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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)
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The answer is no, because Kurumada never participated in that work in any way, although for the Wiki rules (not updated) the information from the 2001 version can be used, but this version does not mention anything about a 9th sense. And for the original manga or main universe the 8th Sense is the ultimate sense of the Saints, because Kurumada based this concept on the eight consciousnesses.
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Buddha's are enlightened beings, the 9th sense goes against their whole being and existence, of course they don't have it.
And no Saint knew about the 9th sense, it wasn't until Shura, Saga and Deathmask say the power of nothingness they even considered it's existence. Saints aren't exposed to the knowledge of the gods often, this is made perfectly clear with how they found out about the 8th sense - Shaka found out by being told from Buddha.
Hence, no statement made in Classic contradicts the 9th sense, the statements are made without the knowledge of it's existence, there's 0 contradiction.
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As for the Hypermyth the 2001 Taizen includes excerpts from the Hypermyth which is considered canon so those passages are canon. Unless you want to argue the Taizen isn't canon either, those passages will remain canon, just like any databook, any contradictions will be rendered null - this is true for any series regardless of media.
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Taizen introduces a different explanation of those descriptions (and Taizen also does not mention anything about a 9th sense, even in the glossary of this work only the 8th sense is mentioned), and as a guide is subject to change by the author in his future works, after all we do not know what Kurumada's full contribution to that work was. Even the official site which is more recent has a different and updated description for the characters and some character attacks.
In the Museum section of the official website, in the glossary of words, there is no mention of a 9th sense and they only describe the 7th and 8th sense.
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two errors the eighth sense is something that neither the gods have knowledge of and something that only golden saints possess and this goes much more against a 9 sense since shaka makes it clear that there are only the eight kurumada concias, manga or manga is not canonically shown either affirming the existence of divine will being something uniquely of the hypermyth
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As I said it contradicts what was shown in the classic manga where only the 8th sense is described as the ultimate sense of the Saints, a sense that even a goddess like Athena did not know, and she has to awaken like the rest of the Saints after Shaka revealed that secret.
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The website doesn't mention the 9th sense because maybe because it's not relevant to the plot given no character ascends to godhood....Taizen introduces a different explanation of those descriptions (and Taizen also does not mention anything about a 9th sense, even in the glossary of this work only the 8th sense is mentioned), and as a guide is subject to change by the author in his future works, after all we do not know what Kurumada's full contribution to that work was. Even the official site which is more recent has a different and updated description for the characters and some character attacks.
In the Museum section of the official website, in the glossary of words, there is no mention of a 9th sense and they only describe the 7th and 8th sense.
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Saori* Who is a HUMAN reincarnation of Athena and does not know.
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It's very clear the museum only references events in the original manga that are plot relevant....
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no you are choosing what supports your argument when you yourself accept taizen takes precedence and the revised taizen 2021 completely denies the existence of ninth sense even kurumada
in the chronology denies hypermito
in the chronology denies hypermito
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Saori has the memories and knowledge of the mythological Athena, even this is explained in detail in Saintia Sho with the awakening of Athena, an element that Kurumada introduces as canon in Next Dimension (and was also mentioned in the last chapter of Dark Wing). The goddess herself does not know this sense, that is why Shaka revealed this secret to her, and she has to awaken it like the rest of the Saints.
The classic manga is the main work of this franchise and confirms that Kurumada never described anything like a 9th sense in the franchise, because in that page there are only the concepts that Kurumada introduces to this franchise, where for him the 8th sense is the maximum sense, a power that even the gods do not possess and know (and speaking of Taizen, even in that work it is described that the Underworld is an unreachable place for the power of the gods).
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It is never mentioned that she mastered the 8th sense (even the Bronze Saints also awakened that sense for a few seconds or short time but did not master it), that's why she can die for the sacred treasures in Next Dimension (the goddess is even dying from Samael's poison and the Pope gave Ikki the Chrysus Sword to kill Saori), and what does this have to do with Chronos and time travel, the power of time is an exclusive power of Chronos in Next Dimension and the Gold Saints also showed the ability to cross through time after transcending and reaching a different plane of existence (when they were destroyed body and soul in the Wailing Wall scene).
