RWBY Vol 9 General Discussion Thread: Multiverse Of Therapy

[Cire]

Still think the feats from the JL movie are fair game since Kerry directed it and it’s made in-engine.

 

[Deagonx]

Still think the feats from the JL movie are fair game since Kerry directed it and it’s made in-engine.

He said it was canon adjacent, which means the canon versions don't scale to movie feats

 

[Spinoirr]

To be fair, he described it as "pretty canon" and "characters are going to act as they should". This on its own implies that it is an AU of a sort.

So we can treat it like marvels what if show, due to the nature of Au's the characters should have the same powers and Abilities and strength as cannon

 

[Deagonx]

So we can treat it like marvels what if show, due to the nature of Au's the characters should have the same powers and Abilities and strength as cannon

No, the discussion on the matter has settled now, they will not scale to comic or movie feats.

 

[Cire]

He said it was canon adjacent, which means the canon versions don't scale to movie feats

It more so means that like the events of the movie may not be as referenced in the show itself. The same sort of deal happened in Ice Queendom. They stated that the events of the anime, while not explicitly happening in the world of RWBY, absolutely have the potential to happen.

 

[MrKerf]

So we can treat it like marvels what if show, due to the nature of Au's the characters should have the same powers and Abilities and strength as cannon

No, because MCU has a concept of Multiverse, and all What If's events are happening in MCU. RWBY doesn't have a multiverse and even if it did, it' would still need additional statements.

 

[Spinoirr]

No, the discussion on the matter has settled now, they will not scale to comic or movie feats.

Why you keep saying that, can't we continue the topic and make a rule about what canon-adjacent means for the wiki and we already had this talk about AU's scaling to the main series of series like the soul stone form the muc has a power from a spin off show about AU's

 

[Cire]

BoringGeoff - Post - Rooster Teeth

Hey FNDM! Well that was a helluva weekend, huh?? We hope you’re as excited for RWBY: Ice Queendom as we are. This moment has been a long time coming. Believe it or not, this new show has been in the works for almost a decade. The story goes that, about 8 years ago, Monty was at a convention...

roosterteeth.com

First, the world of RWBY: Ice Queendom is NOT an alternate universe or a reboot. While the story is set in the same universe as the main show, we’re calling it “canon adjacent”. The new show is incredibly faithful to the original, while also taking some fun new liberties to switch things up a bit. The first two episodes of RWBY: IQ will recap V1 - V2 before kicking things off into a bold new adventure, full of new characters, new settings, new surprises, and (of course) new Grimm. Not only that, but you’ll also see a ton of familiar faces, too. While changes made to the existing RWBY content are not technically considered canon, it's a story that absolutely could exist alongside other RWBY content -- we just wanted the Japan team to be able to have as much fun with it as they wanted. Now as to what the story of the show is all about….well you’ll just have to wait and see!

 

[Spinoirr]

No, because MCU has a concept of Multiverse, and all What If's events are happening in MCU. RWBY doesn't have a multiverse and even if it did, it' would still need additional statements.

But it does, in the DC comic they have the DC characters from the rwby universe go into the Multiverse

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No, because MCU has a concept of Multiverse, and all What If's events are happening in MCU. RWBY doesn't have a multiverse and even if it did, it' would still need additional statements.

RWBY does have a multiverse actually

 

[Deagonx]

Why you keep saying that, can't we continue the topic

Because once a staff consensus is reached you have to wait at least 3-4 months to try and change it.

make a rule about what canon-adjacent means for the wiki

That would require a staff discussion thread, but every staff I've spoken to has said canon-adjacent is not canon. Including 3 admins, so

 

[Cire]

Feels like that should have been more of a community decision.

 

[MrKerf]

But it does, in the DC comic they have the DC characters from the rwby universe go into the Multiverse

No... Please... Not another crossover RWBY comic discussion. I barely survived the last one...
But yeah, RWBY universe doesn't... "scale" to DC Multiverse.

 

[Deagonx]

Feels like that should have been more of a community decision.

Staff decide the wiki standards

 

[MrKerf]

RWBY does have a multiverse actually

...go on. How so?

Because once a staff consensus is reached you have to wait at least 3-4 months to try and change it.

Really? Since when?

First, the world of RWBY: Ice Queendom is NOT an alternate universe or a reboot. While the story is set in the same universe as the main show, we’re calling it “canon adjacent”. The new show is incredibly faithful to the original, while also taking some fun new liberties to switch things up a bit. The first two episodes of RWBY: IQ will recap V1 - V2 before kicking things off into a bold new adventure, full of new characters, new settings, new surprises, and (of course) new Grimm. Not only that, but you’ll also see a ton of familiar faces, too. While changes made to the existing RWBY content are not technically considered canon, it's a story that absolutely could exist alongside other RWBY content -- we just wanted the Japan team to be able to have as much fun with it as they wanted. Now as to what the story of the show is all about….well you’ll just have to wait and see!

