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Issho and Sabo upgrades.

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Eseseso said:
Wait a sec, didn't Jesus Burgess alongside BB's other commanders endure one of Sengoku's shockwaves?

I mean, it's listed currently for Shiryu as a High 6-A durability feat.
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It's not a High 6-A durability feat for them really considering each one would only be withstanding a fraction of the total attack.
 
Damage3245 said:
It's not a High 6-A durability feat for them really considering each one would only be withstanding a fraction of the total attack.
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I mean, each of them was still taking like 1/10th of a Yonko-lvl attack.

It was a bubble that surrounded all of the commanders, so it was meant to attack all of them.

If Kaido's Bolo Breath hit multiple people and they all endured it, we wouldn't say that their durability doesn't scale to the power of the Bolo Breath.
 
I'm still wondering how this wouldn't cause a bit of a problem if Burgess and Sabo scaled to that.
 
Eseseso said:
I mean, each of them was still taking like 1/10th of a Yonko-lvl attack.

It was a bubble that surrounded all of the commanders, so it was meant to attack all of them.

If Kaido's Bolo Breath hit multiple people and they all endured it, we wouldn't say that their durability doesn't scale to the power of the Bolo Breath.
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That's not really how surface area & durability works....
 
Damage3245 said:
It's not a High 6-A durability feat for them really considering each one would only be withstanding a fraction of the total attack.
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So the power of Sengoku shockwave splits for each BB Pirate like Nami's lightning with Doflamingo's underlings? Is this property special to vibration & elecetric attacks in specific?
 
Fireld said:
So the power of Sengoku shockwave splits for each BB Pirate like Nami's lightning with Doflamingo's underlings? Is this property special to vibration & elecetric attacks in specific?
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No. Same principle applies if you were scaling durability from an explosion which a group of people were caught up in. It would be weird to assume that each person was hit by the full energy of the explosion equally.
 
Those commanders ate that attack (which was from a pissed Sengoku, so we know he was not holding back) much better than any scabbard or Queen level person would have.

So that's another support for High 6-A Sabo via scaling to Jesus Burgess's durability (and Jesus matched Sabo in AP so his AP would scale too), which scales to Issho as Issho casually matched Sabo.
 
Eseseso said:
Those commanders ate that attack (which was from a pissed Sengoku, so we know he was not holding back) much better than any scabbard or Queen level person would have.
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Haha okay.
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TheMonkeMan said:
Tbf Big Mom just slammed his ass into the ground with crazy gorilla strength.
Makes sense it could incapacitate him.
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Regardless, Jesus and all the other commanders ate a shockwave from an enraged full-power Sengoku and were relatively fine.

We currently use it to justify Shiryu's High 6-A durability.

It is a feat much better than feats done by the likes of Killer (who survived an Indra but was knocked out for a minute and needed to be saved by Luffy or Kaido would've eaten him then and there) or the Scabbards.

Here's a scaling chain:

Sengoku's attack ~= Pre-timeskip Jesus's durability =< Post-timeskip Jesus's durability (he likely got stronger and tougher over 2 years) = Sabo's AP = Issho

Also, Sabo's AP = Jesus's AP.
 
Eseseso said:
If Kaido's Bolo Breath hit multiple people and they all endured it, we wouldn't say that their durability doesn't scale to the power of the Bolo Breath.
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we do.., the ones who scale to the full yeild of bolo breath are only luffy and kaido himself
 
So, because Jack is H6A, is safe for us to also upgrades Zunesha? Jack feels fear when he saw his trunk flying to him and get destroyed
 
KochengPutih said:
So, because Jack is H6A, is safe for us to also upgrades Zunesha? Jack feels fear when he saw his trunk flying to him and get destroyed
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He feels fear because it is a gigantic trunk swinging to destroy his fleet in one strike. It doesn't need to ba lethal threat for him to feel fear at the prospect of it being swung at him.
 
Sus said:
Or its an outlier even for shiryu
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Well, Shiryu is already a High 6-A since Blackbeard called him dangerous, but Burgess took the same amount of the shockwave as BB and Shiryu did and looked honestly fine afterwards.

If only Burgess didn't have such a crappy DF.
 
Eseseso said:
Well poison is more dura neg hax, but Shiryu was viewed by Blackbeard as dangerous.
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Yeah, but he was still compared to Magellan regardless.
If dura neg is off the table for AP and what not, remove most of Law's justifications save for him poking Kaidou's throat and clashing with Blackbeard.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
Yeah, but he was still compared to Magellan regardless.
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Magellan is a ******* anomaly.

Dude almost ended BB's career but struggled with Marineford Luffy.
TheMonkeMan said:
If dura neg is off the table for AP and what not, remove most of Law's justifications save for him poking Kaidou's throat and clashing with Blackbeard.
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1. It's support, and Law still has enough AP feats like Takt and Injection Shot.

2. His Awakened Dura Neg does still require some high level AP since it's not like Big Mom's organs and bones are as soft and squishy as a normal person's.

Those shockwaves his Awakening used to break her rib bones required AP for sure.
 
Eseseso said:
Magellan is a ******* anomaly.

Dude almost ended BB's career but struggled with Marineford Luffy.
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It's because he uses his DF as a crutch.
I imagine that once BB came back and negged his fruit he got clapped six ways from Sunday.
Also Marineford Luffy was H6A for hurting Garp
Eseseso said:
1. It's support, and Law still has enough AP feats like Takt and Injection Shot.

2. His Awakened Dura Neg does still require some high level AP since it's not like Big Mom's organs and bones are as soft and squishy as a normal person's.

Those shockwaves his Awakening used to break her rib bones required AP for sure.
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Fair points tbh.
 
Eseseso said:
Also, @MonkeyOfLife found that Issho's Vivre card said:
Before 00 ドフラミンゴ護送中にジャックを返り討ちにする

Which translates to either:

Before 00 Retaliates against Jack while escorting Doflamingo
Before 00 Strikes back at Jack while escorting Doflamingo
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I had another proposition for the OP: Maybe link a pic of Fujitora's vivre card timeline like you did with Tsuru's, if possible.
 
KingTempest said:
Why is it possibly
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Yeah, actually now that Sabo scales above Burgess's durability, I'm going to remove the possibly.

In short:

Pre-TS Burgess's durability (which took a hit from Sengoku, which we already use to justify Shiryu's High 6-A durability) < Post-TS Burgess's durability = Casual Sabo's AP = Burgess's AP < Sabo with Rage, Devil Fruit, Haki, or Ryu no Ibuki
 
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