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Saber VS Monkey D. Luffy
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No it isn't. Luffy doesn't suddenly gain access to 4-D abilities because he is fighting a servant.
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Servant's aren't 4-D.
They don't have Higher Dimensional Existence and even the biggest Fate Wankers on the site will disagree with you.
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Mystery is a 4-D concept in Nasuverse. A servant's invulnerability is dependent on such a concept. If your shit doesn't have Mystery, it can not harm Servants. Thus the 4-D Invulnerability argument here.
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Mystery and their invulnerability were already accepted as 4-D in a CRT. You are simply choosing to ignore what is accepted on the wiki.
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No it literally isn't, Magic and Souls are 4-D in nature in the Nasuverse. Read it and weep.
The invulnerability again, doesn't scale to 4-D. Servant's are not 4-D constructs.
It literally isn't. The Nasuverse has accepted 4-D Magic abilities, not Higher Dimensional Existence or Manipulation.
The only person ignorant here is you buddy. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Servant_Physiology
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I have been moved by your great argument. In-fact, the scales have fallen from my eyes, and I realized that since all magecraft is 4D, and magecraft can be fueled by life energy, ergo every single human in Type Moon has 4-D bodily fluids and is thus immune to blood manipulation of infinite reach and power. And they are all able to fight with their bare limbs, which is the most primordial combat method as provided above, so they have 4-D martial arts too, clearly.
He doesn't get access to any 4-D abilities, you are right. Having Mystery isn't an ability.
Anyhow, I can't believe we're now unironically arguing about whether all servants are immune to anything below tier 2 because of muh Mystery. I am genuinely mystified about how anybody could read any of the novels, or play the games, and get that idea.
Servants are vulnerable to anything that is old, or supernatural. That's it.
I mean, for one, imma need a quote on that? Preferably a quote for the source in the story, but you can just quote where it was accepted that Mystery itself is 4D.
Secondly, that's absolutely covered by verse equalization, for the same reason a character gains a "4-D soul" when fighting a Servant/Magus/Phantasmal that targets the soul, because it is fundamental for their interactions. Artoria and Luffy cannot exist in the same world without either Luffy not gaining Mystery due to how Type Moon works, or Artoria dying for the lack of Mystery, and we both know which one would be done for a vsbattle.
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I'll just ask some Fate fans who actually know what they're talking about.
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Uh, the thread you are bringing up hasn't even been accepted lmao. In fact, it actually seems to be denied by multiple knowledgeable members.
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Quoting the CRT (which was accepted, unlike the one you quoted)
"Magecraft becomes 4D in potency, something that scales to basically every relevant ability in the verse
Conceptual weapons have Soul, Concept, and Information hax
Magic Resistance also has damage reduction
Divinity negates things like resistance and invulnerability
Mystery gains Invulnerability and Negation of it, as well as some stuff like NPI, Accelerated Development, and Spatial Manipulation"
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Uhhh, reading comprehension clearly isn't your thing given your past experience in that Kaido vs Garou thread (Lmao Garou having better endurance.), if you actually bothered to read the thread rather than skimming it over you'd see the general consensus was that Servant Invulnerability can be bypassed by energies, magic, or anything with enough Mystery or Age.
This shit is blatantly explained in the novels and games.
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Contacted knowledgeable Nasuverse fans, this'll be settled soon.
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Did you miss the part of the thread that specifically went over how Verse Equalization covers Mystery? Where someone mentioned other verses should not get it, and was immediately shot down?
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@LordGinSama
You need to try to control your behaviour so it does not turn too aggressive. The b-word, low-key insults, and laughing at others seems like a big overreaction in combination.
I will also remove the b-word.
You need to try to control your behaviour so it does not turn too aggressive. The b-word, low-key insults, and laughing at others seems like a big overreaction in combination.
I will also remove the b-word.
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I don't care about the weeb thread, but could y'all play nice? Act like adults? You particularly, Gin. This isn't an official warning or anything, not yet, I just want to step in before someone says something that they'll regret and might warrant such a warning. Thank you, return to arguing.
