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Sounds good.
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There is only an overlap between Vapourrrrr and MysticCarnage, not with Cloudyagami/Steezstifler.
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Cloud and Vapourrrrr do not have the same IP address. This was clarified above. Mystic and Vapourrrrr had the same IP address, whom Vapourrrrr already confessed to being.
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Nvm then, the proposal for what was decided of permabans and an offer to appeal one of them after a year is good.
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He also went as far as making multiple discord accounts for each of his personas, and even asked Dread for MysticCarnage's discord, so he's willingly to go to considerable length to obfuscate his shared identities. I think she should take this into consideration.
Literally asked Dread to reach out to himself, ask for his own alternate discord, to throw us off the trail. Worth nothing that all 4 accounts have different discord accounts linked to their fandom. So he's also creating new discords for this purpose. Apparently the Vapour discord is from 2021 so either he has a bunch of accounts in reserve or he's getting new ones somehow.
Literally asked Dread to reach out to himself, ask for his own alternate discord, to throw us off the trail. Worth nothing that all 4 accounts have different discord accounts linked to their fandom. So he's also creating new discords for this purpose. Apparently the Vapour discord is from 2021 so either he has a bunch of accounts in reserve or he's getting new ones somehow.
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Yeah, that sounds suspicious.
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I'm very prone to wanting every detail of a situation cleared up. There's a few hanging threads here that still strike me - like the inconsistency with the IP addresses and the question of why Vapourrrrr would have tried to get their own alt unbanned while already on the wiki. I appreciate your efforts in investigating the matter.He also went as far as making multiple discord accounts for each of his personas, and even asked Dread for MysticCarnage's discord, so he's willingly to go to considerable length to obfuscate his shared identities. I think she should take this into consideration.
Literally asked Dread to reach out to himself, ask for his own alternate discord, to throw us off the trail. Worth nothing that all 4 accounts have different discord accounts linked to their fandom. So he's also creating new discords for this purpose. Apparently the Vapour discord is from 2021 so either he has a bunch of accounts in reserve or he's getting new ones somehow.
However, in the interest of keeping the thread for its intended purpose, I believe it would be best to leave the discussion of it for now. It wouldn't change our punishment of Vapourrrrr either way. It could be discussed elsewhere if necessary, but I believe everything has been solved for now.
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I can vouch, yes.
I asked him straightforward since I was suspected due the similarity they both have
Also, I also warned him days before that creating alt account will result in perm-ban.
Although hours before, he DMed me this:
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Fair enough, though on this point:
Cloud also had another alt named "akasakelucilfer" that posted on Vapours wall to ask him to vote on a match up between a TR character and someone else. I thought it was kind of funny, Vapourrrrr commented saying he was voting against the TR character (Mikey) but could change his mind if the speed gap was disproven, then Cloud posts some canned response and then Vapourrrr says "okay I agree with Mikey."
Can't prove it, but the whole thing looked to me like an interaction between alts, like Vapour was putting up brief faux resistance to make the bit more convincing or something. Anyways, you're right, it's moot now as he's perma banned either way. Hopefully he won't make any more alts or if he does we will likely catch him again. The "akasakelucilfer" account was made September 2021, but didn't make a single post until April 30 after Cloud's permanent ban, so he might have more accounts on the wiki.
He did also appeal on MysticCarnage's behalf as well here as soon has his Vapourrrrr account got unbanned, so it's not out of the questions for him to advocate for Cloud's unbanning as well.
Cloud also had another alt named "akasakelucilfer" that posted on Vapours wall to ask him to vote on a match up between a TR character and someone else. I thought it was kind of funny, Vapourrrrr commented saying he was voting against the TR character (Mikey) but could change his mind if the speed gap was disproven, then Cloud posts some canned response and then Vapourrrr says "okay I agree with Mikey."
Can't prove it, but the whole thing looked to me like an interaction between alts, like Vapour was putting up brief faux resistance to make the bit more convincing or something. Anyways, you're right, it's moot now as he's perma banned either way. Hopefully he won't make any more alts or if he does we will likely catch him again. The "akasakelucilfer" account was made September 2021, but didn't make a single post until April 30 after Cloud's permanent ban, so he might have more accounts on the wiki.
