasty12345]

When I did that.

Just accept it Episode.G has no impressive feats, and everything is powerscaling with the classic manga, Omega and Saintia Sho, which are the series of this franchise with more impressive feats. That's why you are so obsessed with cross-scale.

Classic has no feats.
sho has no feats.
Omega does have nice feats, but I don’t inherently agree with cross scaling toei and manga.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Classic has no feats.
sho has no feats.
Omega does have nice feats, but I don’t inherently agree with cross scaling toei and manga.

Classic is the manga with the best feats.
Sho has better feats than Episode.G.
Episode.G has no feats.
Omega is stupidly awesome in terms of feats.

 

[Hasty12345]

Classic has no feats. It’s the most downplayable shonen manga ever.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Classic has no feats. It’s the most downplayable shonen manga ever.

The whole franchise is downplayed (that happens when everything in this franchise is just descriptions that may be just hyperbole), something that is not new, that is why in Spanish, French and Portuguese forums it is never considered that the characters can destroy universes or galaxies in any way, although thanks to Sho and Omega some are beginning to consider that they may have that power.

 

[Hasty12345]

Classic is very “down to Earth” and is the manga with the worst feats.

All gold Saint scaling and statements are destroyed by the Libra weapons.

Poseidon has no feats aside from expanding his cosmo.

hades has no feats aside from being scared of the sun.

Most of Classic can be proven hyperbole without the other works.

 

[StekFence]

Without G Saint Seiya is beyond fodder. I find it absolutely hilarious you're implying otherwise.

I mean, i wouldnt say fodder... in terms of ap, U always have seiya downscaling from hades

 

[StekFence]

libra weapon = star

I mean, if u gonna take the libra weapons statement, u might as well talk about the multiple galaxy level statements for saga.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Classic is very “down to Earth” and is the manga with the worst feats.

All gold Saint scaling and statements are destroyed by the Libra weapons.

Poseidon has no feats aside from expanding his cosmo.

hades has no feats aside from being scared of the sun.

Most of Classic can be proven hyperbole without the other works.

Classic at least has the feats of Hades moving the planets of the Solar System and the creation of the world of the dead (which the author only makes bigger in the original manga), that's why the franchise is considered to be at least planet level. In contrast to Episode.G which does not have any feat of this level, the best feat of one of the strongest gods was only destroying the humanity of a planet like Earth, and Cronus threatens to extinguish the humanity with changes in time, because none destroys a planet in this whole manga.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I mean, if u gonna take the libra weapons statement, u might as well talk about the multiple galaxy level statements for saga.

Do you know how the universes in the multiverse of SS are creates ;~;

no one wants to answer the question and it makes me sad ;~;

 

[StekFence]

Do you know how the universes in the multiverse of SS are creates ;~;

no one wants to answer the question and it makes me sad ;~;

idk

 

[AlexZiggy]

Classic at least has the feats of Hades moving the planets of the Solar System and the creation of the world of the dead (which the author only makes bigger in the original manga), that's why the franchise is considered to be at least planet level. In contrast to Episode.G which does not have any feat of this level, the best feat of one of the strongest gods was only destroying the humanity of a planet like Earth, and Cronus threatens to extinguish the humanity with changes in time, because none destroys a planet in this whole manga.

Or, Mu destroying a galaxy sized dimension. That happened

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Or, Mu destroying a galaxy sized dimension. That happened

It only destroys the crack that Iapetos created and it is never said how big that thing is. Even the Starlight Extinction in that scene is not bigger than the tower of Mu, and Iapetos' best feat in that scene was to split the tower of Mu.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

idk

According to Episode G, Sho, Omega. Its driven by Human possibilities. Humans create infinite possibilities. Sho and Omega reference them as futures.

If the Gods created Mankind then there was a time when the multiverse never existed becausse humans didn't exist thus there is only 1 god

keeping long story short.

 

[Hasty12345]

It only destroys the crack that Iapetos created and it is never said how big that thing is. Starlight Extinction in that scene is not bigger than the tower of Mu, and Iapetos' best feat in that scene was to split the tower of Mu.

How you can sit there and spew BS like that, but then think Classic has better feats is a joke.

 

[StekFence]

How you can sit there and spew BS like that, but then think Classic has better feats is a joke.

In terms of feat, classic is pretty tame to my knowledge. Top tiers like Poseidon have stuff like Enveloping the universe, or Hades creating the whatever, but u can find pretty good statements in it as well

 

[Hasty12345]

In terms of feat, classic is pretty tame to my knowledge. Top tiers like Poseidon have stuff like Enveloping the universe, or Hades creating the whatever, but u can find pretty good statements in it as well

Iapetos states that Mu made his dimension vanish. There’s no mention of Mu destroying “a crack”, that’s pure head canon. Not to mention it’s consistent With Saga and Aiolia a couple chapters later being stated Galaxy level (Saga didn’t know about Mu’s power, even in Classic Mu’s power is unknown, it’s suspected he rivals Shaka in one statement).

Classic on the other hand has absolutely NOTHING. Not a single star being destroyed, not a single country being destroyed, no planets being destroyed.
Hades moving planets with his mind is not even an AP feat and if it was, I doubt it would be calced higher than planetary.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

How you can sit there and spew BS like that, but then think Classic has better feats is a joke.

Because it has better feats, since one of the most powerful gods in that manga did not even show the power to destroy planet Earth.

 

[AlexZiggy]

Iapetos states that Mu made his dimension vanish. There’s no mention of Mu destroying “a crack”, that’s pure head canon. Not to mention it’s consistent With Saga and Aiolia a couple chapters later being stated Galaxy level (Saga didn’t know about Mu’s power, even in Classic Mu’s power is unknown, it’s suspected he rivals Shaka in one statement).

