Rimuru Tempest vs Xeno Goku

[TheGreatBanana]

Goku has AP for that, but he doesn't know about the existence of imaginary space and can't feel Rimuru, and even with AP, it would be out of character for him to destroy the multiverse to reach it, and the imaginary space can only be accessed by Rimuru or whoever he allows, not even abilities that transcend time can reach there

Thanks to expanding it btw.
1- goku should know about it's existence via his sensing, and his summons senses[which extends to realms that are beyond 2-A structers.]
2- Goku destroying a multiverse is out of character yes, not for his summons. One of goku summons have no problema sealing up entire multiverse.
3- Goku and co. Outrange such realm via thier higher than baseline 2-A range. And xeno trunks [one of goku summons] have the awekaned Keysword which can seal up 2-A realms. So goku and co. In the end just seals and GG

 

[Quantu]

Okay. Can somebody list all of the members who have voted and/or contributed here previously, so I can send a notification to them, please?

AwkguyDB, TheGreatBanana, Braking, Rabbit2002, Pokemonfan807, Greatsage13th, denzeelmao, TauanVictor, Catpija, eliaspower1234, Ottavio_Merluzzo, Peak, Yemma670, Tatsumi504, Shubham_Sonsurkar, JustANormalPerson01, Vietthai96, Catpija, Ss3micah

From what I see, these are the guys voting/debating. I might have missed a lot

 

[Peak]

That is probably a good idea, yes.

Could you please close this Topic as well?

 

[Ss3micah]

Goku has AP for that, but he doesn't know about the existence of imaginary space and can't feel Rimuru,

2-A ESP Range
Rimuru has no resistance to ESP (a layered one at that)

and even with AP, it would be out of character for him to destroy the multiverse to reach it,

Its WAY OOC for Rimuru to start with Concept Hax but people still argued that

and the imaginary space can only be accessed by Rimuru or whoever he allows, not even abilities that transcend time can reach there

The Imaginary Space is still 2-B in range. Others who cant reach it has LESS than 2-B range. To state Goku cant reach it when he has more range than anyone in Tensura is Wank and NLF

 

[Peak]

Thanks to expanding it btw.
1- goku should know about it's existence via his sensing, and his summons senses[which extends to realms that are beyond 2-A structers.]
2- Goku destroying a multiverse is out of character yes, not for his summons. One of goku summons have no problema sealing up entire multiverse.
3- Goku and co. Outrange such realm via thier higher than baseline 2-A range. And xeno trunks [one of goku summons] have the awekaned Keysword which can seal up 2-A realms. So goku and co. In the end just seals and GG

Rimuru can hide his presence completely though

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

So one way or another Rimura is getting nulled either by Xeno Goku or Xeno Trunks right?

 

[Peak]

2-A ESP Range
Rimuru has no resistance to ESP (a layered one at that)

Its WAY OOC for Rimuru to start with Concept Hax but people still argued that

The Imaginary Space is still 2-B in range. Others who cant reach it has LESS than 2-B range. To state Goku cant reach it when he has more range than anyone in Tensura is Wank and NLF

I agree, but that would be time for Rimuru to put his RE into action.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Rimuru can hide his presence completely though

Good point, but sadly Xeno's KS will just passively null such ability.

 

[Peak]

Good point, but sadly Xeno's KS will just passively null such ability.

It's not an ability, it just has perfect control of its aura and can completely hide

 

[TheGreatBanana]

I agree, but that would be time for Rimuru to put his RE into action.

His RE will get negged by xeno trunks Awekaned KS or true form tokitoki [both are goku's summons.]

 

[Ss3micah]

I agree, but that would be time for Rimuru to put his RE into action.

I said it before and will again
Summons are deadly
They Negate Acausality so Sealing at least one past Rimuru would Take out Imaginary Space Rimuru plus certain summons dont mind nuking the world to death or can Undo his. RE with Time Power

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

Still voting for Goku. Rimuru using imaginary space to avoid his attacks seems to have been debunked numerous times, as well as his other wincons.