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Sorry to bring this back up, but I just had an itch about this. Given that the Akasakelucilfer account was like 2 years old but didn't start getting used until Cloud's ban, and given this weird habit of this guy roleplaying with himself and such, I decided to look a little deeper for accounts that meet the following criteria, which the known accounts seemed to follow:
A) Remained inactive for a long period of time before commenting
B) Created or became active around the time of one of the bans
C) Had a linked discord account on Fandom (all 5 known accounts had unique and linked discords)
D) Were commenting on each others walls about TR stuff
E) Had a relatively low amount of comments.
F) Primarily interested in the same verses (TR and Lookism, among others)
So, I found some other accounts that strike me as suspicious, as my meter for "benefit of the doubt" has rapidly decreased during this venture. If these accounts are genuinely owned by different people and I am making a false accusation, I apologize, but I think it should be looked into.
MorrisHatesYou
User made his account in Sep 2022, but didn't start posting until Apr 2023, when Cloud got banned. Has Fandom wall interactions with Vapourr and Akasakelucilfer, has a linked discord, and even posted on Vapour's behalf here which Vapourrrrr did for Mystic, his alt, so this is a known habit. He also advocated for Vapour to get unbanned here
Viott
Made his account in May 2023, has a linked discord, exchanged wall posts with both Vapour and akasakelucilfer, made calcs for TR and Lookism and advocated on behalf of one of Vapour's calcs.
Dinozxd
Joined July 27th, immediately began making TR calcs, linked discord, wall posts on Vapourrr and MorrisHatesYou's wall.
Shiroyashaaa
Joined Nov 21, same day as Cloud's ban, has wall posts from Cloud asking for votes on a versus match, posted fandom wall on some of the above users accounts. Has a linked discord, primarily only argues for TR and makes TR calcs (and CotE, which some of the other accounts have posted about as well), has random bouts of inactivity that appear to coincide with Cloudyagami's various bans.
Now, it's entirely possible that one or more of these accounts are not Cloud, or Vapour if that's actually a different person, but if we can look into that I think it'd be helpful. I find it suspicious.
A) Remained inactive for a long period of time before commenting
B) Created or became active around the time of one of the bans
C) Had a linked discord account on Fandom (all 5 known accounts had unique and linked discords)
D) Were commenting on each others walls about TR stuff
E) Had a relatively low amount of comments.
F) Primarily interested in the same verses (TR and Lookism, among others)
So, I found some other accounts that strike me as suspicious, as my meter for "benefit of the doubt" has rapidly decreased during this venture. If these accounts are genuinely owned by different people and I am making a false accusation, I apologize, but I think it should be looked into.
MorrisHatesYou
User made his account in Sep 2022, but didn't start posting until Apr 2023, when Cloud got banned. Has Fandom wall interactions with Vapourr and Akasakelucilfer, has a linked discord, and even posted on Vapour's behalf here which Vapourrrrr did for Mystic, his alt, so this is a known habit. He also advocated for Vapour to get unbanned here
Viott
Made his account in May 2023, has a linked discord, exchanged wall posts with both Vapour and akasakelucilfer, made calcs for TR and Lookism and advocated on behalf of one of Vapour's calcs.
Dinozxd
Joined July 27th, immediately began making TR calcs, linked discord, wall posts on Vapourrr and MorrisHatesYou's wall.
Shiroyashaaa
Joined Nov 21, same day as Cloud's ban, has wall posts from Cloud asking for votes on a versus match, posted fandom wall on some of the above users accounts. Has a linked discord, primarily only argues for TR and makes TR calcs (and CotE, which some of the other accounts have posted about as well), has random bouts of inactivity that appear to coincide with Cloudyagami's various bans.
Now, it's entirely possible that one or more of these accounts are not Cloud, or Vapour if that's actually a different person, but if we can look into that I think it'd be helpful. I find it suspicious.
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The obvious first thing to do is to ask whether any of those users share IP addresses with each other or anyone else noted so far.
@Antvasima , could you take a look?
@Antvasima , could you take a look?
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Frankly, not even going to entertain this. We are not gullible enough to think someone who posts their debate opponent's IRL face on a forum in an argument is acting in good faith.
