Sabo's "Ryu no Ibuki", is it Dura Neg?

[DaMonkeMan]

Sabo claims that some of his attacks focus on him "sending the impact/force of his attack to the core of his target", evident by him cracking this big ring with it after "finding the core".
Seeing as things that are very similar to this, such as Internal Destruction Haki are considered Dura Neg, why shouldn't this?

 

[Eminiteable]

It now doesn't have any real evidence towards it, as Oda may have said that they had Haki pre ts, but never said they had Advanced Armament (and he clearly somewhat had an idea of it in his mind seeing as Zoro, Sentomaru, Boa Marigold and the OG Admiral Trio all had it). It should also be noted that Lucci used Rokougan on Punk Atlas and only her outer layers were destroyed, with no signs of her insides getting destroyed by the shockwave. He also has none of the requirements for Emission or Internal Destruction shown here, at all. It should be safe to say that they do not have it, atleast not pre ts or in attacks like Rokougan.

CP9 don't have haki for the Rokougan, they're stated to have it via their vivre cards, this point is completely invalid.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

CP9 don't have haki for the Rokougan, they're stated to have it via their vivre cards, this point is completely invalid.

I only even mentioned it because people kind of speculated about it in other threads, though I should probably move it somewhere else because it's not relevant to my point about Sabo. I just wanted to make the post a bit longer.

 

[Fireld]

The Dragon Claw Fist & Robin might have this ability too. Sabo told Robin to visualise her opponent's core when teaching her the technique. When he haki-clashed against Burgess, they were somewhat close with both of them frowning & having shaking lines yet Sabo shattered his armor.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

The Dragon Claw Fist & Robin might have this ability too. Sabo told Robin to visualise her opponent's core when teaching her the technique. When he haki-clashed against Burgess, they were somewhat close with both of them frowning & having shaking lines yet Sabo shattered his armor.

Agreed.
Should I promote this thread btw?

 

[Fireld]

Should I promote this thread btw?

If you mean linking this in the Egghead General Thread, then sure.

 

[Kachon123]

I disagree with durability negation. Sabo seems to be making cracks in the ground and then sending the attack inside those cracks.

As for the Burgess example, that may just be an example of Damage Boost, not durability negation, as if it were actual durability negation, Burgess would have ended up like Corrida Colosseum.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I never really mentioned Jesus Burgess though he was wrecked by Sabo.
Also, he first taps on the ground, finds it's.. "Core", and then sticks his "claw" in it and sends a shockwave through it.

 

[Kachon123]

"Core", and then sticks his "claw" in it and sends a shockwave through it.

Through the cracks. Who's to say he can do the same in something that doesn't have cracks? Or to a person?

At most, I'd say it's limited durability negation, but I stills stand by damage boost moreso.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Through the cracks. Who's to say he can do the same in something that doesn't have cracks? Or to a person?

At most, I'd say it's limited durability negation, but I stills stand by damage boost moreso.

He said it him self. He's sending the bulk of the attack to the center of his opponent. Putting a crack in something doesn't automatically make it crumble into tens of pieces. He sent a shockwave through it to make it crack, sort of like Whitebeard ( but obviously not on his level ).

 

[Kachon123]

He sent a shockwave through it to make it crack

That's clearly not the case. Sabo stuck his hands in the arena, which caused cracks, then he used "Breath", which destroyed the colosseum via sending force through the cracks.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

What do you think that force was if he had his hands stuck in the arena? Clearly sent a shockwave through it.

 

[Kachon123]

What do you think that force was if he had his hands stuck in the arena?

What do you mean? He just stuck his hands in the ground.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

What even is your argument? Did you see the image?
He simply tapped on it with his fist, then unclenched, sticked his hands in it, and sent the force throughout the ground to destroy it. Pretty simple.

 

[Kachon123]

He stuck his hands in the ground, which made cracks in the area around him, then he sent the force inside those cracks.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Doesn't negate the fact that he has dura neg.

