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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)

Ryzen7900X said:
hold on, that's only possible if the "multiverse" was still a thing, you could have the OG saint seiya branch off from G Universe whereas the GA timeline also branches off separately, in fact i'm pretty sure thats how GA handles it. the problem is, with GA no longer being canon idk if this is valid anymore unless the basis to consider G canon is Kurumada's unknown amount of supervision which, as far as I've seen, the wiki is very reluctant on using as evidence of canonicity
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DW, which is in the same multiverse as the classic, established that there are infinite workds
 
StekFence said:
DW, which is in the same multiverse as the classic, established that there are infinite workds
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yeah I know but DW itself has no reason to be canon unless i'm missing something? it was written by Ueda who is a friend of Shiori and has helped on a few other projects but thats it. besides having infinite worlds doesnt really address that (I think even ND has enough evidence for infinite worlds)
 
Ryzen7900X said:
yeah I know but DW itself has no reason to be canon unless i'm missing something? it was written by Ueda who is a friend of Shiori and has helped on a few other projects but thats it. besides having infinite worlds doesnt really address that (I think even ND has enough evidence for infinite worlds)
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The aiolos who appears is specifically the same aiolos as classic. Moreover, Athena soul shows the GC bronze boys
 
As I see it, the Kuru Multiverse is pretty much, To,Rrop,Classic,nd,sho,g, DW, and Tlc. The last three are different worlds, but in the same cosmology.

Then there’s Okada, which is Classic,G, first few chapters of ND lol, GA, and GR.
 
StekFence said:
Ok. Let’s assume you are correct. Even if you aren’t. So in next dimension, Chronos the primordial is the god of time. Yes?
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The problem is that I'm correct, it doesn't make sense for there to be two gods of time in the same timeline, there are several other things that reject the EP G being canon to the classic.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
The problem is that I'm correct, it doesn't make sense for there to be two gods of time in the same timeline, there are several other things that reject the EP G being canon to the classic.
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Even in ND there’s two gods of time tho? Chronos in ND isn’t Zeus father. But we know Zeus has a father, who’s also the god of time. Unless you want to argue Zeus is the result of immaculate conception and the titans don’t exist. In which case, you do you.
 
StekFence said:
They are seperate cosmologies
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Exactly! Therefore there is no need for a fusion of cosmology, where I explicitly see that there are images of EP G in the classic, as conceptual manipulation that is accepted, only exists in EP G, where I saw mentions, there are also TLC things in the original profile, which don't follow the same plot, they are alternative universes that do not intersect, I've kind of seen comments from the creator of TLC mentioning that it was based on canon, but that is another reality.
 
StekFence said:
No, the aiolos who appears in Dark Wings is explicitly the same soul as the aiolos who died in kurumads manga.
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isn't that just a case of Classic being canon to DW than the other way around? like if MUI Goku appears in DBH that means ToP was canon to DBH not that DBH is canon to DBS
 
Ryzen7900X said:
isn't that just a case of Classic being canon to DW than the other way around? like if MUI Goku appears in DBH that means ToP was canon to DBH not that DBH is canon to DBS
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I don’t really think so. The reason why some canons are one way is because they are just incoherent with one another one way. But DW seems pretty fitting with the classic. And makes an effort to make sure we know that this is still the StS we know, just in a different universe.
 
Like, Athena literally goes, Wyvern, you have to be pandoras protective wing boy. Just like how I had a wing boy in other universes, and then proceeds to show GC Seiya. Like, yes you could argue that it’s just another classic that happened to be in the same multiverse, and not THE classic, but that seems rather… idk
 
StekFence said:
Like, Athena literally goes, Wyvern, you have to be pandoras protective wing boy. Just like how I had a wing boy in other universes, and then proceeds to show GC Seiya. Like, yes you could argue that it’s just another classic that happened to be in the same multiverse, and not THE classic, but that seems rather… idk
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It’s a rather convoluted way to not arrive at what seems like an obvious and intended conclusion.
 
StekFence said:
I don’t really think so. The reason why some canons are one way is because they are just incoherent with one another one way. But DW seems pretty fitting with the classic. And makes an effort to make sure we know that this is still the StS we know, just in a different universe.
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i get that but that still doesnt tell me why it must considered canon to the main works as opposed to just being its own little spin-offs. Just because it doesnt present major contradictions doesnt mean we can just add it into the timeline. by that logic pretty much any saint seiya fanfic manga that doesnt majorly contradict Kurumada's work would be "canon" wouldnt it?
 
Ryzen7900X said:
i get that but that still doesnt tell me why it must considered canon to the main works as opposed to just being its own little spin-offs. Just because it doesnt present major contradictions doesnt mean we can just add it into the timeline. by that logic pretty much any saint seiya fanfic manga that doesnt majorly contradict Kurumada's work would be "canon" wouldnt it?
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You do realize that it’s an officially licensed work right? We aren’t talking about the chaos chapter or anythin
 
StekFence said:
Like, Athena literally goes, Wyvern, you have to be pandoras protective wing boy. Just like how I had a wing boy in other universes, and then proceeds to show GC Seiya. Like, yes you could argue that it’s just another classic that happened to be in the same multiverse, and not THE classic, but that seems rather… idk
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yeah it is pretty much referring to the classic, that much I get. what I'm asking is how a spin-off referencing a canon work makes the spin-off canon. that just seems weird
 
Ryzen7900X said:
yeah it is pretty much referring to the classic, that much I get. what I'm asking is how a spin-off referencing a canon work makes the spin-off canon. that just seems weird
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It says it’s in the same multiverse, ergo it’s in the same multiverse.
 
StekFence said:
It says it’s in the same multiverse, ergo it’s in the same multiverse.
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but that multiverse doesnt exist in canon (I mean, I think it does personally but forget that for now). it exists in DW, which you havent shown me how its canon to classic. is every officially licensed manga canon? because that is also clearly not true. even if it heavily recalls the events of classic, that just means that classic is canon to DW, not that DW is canon to classic. heck it would be weird if a spinoff didnt heavily reference classic. you'd need ND or another canon, Kurumada made work referencing these spinoffs for the latter option
 
Ryzen7900X said:
no? since when was that ever the standard? if that was our standard DBH would've been canon long ago due to referencing pretty much all DB material
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Not really? Since characters from Super never interact with heroes. The super characters in heroes are pretty much just alternate versions. Even if they shared the same cosmology, super has no scaling to it
 
StekFence said:
Not really? Since characters from Super never interact with heroes. The super characters in heroes are pretty much just alternate versions. Even if they shared the same cosmology, super has no scaling to it
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do characters from ND interact with anyone in Dark Wing?
 
If one considers cc goku, the events that happen to him are different from the events occurring to super goku, so they aren’t the same. But this distinction doesn’t necessarily apply in this case
 
Also, pretty sure the number of timeline in super is different from the number in heroes. Which is not the case in nd to dw, as nd never mentions how many timelines there are.
 
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