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This individual took a personal pic of Deagon and used it in an attempt to openly mock him because he disagreed with em. Not dissimilar to certain users taking the pfp of a staff member and using them because that's funny apparently, but this absolutely takes it a step further.First, another banned member wants to make an appeal for leniency:
Antvasima
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What do you think?
Deagon shared his pics on a private server. They did not had permission to use em in any capacity, yet still essentially shared it with everyone on the wiki.
I absolutely disagree with unbanning em.
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Ahh, the guy that made his profile picture a picture of my real life face? I am going to vote no:First, another banned member wants to make an appeal for leniency:
Antvasima
What do you think?
- What I did was not doxing. DeagonX posted his photos on a server that VSB members had created and were on, and while I was talking to my friends on other forums, they sent them to me. And I made it my profile picture on the forum. And making someone who openly and without discomfort shares photos of themselves on social media my profile picture is nothing to doxing. I didn't find these things by sneaking around.
Regardless of whether you would considering it doxing, it was so obviously not okay and quite disturbing. Especially since he appears to have done it was a retaliatory sentiment to my disagreement in a thread he supported.
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As an aside, the account RoggerReggor is also most likely an alt. His account was created the same day as CloudYagami's third ban, was exclusively focused on TokyoRevengers content, and got banned for similar behavior. His ban should likely be changed to permanent, instead of letting it lift later this month. Although his ip and such should be checked first. Though it appears he admits to being an alt of some kind. As his post on Ant's wall began:
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No, they do not register as being the same people.
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Okay. Never mind then. I will ban them in our wiki as well.
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I understand, but the fact that he made his account literally the same day that Cloud was banned (Apr 22, 2023), and then proceeded to troll about the exact same verse and admits to using the wiki on a different account and different advice strongly suggests to me it's the same person. At some point the coincidences become too extreme. But that is just my opinion on it, I won't force it if others disagree.
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I don't blame you. All we've done is run an IP check - that can confirm whether two people are the same, but it can't disprove it. This warrants further discussion, though preferably one focused and specific to each individual user.
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I really doubt Viott is Vapourrrr, I talked with him on discord and to me they are completely different people, Viott doesn't have the same behavior Vapourrrr has when you disagree with him, he is very chill and he doesn't argues for hours with CGMs, even the english/words they uses are different for example Viott is the only one that say "achievement" instead of "feat" and Vapourrr never used that word, Viott also helped me with a calc for The Boxer, Vapourrrr would have never done it considering our relationship on the wiki, Viott also said to me on discord that he doesn't think Mikey is supersonic+ when both Vapourrrr and Mysticarnage have the same thoughts about TR, Viott also doesn't seem to have a forum account/he doesn't use it much since he wasn't aware about the staff only TR thread and Vapourrrr was.
So in my opinion either Viott isn't Vapourrrr or Vapourrrr is very good at acting, hope this helps, i can't say much about the others.
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To bump the message, so people don't miss it.
Ant have said that they don't overlap IP addresses. So the discussion is done and can be moved on. Pattern coincidences are never equivalent to evidence and Deagonx acknowledged this. Relying solely on pattern coincidence to draw conclusions can lead to incorrect assumptions and fallacies.
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I'll reiterate that IP checks can prove if two users are the same person, but they can't disprove it. The same person can use multiple IP addresses, and doing so is a common method of circumventing IP bans. I requested an IP check only as a first step - we still need to discuss this further.
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Not quite, Dread. A lack of IP overlap doesn't disprove people being the same. There is still the fact that a) RoggerReggor openly admitted to being an alt, b) Said he is using a new device for the new account, c) Started his account the same day Cloud was banned, and d) Proceeded to behave precisely the same way that Cloud did, being aggressive and stubborn on TokyoRevengers threads, so much so that he got banned for it.
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Please pardon my disengagement from the ongoing discussion, but I must point out that depending solely on pattern coincidences does not constitute genuine proof. On the other hand, empirical evidence such as IP overlap can suggest whether the user is employing a VPN or utilizing the same IPs to bypass the verification system.
