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Warnings are all that would be in order, but pretty much what Agnaa said.
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I did admit that I was in the wrong in the report and I’ll try my best to try to be chill in the futureBoth of you were continually escalating things in turn (your relevant posts being here, here, here, and here).
"Copium" is not an actual drug, it's a joking portmanteau of "cope" and "opium".
King was joking by posting an intense song instead of a relaxing one.
He certainly wasn't helping things, but neither of those things really push it over into being a thing worth punishing him over, imo.
You two should try to defuse situations like this quicker in the future. @LIFE_OF_KING that'd involve not shitposting at people who are annoyed with you.
Sir, you can't report staff on RVT. I thought my small little staff bar to the side would be enough to tell you that. Also, if HR wishes to review the thread for my behavior, they are free to do so.And of course you report me without me having broken a single damn rule.
But no, I’m going to reporting @Moritzva right back, because I am doing what I’m supposed to and am flat out getting ignored
She makes a claim in said thread that I debate back against her about. She ignores said claim and then manipulates the situation to make it appear I’m derailing when I’m not
Everything I’ve said in this thread is 100% relevant to the discussion, you can’t report me just because you don’t respond to what I’m debating with.
Really don’t care. You don’t get to make a manipulation of my character and report me over the littlest of things that aren’t rule breaking worthy.Sir, you can't report staff on RVT. I thought my small little staff bar to the side would be enough to tell you that. Also, if HR wishes to review the thread for my behavior, they are free to do so.
Nothing I did was derailing, and the rude remarks in an obviously very controversial thread we’re kept to a minimum.Also, you were warned three times for rudeness and derailing, and continued to do so. That's a rule break, enough to justify at least a thread ban.
Saying someone made an example up and pulled it out of nowhere about the discussion on hand is relevant. I’m debating you. I gave you a counter, you gave me a counter, and I called it out as being made upIf you care to, please explain how saying "... doesn’t bring a better example than the shitty one they pulled out of their ass." is 100% relevant and not rudely excessive for no reason.
You basically launched a smear campaign on the staff who voted in favour of the CRT, what do you mean you broke no rules?And of course you report me without me having broken a single damn rule.
But no, I’m going to be reporting @Moritzva right back, because I am doing what I’m supposed to and am flat out getting ignored
She makes a claim in said thread that I debate back against her about. She ignores said claim and then manipulates the situation to make it appear I’m derailing when I’m not
Everything I’ve said in this thread is 100% relevant to the discussion, you can’t report me just because you don’t respond to what I’m debating with.
This is a straight up false narrative and I’ve clarified this several several times.Reporting Kukui for repeatedly contributing to derailing and being unable to debate without claiming the opposition isn't knowledgeable and is thus invalid. He was warned several, several, several times and continues to be rude and combative. I could go on with examples of how they've baselessly accused people of "blatant manipulation of the voting system" just because they are losing.
Because if a vote is made prior to a counter argument being presented, and those people never even SEE those argumentsYou basically launched a smear campaign on the staff who voted in favour of the CRT, what do you mean you broke no rules?
Are all examples of you questioning the “legitimacy” of votes on this thread, which planted the seed for stuff like @Arceus0x outright calling for a reset on the vote count, something which MASSIVELY favoured your side of the argument
I would repost the original post for the sake of getting things back on track.If Kukui is getting thread-banned, I'll take care of this.
But I'm not accepting any kind of derailing, and I think that waiting for OP's answer to my post (as only @Agnaa was the staff who bothered to read it) is the first step to continue the CRT.
Maybe the best solution would be if the two of you collaborate in writing a single post that takes up all of your more important arguments, and a staff member summons all of the other staff members that have participated in the thread, along with the ones listed as being knowledgeable about Pokemon, to evaluate it?? After that you will have to abide by their decisions.Because if a vote is made prior to a counter argument being presented, and those people never even SEE those arguments
How in the world is it still a legitimate vote?
People like me and Strym have made dozens of counters that not even half the people in that thread ever got to see.
But somehow those votes are still considered a valid win against us?
Your basically saying that anyone who votes doesn’t need to counter us, they can take whatever side they wish to take, and that even if we go through the effort of providing arguments that could prove what they agree with wrong, they don’t even need to see them in order for their vote to remain the same.
If both sides are not going to be equally considered before someone takes a vote, then yes, a re vote needs to be done. Or else that is just being extremely dismissive to one side.
