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I was talking about why it could be a reason for misunderstandings, people can interpret things someone says very differently to what they meant/tried to say
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Saw a part of his comments quickly and don't know how that could be a misunderstanding do his mother language not be english, seriously.
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Well I kinda can, but I won't derail this thread about it
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Even if we’re still deciding on whether further punishment is needed, we should apply a thread ban ASAP as it has been agreed as a minimum and Hajime is still replying
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I'll write it in my own language, it's up to you to translate it or not. ne bok yapıyorsan yap kardeşim siktiğimin wikisinde pokemon bilmeyen insanlar pokemon katmanlamasını berirliyor bu saçmalık boktan wikiniz bu saatden sonra umrumda bile değil
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Translation: He wants to be banned
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Okay, that hostile comment is bad enough for a temporary ban from the forum + Wiki
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I extended the ban from a three week thread-ban to a month long site-ban, given the general theme of not accepting warnings and being a rather toxic influence. Ban duration is up for discussion, of course.
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I was going to ban him for 2 or 3 months, but I'm fine with just 1 month unless others also think it should be more than that.
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I think a month ban is solid enough. If they don't shape up in that time, we can always ban them for a longer period of time.
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I think it should be 3 months since iirc some people did it and got at least 3-6 months of ban.
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I guess a longer ban may be permitted, which I'm not against if that's the case
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This guy vandalized this page here. I reverted the edits. I reverted the edits.
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I would like to report this user. He simply changed stats of a character without any previous CRT, I gave him a warning, but he had already been blocked 2 times by Ant for the same reason, but now that I see his contributions just look at what he said to Ant. Well, time to decide what to do with him.
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I blocked them.
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Well, he did not perform any vandalism this time, and he did remove his hostile comment to me, which wasn't particularly bad to start with.
However, a bigger problem is that he doesn't learn from instructions or even previous blocks.
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It is not as if he previously vandalized, he simply changed the statistics (in a non-vandalistic way) without any CRT. And you have already warned him previously and even blocked him and he did it again.
Telling someone "Fck u, you're incompetent" is not bad? Okay.
Well, we'll just have to see what he will do next. I have already given him his warning, it is up to him to take it or ignore it as he has already done with yours.
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Well, he didn't seem to listen to you either, so I suppose that we will likely have to ban him again. Would 3 months like the last time be enough given that he didn't do anything particularly severe this time?
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Currently he has only answered me that but has not changed anything after my warning, so not to be too harsh, I would prefer to wait to see if he ignores the warnings again and if he does then apply the ban. Is that ok with you?
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I also reverted another of their edits. Was about to give him instructions, but that 1-A kratos make me think about that is not a user who does not know how things are done here, but more of a vandal.
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Blocked the vandal
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Correction, there's another GOW revision going on at the moment.
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If anyone needs it temporarily unlocked to apply something, they can message me or any other content mod/admin.
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'Kay.
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I wasn't online when Darth's thing happened. But looking at the ensuing controversy surrounding it, I think I should make this post. Please note that this is not meant to bring the discussion back from the dead and I apologize for commenting when the matter has already been dealt with. I simply feel like giving my two cents for dealing with similar cases in the future.
Awareness about gender issues are relatively very new in comparison to religion, politics, racism, etc. and the world is going through a change, at different paces in different regions. Not every region will adopt the change at the same pace, so these cases are bound to happen. I agree that the original post was transphobic and it was against the rules, and I agree that he should be punished for the same as his defense was not very good. I also agree that it might have been a result of cultural differences. There are large parts of people in many countries who don't know much about these issues and what's appropriate to say and what's offensive.
I think education should be prioritized too. We should educate people and give them a fair chance to come around. Obviously a ban is warranted for breaking the rules. But if it's the first offense which is not very severe or there is uncertainty about cultural differences, our immediate reaction should not be to permanently remove them from the community. Instead, they should be told what they did wrong, and the ban length should be long enough to serve as a punishment but also short enough to give them an opportunity to learn and return as a changed user. I don't know if Darth will still be around after 1 year as it is a long time, but if the ban had been shorter, say 3-6 months, maybe he would have gained some insight and come around as a reasonable user who followed our rules. We could have resorted to stricter measures later if he still didn't change.
Awareness about gender issues are relatively very new in comparison to religion, politics, racism, etc. and the world is going through a change, at different paces in different regions. Not every region will adopt the change at the same pace, so these cases are bound to happen. I agree that the original post was transphobic and it was against the rules, and I agree that he should be punished for the same as his defense was not very good. I also agree that it might have been a result of cultural differences. There are large parts of people in many countries who don't know much about these issues and what's appropriate to say and what's offensive.
I think education should be prioritized too. We should educate people and give them a fair chance to come around. Obviously a ban is warranted for breaking the rules. But if it's the first offense which is not very severe or there is uncertainty about cultural differences, our immediate reaction should not be to permanently remove them from the community. Instead, they should be told what they did wrong, and the ban length should be long enough to serve as a punishment but also short enough to give them an opportunity to learn and return as a changed user. I don't know if Darth will still be around after 1 year as it is a long time, but if the ban had been shorter, say 3-6 months, maybe he would have gained some insight and come around as a reasonable user who followed our rules. We could have resorted to stricter measures later if he still didn't change.
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Yes, we cannot assume that the entire world suddenly instantly switches to embracing identical cultural standards, and I still do not think that making an offensive and intolerant joke in itself qualifies as actual hate-speech (of the "I hate everybody in a certain group and want them dead and/or burning in hell" variety) or warrants nearly as draconian punishments as we quickly handed out here.
I don't want us to create a climate of fear and heavy-handed onesided political oppression. That is very shortsighted, as it will only create massive grudges, division, and eventually violent backlash between different groupings in society in the long run. It is much better to try to let people politely talk out their differences so they learn to get along and become genuinely tolerant of each other, as well as finding out that the other ideological sides aren't filled with inhuman dehumanised monsters.
It takes time to harmonise different parts of the world in this manner, but it is the only workable option that we have available, and this community needs to keep its friendly and collaborative cohesion for everybody here from all over the world in the long run.
In democracies, people should have the right to express themselves even in offensive and somewhat bigoted manners without us quickly resorting to the strictest punishments that we have available. Enduring that many humans are initially offensive and callous jerks is one of the prices of freedom and liberty, and it by enormously far beats the alternative of increasingly Orwellian and totalitarian police and mass-survellance states.
I don't want us to create a climate of fear and heavy-handed onesided political oppression. That is very shortsighted, as it will only create massive grudges, division, and eventually violent backlash between different groupings in society in the long run. It is much better to try to let people politely talk out their differences so they learn to get along and become genuinely tolerant of each other, as well as finding out that the other ideological sides aren't filled with inhuman dehumanised monsters.
It takes time to harmonise different parts of the world in this manner, but it is the only workable option that we have available, and this community needs to keep its friendly and collaborative cohesion for everybody here from all over the world in the long run.
In democracies, people should have the right to express themselves even in offensive and somewhat bigoted manners without us quickly resorting to the strictest punishments that we have available. Enduring that many humans are initially offensive and callous jerks is one of the prices of freedom and liberty, and it by enormously far beats the alternative of increasingly Orwellian and totalitarian police and mass-survellance states.
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Absolutely, such behavior is not acceptable in any way.
Also, those who liked the message should get some scrutiny as well.
Also, those who liked the message should get some scrutiny as well.
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That 100% warrants a ban, homie came in on his LowTierGod grindset and said these people need to die.
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Yeah indefinite ban, they apparently posted two incendiary comments before they were deleted
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