Rose Quartz vs Natsu Dragneel

[The_Wright_Way]

Except that's not how hax works. That's like saying if Natsu has only been shown able to power null time stop, that doesn't mean he can power null time acceleration. The regen has no resistance to power null and it's not even one of the godly's so his null still works.

....Isn't that exactly how it works?

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

That is exactly how hax works. You cannot argue the null can work on things its never shown to work on, thats the definition of NLF

This. You'd need to prove that Natsu can negate regen above mid with scans. If he doesn't have feats of doing so he can't be assumed to negate something like Logia regen or anything above mid.

 

[Schnee_One]

You can't even null time acceleration to begin with as it isn't a hax that affects you

That is simply not a good example

 

[DragonEmperor23]

An example of offensive time acceleration would be using time manipulation to rapidly age something.

 

[Schnee_One]

Also

We literally had an entire thread about Zeref NOT having regen but having time Manipulation.

And yet he mulled Low Godly apparently

Also Rose FRA

 

[DragonEmperor23]

That is exactly how hax works. Time accel would work as Natsu have never shown to null it. You cannot argue the null can work on things its never shown to work on, thats the definition of NLF

My point was that it worked on Zeref's magic, which was time manipulation in general and not a specific aspect of it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Dragon Then let me ask, has Natsu actually shown the ability to null time acceleration?

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Also Natsu's power null is incredibly inconsistent. It happens randomly and depends on his emotion so I doubt he'd be nulling much here.

 

[Schnee_One]

You can't even null time acceleration to begin with unless you make contact before or as it works

It's not affecting the opponent, so Natsu bulking it with his flames will not work initially, only after contact

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Also Natsu's power null is incredibly inconsistent. It happens randomly and depends on his emotion so I doubt he'd be nulling much here.

That's an inaccurate description.

The three times Natsu has powernulled has been in response to hax being used on him and it does not depend on his emotions.

Natsu vs Zero: Either PN the EE or die.

Natsu vs Sting: It was either PN the sealing or lose.

Natsu vs Zeref: Power null was the only way to put him down.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

You can't even null time acceleration to begin with unless you make contact before or as it works
It's not affecting the opponent, so Natsu bulking it with his flames will not work initially, only after contact

It depends on how the time acceleration works. Your example is if it was thought based or contact based. It could also be projectile based.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Anyways,this time accel stuff is distracting from the thread so I apologize for bringing it up.

Back to the fight to restate my opinion, Natsu's victory comes from his larger AP/Dura which lets him do better against Rose's attacks and let's him start off with the advantage. Since this Natsu has fought against Zeref who used a similar looking technique with time reversal, once he sees the gem start regening he'll destroy it too.

(am schleep for now be back tmrw to address any replies)

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

@Dragon


Literally any other time Natsu hasn't power nulled abilities. He didn't negate Mard Geers EE. And every time he did actually null something he was running on emotions. It's literally how his power works, the more emotional he gets the hotter his flames get and nulls. While fighting Zero he was nulling it while screaming his head off, Sting wasn't even impressive and he didn't null everything Sting threw at him. Natsu fighting Zeref was when he was at his peak with his emotions. He didn't negate anything Acno threw at him either. It's a inconsistent power null and situational.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

@Empress who're you voting for?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Like i said at the start of the thread, Natsu has higher AP and Dura and better range but Rose beats him in literally everything else. She's far more skilled, has a High 6-A spammable shield and bubble forcefield, and attack reflection helps a lot against ranged attacks

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

@Empress who're you voting for?

Rose FRA. ovo

 

[DragonEmperor23]

@Dragon

Literally any other time Natsu hasn't power nulled abilities. He didn't negate Mard Geers EE. And every time he did actually null something he was running on emotions. It's literally how his power works, the more emotional he gets the hotter his flames get and nulls. While fighting Zero he was nulling it while screaming his head off, Sting wasn't even impressive and he didn't null everything Sting threw at him. Natsu fighting Zeref was when he was at his peak with his emotions. He didn't negate anything Acno threw at him either. It's a inconsistent power null and situational.

So you're arguing that it's reliant on his emotions when even in your argument there are examples of high emotions without powernull?

During the fight with Zero the entire time in dragon, he was literally being powered by flames of regret. He didn't powernull a single time until Zero pulled out the existence erasure.

Against Sting, you even mention that his emotions weren't intense during that fight but he still nulled him and that's because the power null isn't reliant on emotions. Even later, during arguably the most intense part of the fight where his dragon slayer art is going against Sting and Rogue's Unison Raid, he doesn't win by powernulling their attack, he just overpowers it.

Again, Natsu didn't powernull Zeref until after he vaporized Zeref and realized that he couldn't win unless he used powernull to get rid of his time reversal.

Are you really arguing that Natsu's flames are reliant on emotions for powernull when he didn't even use it against the guy who killed his father right in front of him? When finding his father was literally his main goal during the entire story?

We see that Powernull isn't even a thing that he can only do while transformed as Natsu does it in base against Sting. Do you have evidence of Natsu powernulling a normal magic attack that has AP and not hax?

 

[Delta3000]

Rose. she has greater stamina and can block or reflect every attack he throws at her with her shield meaning she can simply wait for natsu to run out of power and then kill him.

Rose may also be able to do something with her telepathy and possession. Or perhaps take the fight into space or under water where she would have the advantage.

 

[1997KD]

Another post where natsu will get L, because that's how all current matchup is made for natsu

 

[Delta3000]

How so? it isn't like Natsu can't win this he is just unlikely to do so.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

How so? it isn't like Natsu can't win this he is just unlikely to do so.

He's just talking about how Natsu usually gets matched up against people that are haxxed/require several things to be done to defeat them while Natsu himself doesn't really have any notable hax except mild power null that makes hard to beat him. Examples include a transmutation spammer, an angel with a whole wall of hax,two pokemon, the one of the tankiest Servants, and now someone that's literally just a better version of the person that he stalemated.

 

[Delta3000]

that's fair; the lack of hax/hax resistance really sucks for him and the rest of the FT characters.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Ima vote Rose for Stamina, durability, and more experience.

 

[Moritzva]

Rose FRA

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

RQ F-R-A

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I guess Ross via Regen, High 6-A shield and Attack Reflection.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Rose wins for the reasons above.

Better skill, High 6-A shields, attack reflection, and more.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Uh, by my count that's 8 for Rose and 1 for Natsu that I saw.

Rose: Schnee, Rin, Delta, Cinnabar(haha, it's me!), Pixel, Enryu, Paulo, and Rusty.

Natsu: Dragon.

(Apologies if I missed anyone.) Guess this can be closed then.