How much does it Amp?
Ummm.... Gear 2nd is much much faster than gear 3rd... Gear 3rd is just his base speed with more power and bigger arm
When does this Luffy bltiz someone equal to or greater than him? Saber's Precog is ridiculously overpowered, to the degree of being able to predict and dodge a causality warping attack AND an attack that borders on True Magic. Both of these are stated multiple times to be completely undodgeable.
Mana Burst increases all of her stats. Enough to completely shatter a weapon that could hold her off before. Saber will not tire until her master runs our of mana. I really don't want to talk about the massive tangled web that is Fate Skill. She fights WAY crazier enemies than Luffy. Kojiro mimics True Magic to attack three times in a single instant. Cu Chulainn's spear reverses Casaulity to strike before the spear moves.
G3 is not close to one shot territory. Jet Gatling is though.
AP wise, she shatters a weapon that previously blocked her attacks. Speed wise, I'm unsure. She frequently uses it for high speed movements though.
Apologies, wasn't clear there. I meant she can't overwhelm G3 AP wise, but should be more than capable of dodging G2 attacks speed wise.
G3 scales to 119.9 gigatons. So does Jet Gatling.
Gae Bolg's evasion was both her instinct and luck. Tsubame Gaeshi was actively nerfed when she took it on.
Actually only Jet Gatling scale to 119.9 Gigatons, while Gear 3rd should be 79.6 Gigatons instead.
Doesn't his justification say he's 119.9 with Jet Gatling OR Gear 3rd? That's what I remember the result of the CRT discussion being.
Only with Jet Gatling.
G3 scales to 59.7 Gigatons in Dressrosa key though. According to the One Piece page and Luffy's own page.
She still dodges two attacks that are flat out called undodgeable in canon.
Because Luck in fate is borderline causality manipulation. One attack requires reversing cause and effect and can only be negged with high Luck. The other is contextually nerfed when used on Artoria.
Future sight is Minds Eye. THat's a seperate ability altogether. Instinct is more or less Instinctive Reaction with a touch of precognition because of how Fate itself has it. Agree to disagree I guess. Kenbun is too layered even before FS for me to compare it to prediction.
There are multiple ways to get Precog in Fate, Clairvoyance also grants it. Instinct A is literally called precognition in materials and in Stay Night itself. Instinct also does more than just Precog.
Prediction based Precognition
Actually Saber's instinct is Rank A and at that Rank its stated to basically be future sight
If only Crim and the others weren't taking so goddamn long with the LB revision this wouldn't even matter lol reeeeeee
Equal speed
Completely blitzes in gear 2nd
Equal or inferior speed then
Completely blitzing her body movements where her precog won't matter
Normaly this week it would be done hut the speed crt will be later
One is basic analytical prediction based on fighting skill
Yeah I know that's why we haven't dropped the second part in that series were waiting on the LB revision first otherwise I would've dropped it a while back
Hmmmmm........I see, slightly confusing though
I'll be honest I don't get it either tbh. Zoro had analytical prediction before he started sensing the breath of things, yet he made a big deal out of sensing the 'will' of rocks and where they'll land.
One predict ones movement where it will go via calculating and fighting skill while the other is just you knowing where it will go in the future
Very confusing types of predictions/Precognition. Like what's the difference between Future Sensing and Future Sight.
If your talking about layers, base in Nasuvers Parameter list, her precog is 5 layers, and if you include the +in paramter its 9 layers. This is just for Instinct, if I include stuff from Mind's Eye(True) and Mind's Eye(False), it would likely reach at least 25 layers.
Pretty sure it would I mean the basis for Luffy's wincon is that he Blitzes and has Superior Precog so Saber can't do shit
It ain't easy man hahahaha
How was Tsubame Gaeshi nerfed the first time she dodged it??? I mean if you watch the Ufotable anime she straight up sees herself get cut down and fall to the ground so.....
What? The skill specifically states "At Rank A, it is essentially in the realm of predicting the future." Rank B only aproaches it, and Rank C is outright just good instincts.
Which Saber's Instinct cannot replicate against peer opponents. Diarmund? Her Instinct only kicked in when she physically couldn't dodge the attack, barely letting her evade a killing blow. Heracles? The man was just too much of a force of nature, and even with his sword techniques sealed by his Class, his Mind's Eye let him strike her still. Against Kuzuki? It didn't notify him of how dangerous the man was until she got choked out by him, and he casually adapted his fighting style to use her instincts against her. Against Gilgamesh, her Instinct were taking a vacation and not doing anything because there was no pact to victory, so she had no idea which of his weapons to parry, dodge or deflect. Even against EMIYA's sword barrage she had to go in fully serious or else she would have died.
It increases her speed generally.
It's specifically stated the grounding could not allow him to fully use it, only manifesting two blades rather than three. Had he used all three, Saber would have died.
Grounding. And I recall Kojiro's blade being bent or messed up, which left an opening to be exploited. Artoria had to damage his blade so the technique isn't as perfect as it usually should be.
That was the second time, I was talking first time
I see, good to see some truths and explanations
Future Sensing is just sensing events that'll happen in the future but not actually knowing exactly what happens. Spider Sense. Deku's Danger Sense. Just sensing danger.
Am not sure of Saber's arguments, but... I think it consists of her skill, her instincts that are nearly precog, her decent ability to amp herself, and the fact that she has a Low 6-B Attack that can one-shot Luffy. She also has some decent regen, but idk if it would be too helpful.
Yes, if Luffy see someone with weapons, first tactic is disarm if he is able, break it (not possible) or focus on dodging and counterattacking (exception being Katakuri who completely negates this 3 tactics)
If we are letting Saber use a low 6-B attack, luffy can use this too
Correct me, but their invulnerablity is against weapons that are not ancient/antique