For the record, if I’m still getting thread banned, then I request to be permanently blocked from the site entirely.
Well, I definitely do not want that, as you have usually been a constructive member. Would what I suggested above be acceptable?For the record, if I’m still getting thread banned, then I request to be permanently blocked from the site entirely.
Mocking memes are very unnecessary.
I think you are being very disingenuous by assuming that all the staff who voted on the thread haven't paid attention to your arguments at all.Because if a vote is made prior to a counter argument being presented, and those people never even SEE those arguments
How in the world is it still a legitimate vote?
People like me and Strym have made dozens of counters that not even half the people in that thread ever got to see.
But somehow those votes are still considered a valid win against us?
Your basically saying that anyone who votes doesn’t need to counter us, they can take whatever side they wish to take, and that even if we go through the effort of providing arguments that could prove what they agree with wrong, they don’t even need to see them in order for their vote to remain the same.
If both sides are not going to be equally considered before someone takes a vote, then yes, a re vote needs to be done. Or else that is just being extremely dismissive to one side.
I disagree. I don't get the point of him asking to be permanently banned, that's not the intent of the report and he can just leave if he truly feels that way. All it does is serve to raise the stakes and make the scenario more tense for no reason, hence the need for tension to be lowered with a mild joke. Very necessary to point out.Mocking memes are very unnecessary.
I still think that our standard approach seems best here. Kukui can potentially be thread-banned quickly afterwards.Maybe the best solution would be if the two of you collaborate in writing a single post that takes up all of your more important arguments, and a staff member summons all of the other staff members that have participated in the thread, along with the ones listed as being knowledgeable about Pokemon, to evaluate it?? After that you will have to abide by their decisions.
Well, I agree that it was a big overreaction on his part.I disagree. I don't get the point of him asking to be permanently banned, that's not the intent of the report and he can just leave if he truly feels that way. All it does is serve to raise the stakes and make the scenario more tense for no reason, hence the need for tension to be lowered with a mild joke. Very necessary to point out.
It’s not being disingenuous when those people who voted in the first out of, what, 6 pages haven’t come back since when these counters were made?I think you are being very disingenuous by assuming that all the staff who voted on the thread haven't paid attention to your arguments at all.
Stop putting words in my mouth. It’s not about them being unconvincing, it’s about them not even seen or considered in the first place. And not just my arguments but everyone else’s such as Stryms.That, and you are arrogant in thinking your arguments couldn't possibly be unconvincing.
They are counters towards the OPs arguments. But whatever.Especially when half of the posts you claim to be "arguments" are nothing more than essays of derailment, ignorant comments, and irrelevant information that has next to nothing to do with the OP.
Because I want to not be tempted or given the option of coming back at that point?I disagree. I don't get the point of him asking to be permanently banned, that's not the intent of the report and he can just leave if he truly feels that way. All it does is serve to raise the stakes and make the scenario more tense for no reason, hence the need for tension to be lowered with a mild joke. Very necessary to point out.
If Strym wants to do that, I guess. But otherwise, I’m requesting this as I at this point no longer have any interest in this forum and don’t want to come back or be tempted to with a ban.Well, I definitely do not want that, as you have usually been a constructive member. Would what I suggested above be acceptable?
You can just... leave and be inactive...If Strym wants to do that, I guess. But otherwise, I’m requesting this as I at this point no longer have any interest in this forum and don’t want to come back or be tempted to with a ban.
You can just... leave and be inactive...
and don’t want to come back or be tempted to with a ban.
Yes, exactly, and if you want to convince anybody with your arguments, you should collaborate with Strym to create a single explanation post that is then evaluated, as this is our standard approach for these types of situations.You can just... leave and be inactive...
Okay. Understood.Kukui is very often aggressive with those who disagree with him, whether he is in the right or not. This is not an isolated issue.
If that’s what Strym wants to do, then I’ll just pass him whatever points he wants from me and let him handle the thread.Yes, exactly, and if you want to convince anybody with your arguments, you should collaborate with Strym to create a single explanation post that is then evaluated, as this is our standard approach for these types of situations.
Done already.Okay. Understood.
What do our staff think about thread-banning Kukui and letting Strym write a suummary post of their arguments that our staff can then evaluate?
I can certainly agree to that, having been at the receiving end at times.Kukui is very often aggressive with those who disagree with him, whether he is in the right or not. This is not an isolated issue.