 

[Kachon123]

Doesn't prove that he does either.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Yes it does. You your self just admitted he sent a shockwave throughout the arena to crack it. That was the whole point of it, and that's how he described it.

 

[Kachon123]

throughout the arena

Through the cracks. There's no proof that he could do it without those cracks being present, hence why I said at most it would be limited durability negation.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

It's kind of weird to think he wouldn't be able to send force through it without the cracks though. How do you think he cracked it in the first place?

 

[Kachon123]

How do you think he cracked it in the first place?

By sticking his hands in the ground.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Sticking his hands in the ground only causes cracks in the part he stuck his hands in.

 

[Kachon123]

Using the anime for clarification, it seems that he's using a lot of physical strength when sticking his hand in the ground which causes the cracks in the arena (similar to what you'd see after an earthquake), then he used Ryu no Ibuki through those cracks which destroyed the colosseum.

Now I'm even less inclined to agree with any form of durability negation because he just blew apart the already present cracks in the ground by sending a force through them

 

[Kachon123]

It seems to just be wind manipulation as we see the wind carry rocks as well.

Also it would make sense considering it's implied that Dragon taught him this, and Dragon was able to do this

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Using the anime for clarification, it seems that he's using a lot of physical strength when sticking his hand in the ground which causes the cracks in the arena (similar to what you'd see after an earthquake), then he used Ryu no Ibuki through those cracks which destroyed the colosseum.

Now I'm even less inclined to agree with any form of durability negation because he just blew apart the already present cracks in the ground by sending a force through them

Given the Anime's track record for the post timeskip adaptations that's probably not too reliable.
Also, it's definitely a shockwave because of my next point:

It seems to just be wind manipulation as we see the wind carry rocks as well.

Also it would make sense considering it's implied that Dragon taught him this, and Dragon was able to do this

Dragon literally does nothing there. He's just standing and sending gusts of wind throughout the town. Most likely a Devil Fruit ability, which he can't really teach Sabo.

 

[Kachon123]

Dragon literally does nothing there. He's just standing and sending gusts of wind throughout the town. Most likely a Devil Fruit ability, which he can't really teach Sabo.

Also, it's definitely a shockwave because of my next point:

I used a strikethrough because it isn't an actual argument and can be ignored.

Given the Anime's track record for the post timeskip adaptations that's probably not too reliable.

The wiki allows us to use the anime if it has no contradictions to the manga and is used for further clarification.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Well I still definitely think the force was some type of shockwave.

 

[Kachon123]

Well I still definitely think the force was some type of shockwave.

Proof?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Read the page?

 

[Kachon123]

Read the page?

We literally just had a discussion on it and I told you why you're wrong and you're telling me to read it again? At least defend your points more or come up with new ones.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Dude, leave the thread if you have no valid points. He sends a shockwave through the ground and it's cracks to break it into multiple pieces.

 

[Kachon123]

He sends a shockwave through the ground and it's cracks to break it into multiple pieces.

Proof?

 

[Kachon123]

Dude, leave the thread if you have no valid points

How are my points invalid?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

then he used Ryu no Ibuki through those cracks which destroyed the colosseum.

Proof?

You your self agree that he sent the force of the attack into the ground.

 

[Kachon123]

You your self agree that he sent the force of the attack into the ground.

Now I'm even less inclined to agree with any form of durability negation because he just blew apart the already present cracks in the ground by sending a force through them

It seems to just be wind manipulation as we see the wind carry rocks as well.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

It's not wind manipulation. That's a side effect of him using the shockwave on it.

 

[Kachon123]

What's the proof that there even is a shockwave?

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I'm not going to hold your hand the entire time. You saw him use one in the cracks to separate the blocks. Stop with the repetitive arguments.
Going to stop talking frequently in this thread until someone else chimes in so I don't just go in circles with you. It's currently 1 person that disagrees with the OP and 2 that agree with it.

 

[Kachon123]

For attacks that use shockwaves, there are usually statements. For example, Marco's Bluebird, Impact Dials, and Kuma's Paws

 

[Kachon123]

Sabo never once mentioned a shockwave.