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Artemis confirms only Chronos has the power to time travel and it's never mentioned the Golds mastered the 8th sense, that is head canon. It is never stated. Time travelling is not an 8th sense ability and is likely only possible due to the spacetime distortion created AFTER Chronos sent post-8th sense Athena to the past.
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This only confirms that Artemis does not know the full power of the 8th Sense, because it is a power that even the gods do not possess and know. Only the Gold Saints dominate the senses, the rest like the Bronze Saints and other characters only awaken the senses for small moments. It is said that the spirit of the Gold Saints crossed time and space to protect Saori, this has nothing to do with the distortion, even Hyoga also indicates to Gestalt that the appearance of Aiolos' will in his temple has nothing to do with the distortion and it was only Aiolos' spirit sending his will to the past. And this was an ability that the Gold Saints gained only after transcending to a different plane of existence after their death, something Athena did not do.
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Headcanons. Headcanons everything
Sorry guys but classic is old. Just because something isn't stated in a 5 decade old series but stated in a newer series means the newer series added information thus it takes precedence first and foremost.
Also not stated doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Sorry guys but classic is old. Just because something isn't stated in a 5 decade old series but stated in a newer series means the newer series added information thus it takes precedence first and foremost.
Also not stated doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Nah I'm convinced. The Gold Saints are clearly are superior to Chronos and the Olympians as they can time travel without the lake of time unlike the gods. Chronos doesn't even have the 7th sense as he's not light speed. He has no light speed feats so clearly he doesn't have 7th sense.
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false even next dimension in its new capituros rejects your notion can not say that if it is not shown it does not exist completely something of yours even taizen 2001 denies the existence ninth sense
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He doesn't know about the 8th sense and has no proof of 7th sense feats so should be downgraded to multi-continental for scaling above Silver Saints as he can use cosmo
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in your opinion, what tier do you have Classic and only Classic Gold Saints?
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What tier do you have the gold saints at maximum. Do you have them at star? Do you have them at planetary? Do do you have them at mountain level?
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With all the wanking from Kurumada to Asclepius it is possible that the future will be even stronger than the gods.
But, actually they are not stronger, they just have an ability that they do not have, something normal in this franchise, for something Asclepius can resurrect the dead and regenerate his body, while Athena does not have this ability.
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The strongest part of the franchise and with the best feats is Kurumada's classic manga or main universe, that's why the cross-scale for the other spin-offs is so important, because these manga or series don't have comparable feats. Even with Next Dimension feats they can be up to 2-B if we accept Shaka and Shijima's fight where they are said to destroy and create countless universes in their fight.
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How can the gold saints out scale the Libra Weapons which are only star level and the Wailing Wall was destroyed by star level weapons? Seems like Classic scales only to multi-star level 
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Do you believe the AE is 3-A or Low 2-C?
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Shaka and Shijima's feat was a representation of concepts, no universes were destroyed.
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Classic series has tis own Universal Feats
but you won't be satisfied until Zeus is 5-C, and see Gold Stronger than Gods. Whihc is why separating the canons is so important to you.
Edit: Also going by Shaka Vs Shijima fight it would be a 5D low 1-C feat via Hypertimeline logic (Keeping long story short) otherwise it won't be 2-B but 3-A attack spam.
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Shun describes the fight and he describes what he sees at that moment.
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And Shun is wrong as both techniques used were light and darkness representing concepts, Shun saw an illusion. Sorry but Classic caps out at 4-B.
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It's not important, that's why I accept the cross-scale of the franchise, the only thing I don't accept is that they try to use an explanation from another universe for what is presented in the main universe, because they are different universes even if they are part of the same multiverse.
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Even though Core Concepts are kept the same and we do know that their are only 1 God in all of the multiverse through a huge multitude of statements.
Let me ask you a question. Do you know what creates the Multiverse in Saint Seiya?
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