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Mainly due to you spreading blatant misinformation while acting as if it's a fact.
Probably shouldn't have said bitch, but that's some BS on the laughing part. Every comment Phoenks has "lol" or "lmao." at the end of it.
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What "blatant misinformation" the thread you posted was never accepted. Mystery on the other hand has been accepted as 4-D as per the thread posted above.
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The thread you posted rebuffed your point directly...
Anyways, this thread is done. Go to the removal thread if you can get support on verse equalization not covering Mystery.
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No, the Invulnerability blocking out everything 3-D. That's never been something accepted on the wiki, literally anyone who's knowledgeable on the verse would tell you that's some wank.
Also that thread I linked reached a conclusion, it was never implemented. Total difference there bud.
Servant's aren't impervious to everything 3-D. They are not 4-D nor do they have the type of Higher Dimensional Existence than you seem to be strongly insinuating.
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Well, you were aggressive, laughed at others, and insulted them in combination...
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I'm just gonna ignore you now, definitely starting to act Antagonistic.
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Others were also being rude, yes. Everyone just tone it back, from what I can tell the voting on this match is finished anyways. No need to cultivate bad blood over nothing.
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Ant, no offense, but this is a Verses Thread, not a place to discuss potential rule violations or who insulted who. We have a thread for that.
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Agreed.
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Gin was reported. It is in fact standard to step in to give a general warning, especially if the offense had not yet escalated to needing one on their profile. I don't understand why you folks are trying to argue against that. Just chill out, lads.
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I am aware he was reported, I saw said report, and I just think it's best to take said warning into that thread and not into a concluded verses thread.
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I can't actually find what you are you referring to. There are only 4 instances of the term "Verse Equalization" in that thread, and nothing ever came of that discussion.
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When Zencha brings up how other verses can bypass mystery invul by meeting the standards of Mystery, he specifically says it's an already accepted thing that should be removed, and the only one who acknowledges it is in immediate disagreement. Unless some new CRT removed that, the same should still apply.
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I don't see why the same should still apply when it was revised to be 4-D. Huh?
Is your argument that since it was convered in verse equalization when it was 3-D it should also be equalized now, despite it being 4-D?
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I don't know whether this was discussed by Fate supporters or not, but if the divine mystery based invulnerability/intangibility is based on a universally 4-D concept then it should definitely be mentioned. If it's agreed on only.
You can't leave it out and expect others to believe your claim that's seemingly baseless when visiting the servant physiology page. And if the majority of supporters agree that it doesn't require 4-D shenanigans vs characters without them, then either leave it be or don't debate it at all.
Better off doing a CRT about Servant Physiology being on a 4D level before actually arguing it based on something the majority of supporters disagree on.
You can't leave it out and expect others to believe your claim that's seemingly baseless when visiting the servant physiology page. And if the majority of supporters agree that it doesn't require 4-D shenanigans vs characters without them, then either leave it be or don't debate it at all.
Better off doing a CRT about Servant Physiology being on a 4D level before actually arguing it based on something the majority of supporters disagree on.
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Servant Invulnerability being 4-D is ******* moronic at best. Magic is 4-D, servant Invulnerability on the other hand can be bypassed by even 3-D shit long as they have enough mystery.
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I mean... To me this just seems like the situation that happened to the last op vs fate match.... Fate supporter either spreading misinformation or prolonging it for some reason.. I'm not saying that's whats happening right now, I'm saying that's what it looks like to me but either way this match is done and should be closed I think
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Base on the talk in discord yeah its a thing, mystery is 4D in Nasuverse. Servant Physiology already have Immortality Type 9, so they will now get Higher-Dimensional Existence.
And the people who dont like mystery being a thing are people who like VS matches even though its already accepted in the global revision.
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The amount of copium about mystery and invulnerability's potency here rip
"It can be bypassed by 3d stuff when that 3d stuff has a 4d power pumped into it, so it can't be 4d in potency"
Truly peak debating kekw
"It can be bypassed by 3d stuff when that 3d stuff has a 4d power pumped into it, so it can't be 4d in potency"
Truly peak debating kekw
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