That's actually a great isight onto what RWBY crew mean by canon-adjacent. "not technically considered canon, it's a story that absolutely could exist alongside other RWBY content". Basically a glorified non-canon.

 

[Cire]

https://www.cbr.com/justice-league-rwby-kerry-shawcross-interview/

From Kerry:

It had been fairly straightforward. I can't say exactly where it is. Otherwise, it might give some spoilers away, but we had a few places that we talked to Meghan about where we thought it could fit pretty well. We're referring to this movie as "canon-adjacent," which we do for a few of our properties. Everything about it is pretty canon. The characters are going to act as they should. It just means we're probably not going to reference their run-in with Wonder Woman later in the series.

It's meant to be our characters at certain instances. That's why we call it "canon-adjacent." After you watch it, I think you'll know where this fits in, and some things make more sense, like why is Yang in her classic outfit with her robotic arm? With that, I think a lot of people thought we were being lazy or made a mistake, but as you watch it, you'll find out that was very intentional and a part of where it's at.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Because once a staff consensus is reached you have to wait at least 3-4 months to try and change it.



That would require a staff discussion thread, but every staff I've spoken to has said canon-adjacent is not canon. Including 3 admins, so

A rule should definitely be made

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Staff decide the wiki standards

Then it should be easy to get a rule made so this issue doesnt come up again. Otherwise it's just arbitrary and means nothing

 

[WeeklyBattles]

...go on. How so?

Really? Since when?

That's actually a great isight onto what RWBY crew mean by canon-adjacent. "not technically considered canon, it's a story that absolutely could exist alongside other RWBY content". Basically a glorified non-canon.

The end of the JL comic shows the justice league leaving remnant to travel the multiverse, with Jessica cruz confirming theres an infinite number of rwby universes

 

[Deagonx]

Really? Since when?

Discussion Rules page.

Then it should be easy to get a rule made so this issue doesnt come up again. Otherwise it's just arbitrary and means nothing

How many verses even have such a phrase that we'd need a special rule to address it?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

That's actually a great isight onto what RWBY crew mean by canon-adjacent. "not technically considered canon, it's a story that absolutely could exist alongside other RWBY content". Basically a glorified non-canon.

Love how you somehow got that out of 'this is not an alternate universe' and 'this story exists in the main storyline'

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Discussion Rules page.

How many verses even have such a phrase that we'd need a special rule to address it?

Most of them on the wiki, I know Bleach currently has scaling from a bunch of movies that arent brought up in the show, same with MHA and star wars

 

[Cire]

I mean looking at what Kerry said about the story, seems pretty legit to use it for feats. They are just not gonna refrence the events in the main narrative.

 

[Deagonx]

Most of them on the wiki, I know Bleach currently has scaling from a bunch of movies that arent brought up in the show, same with MHA and star wars

But you already admitted those verses don't have statements that refer to them as "canon adjacent"

 

[Deagonx]

I mean looking at what Kerry said about the story, seems pretty legit to use it for feats. They are just not gonna refrence the events in the main narrative.

We've decided against that idea

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Hell, Sonic the Hedgehog as a verse is a mess atm with the IDE comics being considered canon for some reason despite featuring dozens of characters never ones seen or even mentioned in the games

 

[Cire]

We've decided against that idea

Still think we should do calcs on it.

 

[MrKerf]

Love how you somehow got that out of 'this is not an alternate universe' and 'this story exists in the main storyline'

I mean, we know that it isn't AU from their point of view. Their logic says that it is half-canon. This is main storyline, but not technically canon. Not an AU but has a few differences. They say one thing, then immediatly contradict it, what can I do?

 

[Cire]

I mean, we know that it isn't AU from their point of view. Their logic says that it is half-canon. This is main storyline, but not technically canon. Not an AU but has a few differences. They say one thing, then immediatly contradict it, what can I do?

I think I’d take Kerry’s definition of canon adjacent over the first definition tbh. Since his is the most recent and he’s intimately involved in the lore and writing of RWBY. He’s the main show runner and he directed and produced this movie.

 

[MrKerf]

The end of the JL comic shows the justice league leaving remnant to travel the multiverse, with Jessica cruz confirming theres an infinite number of rwby universes

Regarding this comic... Is it canon still, or is it retconned away by now considered non-canon movie? I am confused.
But if it is legit, then I will agree.
Actually, I'll check it out.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I mean, we know that it isn't AU from their point of view. Their logic says that it is half-canon. This is main storyline, but not technically canon. Not an AU but has a few differences. They say one thing, then immediatly contradict it, what can I do?