Classic on the other hand has absolutely NOTHING. Not a single star being destroyed, not a single country being destroyed, no planets being destroyed.
Hades moving planets with his mind is not even an AP feat and if it was, I doubt it would be calced higher than planetary.

Well you do have Kanon's suicide attack against Rhada
Plus Hades creation feats

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Iapetos states that Mu made his dimension vanish. There’s no mention of Mu destroying “a crack”, that’s pure head canon. Not to mention it’s consistent With Saga and Aiolia a couple chapters later being stated Galaxy level (Saga didn’t know about Mu’s power, even in Classic Mu’s power is unknown, it’s suspected he rivals Shaka in one statement).

Classic on the other hand has absolutely NOTHING. Not a single star being destroyed, not a single country being destroyed, no planets being destroyed.
Hades moving planets with his mind is not even an AP feat and if it was, I doubt it would be calced higher than planetary.

The crack he created, a place of unknown size, and the Starlight Extinction doesn't even cover an area larger than the toerre of Mu.Saga only describes that his technique has the power of a supernova, but this is hyperbole, because he never shows that power in the manga, and the description changed in Assassin where it is now not described as galaxy level.

It is an AP feat, because it required energy to do that, and it can be calculated as planet level, a level that no god in Episode.G could reach in the whole manga, because even Zeus never destroyed a planet in that manga.

 

[AlexZiggy]

The crack he created, a place of unknown size, and the Starlight Extinction doesn't even cover an area larger than the toerre of Mu.Saga only describes that his technique has the power of a supernova, a hyperbole, because he never shows that power in the manga, and the description changed in Assassin where it is now not described as galaxy level.

He stated it was galaxy sized

 

[Hasty12345]

Because it has better feats, since one of the most powerful gods in that manga did not even show the power to destroy planet Earth.

Hades didn’t show the power to destroy Earth either, Cronus and Hades had the same goals, both wanted to end life on earth via Greatest Eclipse and Megas what’s it.

Not destroying the earth =\= can’t destroy earth. This is a common trope in fiction

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

He stated it was galaxy sized

It never indicates that it was that size.

 

[Hasty12345]

You’ve clearly never read G Lancelot, it painfully shows.

Zeus couldn’t destroy Earth because all his attempts were stopped by the legendary Bronzes, Seiya amped by a Great God, Athena and Julian Solo. Read the manga.

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Hades didn’t show the power to destroy Earth either, Cronus and Hades had the same goals, both wanted to end life on earth via Greatest Eclipse and Megas what’s it.

Not destroying the earth =\= can’t destroy earth. This is a common trope in fiction

Hades' feat can be calculated as at least planet level. Cronus altering time on Earth to extinguish mankind is impossible to calculate.

You’ve clearly never read G Lancelot, it painfully shows.

Zeus couldn’t destroy Earth because all his attempts were stopped by the legendary Bronzes, Seiya amped by a Great God, Athena and Julian Solo. Read the manga.

I read it, and that's why I'm aware of the feats of that manga, although there are really no exploits and only descriptions, because no character affected an area larger than a planet with his powers.

He attacked the Earth on several occasions and never destroyed the place, his best feat was to make a hole of several meters in the ground with one of his attacks. No god in that manga destroyed a single planet the size of Earth, the best feat was just wiping out humanity on one planet and we don't know how long it took him to do that.

 

[AlexZiggy]

It does though
raws

銀河 means galaxy

 

[Hasty12345]

The galaxy level statements by Saga are very much supported by the data book, which makes the feats and statements in the manga very much consistent.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

It does though
raws

銀河 means galaxy

does it say "infinitely Expanding Galaxy?" also isn't this just describing how much Cosmo Mu has and not a destruction feat? describing the size of ones cosmo doesnt usually corrolate 1 to 1 with AP iirc.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

The galaxy level statements by Saga are very much supported by the data book, which makes the feats and statements in the manga very much consistent.

iirc Taizen says he can disintergrate a galaxy which is sub-atomic feat from what i read on google so 3-B Classic Saga which thats what it should be anyways if calc'ed properly

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

The galaxy level statements by Saga are very much supported by the data book, which makes the feats and statements in the manga very much consistent.

He never destroys a galaxy in the manga, and the description changed in Assassin, where he is only described as destroying worlds, not galaxies.

It does though
raws

銀河 means galaxy

It's not the description of the crack that Iapetos created, it's just the description of Mu's cosmos, and it's just a mini galaxy in his hands, even Shaka also creates that in his hands when he attacks. So this is just another hyperbole, because it's not a real galaxy, and it's just a representation of the cosmos.

 

[Hasty12345]

iirc Taizen says he can disintergrate a galaxy which is sub-atomic feat from what i read on google so 3-B Classic Saga which thats what it should be anyways if calc'ed properly

Well I’m talking about G, this guy is trying to make the 2001 Hypermyth non-canon which will render the Taizen non-canon as well, so Saga’s statements are hyperbole in Classic coz Libra weapons

 

[Lancelot_de_Cancer]

Well I’m talking about G, this guy is trying to make the 2001 Hypermyth non-canon which will render the Taizen non-canon as well, so Saga’s statements are hyperbole in Classic coz Libra weapons

I never said that Taizen was not canon.

 

[Hasty12345]

It's not the description of the crack that Iapetos created, it's just the description of Mu's cosmos, and it's just a mini galaxy in his hands, even Shaka also creates that in his hands when he attacks. So this is just another hyperbole, because it's not a real galaxy, and it's just a representation of the cosmos.

Iapetos states Mu made his universe vanish in the raws