Sure, we can create a good argument with these pattern coincidences, but we never can “prove” it in a traditional sense to the point of equating it as an actual evidence. Also, we can't simply rely on a method of disproving a positive claim. This is the burden of who made the claim to showcase an unquestionable evidence, and not some pattern coincidence that has possibility of leading to fallacies of conclusion. Also at no point, we are required to disprove an assumption.
As per my understanding and interpretation, he has not acknowledged being the same person as Vappour. Therefore, the initial two points remain unclear, while the other two points seem to be mere happenstances. It's my take on the topic.
Also, I would like to share this screenshot.
In conclusion, I am highlighting the importance of relying on empirical evidence rather than merely pattern coincidences.
Edit: When I say “evidence”, I prefer to reliable empirical evidence/proof.
Sure, we can create a good argument with these pattern coincidences, but we never can “prove” it in a traditional sense to the point of equating it as an actual evidence. Also, we can't simply rely on a method of disproving a positive claim. This is the burden of who made the claim to showcase an unquestionable evidence, and not some pattern coincidence that has possibility of leading to fallacies of conclusion. Also at no point, we are required to disprove an assumption.
As per my understanding and interpretation, he has not acknowledged being the same person as Vappour. Therefore, the initial two points remain unclear, while the other two points seem to be mere happenstances. It's my take on the topic.
Also, I would like to share this screenshot.
In conclusion, I am highlighting the importance of relying on empirical evidence rather than merely pattern coincidences.
Edit: When I say “evidence”, I prefer to reliable empirical evidence/proof.
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Dread I respect that you disagree but it isn't really suitable for you to argue here.
To be clear though, we know he is an alt, we know he's using a new device. The only question remains who's alt is he? I believe the creation day being the same as Clouds ban and his consequent imitation of his behavior answers that question.
To be clear though, we know he is an alt, we know he's using a new device. The only question remains who's alt is he? I believe the creation day being the same as Clouds ban and his consequent imitation of his behavior answers that question.
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Agreed. This discussion should be continued privately imo.
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However, RoggerReggor, in the debate about TR, is not on one side or in agreement with Vapour. Mostly, he focuses on Classroom of the Elite and has spoken against Vapour several times. In my opinion, he doesn't exhibit behavior similar to Cloudy, who tries to upgrade TR's abilities. But he is another person who attempts to downgrade TR.
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I've seen more than a few cases where he argued for upgrades, but regardless, this will be continued in private so as to not clutter this thread perpetually.
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I believe that from past examples on the wiki, we don't solely rely on IP checks to ban people for sockpuppeting.
In fact, before the forum we couldn't really do that, so all our bans for sockpuppeting had to be based on similar behaviour like this.
And to me, a lot of the coincidences demonstrated here seem fairly strong.
In fact, before the forum we couldn't really do that, so all our bans for sockpuppeting had to be based on similar behaviour like this.
And to me, a lot of the coincidences demonstrated here seem fairly strong.
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This issue has still yet to be resolved.
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Yeah, I agree with the others; uploading their opponent's IRL face without permission and with the intention of mockery is an absolute no go around her. I'd say keep them banned.First, another banned member wants to make an appeal for leniency:
Antvasima
What do you think?
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Weekly is acting like a bit of an ass in this thread for some reason, insulting Glass for no real reason here, here, and here, as well as refusing to back down.
Normally this isn't super notable but I figured I'd bring it up since Weekly has been on thin ice for a while now iirc. Maybe a warning to cool it for a bit would suffice, although last I checked he's still not backing down on this for some reason.
Normally this isn't super notable but I figured I'd bring it up since Weekly has been on thin ice for a while now iirc. Maybe a warning to cool it for a bit would suffice, although last I checked he's still not backing down on this for some reason.
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Tell Glass to back off, not me. He's been targeting me for years and im tired of it.
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Pretty clear shitflinging, so I'd support a warning.
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1. Glass did not do anything worth reporting.
2. I'm not gonna debate you in here. Make a separate report for Glass if you can find posts where he acted inappropriately.
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Weekly, no one is targeting you in this instance. You like certain verses. Glass likes certain verses. Those interests sometimes overlap. You hate each-other. That is all there is to it. That does not mean you get to lose your shit over it.
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Actually do not. I've repeated it multiple times: staff reports are not for the RVR.
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