Yes, we already have a thing for that, it's called One-Sided Canon. It's the same vein as Dante being canon in Shin Megami Tensei

 

[Maitreya12]

BoringGeoff - Post - Rooster Teeth

Hey FNDM! Well that was a helluva weekend, huh?? We hope you’re as excited for RWBY: Ice Queendom as we are. This moment has been a long time coming. Believe it or not, this new show has been in the works for almost a decade. The story goes that, about 8 years ago, Monty was at a convention...

roosterteeth.com

First, the world of RWBY: Ice Queendom is NOT an alternate universe or a reboot. While the story is set in the same universe as the main show, we’re calling it “canon adjacent”. The new show is incredibly faithful to the original, while also taking some fun new liberties to switch things up a bit. The first two episodes of RWBY: IQ will recap V1 - V2 before kicking things off into a bold new adventure, full of new characters, new settings, new surprises, and (of course) new Grimm. Not only that, but you’ll also see a ton of familiar faces, too. While changes made to the existing RWBY content are not technically considered canon, it's a story that absolutely could exist alongside other RWBY content -- we just wanted the Japan team to be able to have as much fun with it as they wanted. Now as to what the story of the show is all about….well you’ll just have to wait and see!

Actually….I find this statement to be not so helpful to the argument.

Because him saying it’s not an alternate universe takes away any RWBY multiverse argument and the fact that he essentially says “well some parts are canon, other parts technically not canon, this is just something that could possibly happen” means that we really can’t use this for any canon RWBY scaling.

While an argument can be made in terms of using the material for scaling as it’s still “technically possible” the events could happen, in terms of labeling out canonocity, I find it to be pretty bad in all honesty.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Regarding this comic... Is it canon still, or is it retconned away by now considered non-canon movie? I am confused.
But if it is legit, then I will agree.
Actually, I'll check it out.

The comic and the movie are canonically in the same universe, they're canon to each other and take place at different points in the same timeline. The movie is a continuation of the comic storyline

 

[MrKerf]

I think I’d take Kerry’s definition of canon adjacent over the first definition tbh. Since his is the most recent and he’s intimately involved in the lore and writing of RWBY. He’s the main show runner and he directed and produced this movie.

Regardless of chosen definition, you can't escape holes in their logic.

We're referring to this movie as "canon-adjacent," which we do for a few of our properties. Everything about it is pretty canon. The characters are going to act as they should.

He even references how he uses it for other properties, so by proxy he means previous message about Ice Queendom. Even ignoring it, it still mentions "pretty canon" and "act as they should" which is redundant and meaningless if it is actually canon.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

But you already admitted those verses don't have statements that refer to them as "canon adjacent"

So let me get this straight, you dont care if a verse is using stuff that is stated to be non-canon or never confirmed to be canon in the first place, you're just hyper fixating on the term canon adjacent for no reason?

 

[MrKerf]

Yes, we already have a thing for that, it's called One-Sided Canon. It's the same vein as Dante being canon in Shin Megami Tensei

This statement is for IQ, and One-Sided Canon is used for crossovers. You can't have One-Sided Canon when there's only one verse. I mean, you can... but that means it is canon only to IQ and not RWBY.

 

[Deagonx]

So let me get this straight, you dont care if a verse is using stuff that is stated to be non-canon or never confirmed to be canon in the first place, you're just hyper fixating on the term canon adjacent for no reason?

No? You're just conflating two different subjects without clearly distinguishing when you're talking about one or the other. You keep switching back and forth. You talked about making a site rule about the term "Canon Adjacent" and the brought up verses that don't use that phrase.

 

[Cire]

Actually….I find this statement to be not so helpful to the argument.

Because him saying it’s not an alternate universe takes away any RWBY multiverse argument and the fact that he essentially says “well some parts are canon, other parts technically not canon, this is just something that could possibly happen” means that we really can’t use this for any canon RWBY scaling.

While an argument can be made in terms of using the material for scaling as it’s still “technically possible” the events could happen, in terms of labeling out canonocity, I find it to be pretty bad in all honesty.

I think the recent definition by Kerry is better tbh. Less ambiguous.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No? You're just conflating two different subjects without clearly distinguishing when you're talking about one or the other. You keep switching back and forth. You talked about making a site rule about the term "Canon Adjacent" and the brought up verses that don't use that phrase.

I am saying, if you case so much about verses using stuff that you perceive as not canon, you should apply the same logic to them as well, regardless of whether they're non-canon, canon-adjacent, or not even confirmed to be canon to begin with

 

[Cire]

Can someone post that feat of Ruby dodging those eye beams? We also need to see if Supes eye beams meet the standard definition of a laser.