 

[Vietthai96]

No no no, stop this thread

 

[Peak]

I said it before and will again
Summons are deadly
They Negate Acausality so Sealing at least one past Rimuru would Take out Imaginary Space Rimuru plus certain summons dont mind nuking the world to death or can Undo his RE with Causality Manipulation

Does Goku always summon in every battle? Why would he invoke here?

 

[TheGreatBanana]

It's not an ability, it just has perfect control of its aura and can completely hide

That is....what an ability is. It's Hax/ability/power etc... and the Keysword is perfectly able to null it. Plus Goku and co. senses should deal with it. Said senses include sensing anomalies across the multiverse, sensing realms beyond the multiverse, sensing power level, emotional state and even beings that can hide thier presence acroos the multiverse.

 

[Vietthai96]

Does Goku always summon in every battle? Why would he invoke here?

DBH characters do that all the time

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Does Goku always summon in every battle? Why would he invoke here?

Unlike Canon goku, he doenst play around and is willing to do whatever it takes to win [ofcourse he wont resort to busting multiverse..however, his summons may do]

 

[Ss3micah]

It's not an ability, it just has perfect control of its aura and can completely hide

Goku sensed beings who straight up resist ESP
Aura Supression wont cut it

 

[Peak]

Okay. I'll lay out the wincons on both sides. Then we can have a civil discussion on that.

Rimuru wincons;

• Resistance to conceptual power null which makes KS power null here useless
• RE to adapt to and resist KS layered resistances, negation, potency
• Mobius system and mana breeder reactor producing infinite energy infinitely to counter DD
• Turn null with CM1, void manipulation
• HGR, immortality type 9, acasuality 3 to escape sealing and buy time to analyze goku, KS and summons
• Ciel analysis not being dependent on magicules (rimuru has run out of energy in BoS and great sage was still functioning)

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well, I think what's left for Rimuru is this

 

[Ss3micah]

Okay. I'll lay out the wincons on both sides. Then we can have a civil discussion on that.

Rimuru wincons;

My Counter Points

• Resistance to conceptual power null which makes KS power null here useless

This (if viable) would only make Rimuru himself cant be nulled, that doesn't mean his attacks and skill hax cant since its not his attakcs and skills that are resistant

In other words, if Rimuru threw out Icicle Shotgun, the technique Icicle Shotgun is not resistant to power null so it could still be nulled on contact. Its just that Rimuru himself cant be nulled from using it

KS can Power Null Info 2
This (if Viable) completely destroys your argument

• RE to adapt to and resist KS layered resistances, negation, potency

RE cannot adapt to numerous layers just like that BUT assuming he can do it... Time Power Summons could just Undo the RE at any time

• Mobius system and mana breeder reactor producing infinite energy infinitely to counter DD

This seems like a Tie because DD works against Infinite Stamina and thats what Rimuru has. It seems his stamina would never reach 0 (probably) but it would always remain at 1. So how is Rimuru gonna be performing at borderline zero stamina? Then there is of course Energy Absorption which saps 2-A (Literally Infinite Universes) amount of Energy at a time which I am darn sure the Mana Breeder and Mobius System cant produce

• Turn null with CM1, void manipulation

Thats assuming when he would chose to do this and even when he finally does... how good will it be when he has a PINCH of Stamina and Energy

• HGR, immortality type 9, acasuality 3 to escape sealing and buy time to analyze goku, KS and summons

He could use these to his advantage but again Summons are deadly. All that can be countered by Chronoa who has 2-A Range Sealing

• Ciel analysis not being dependent on magicules (rimuru has run out of energy in BoS and great sage was still functioning)

Oh then Ciel will still keep on working and since Rimuru cant reach zero stamina he wont get SEI either. But what could Ciel do to turn the tides when Rimuru is in such a sorry state?

 

[TheGreatBanana]

well, I think what's left for Rimuru is this

● Resistance to conceptual power null: That would be useless since CM1 of Slime and Info type 2 of DBH act similar, which DBH power can null layered versions of it. Thus KS, awekaned KS, dark factor and Time power power null shpuld null it rather easily.
● RE: Gets countered by power null that can null RE, or by any other Time power Hax. Plus, has it shown the ability to adapt to layered 4-D haxes?
● Turn neal gets countred by power null, BFR and sealing. His Aca3 gets countered by 2-A range and Acausality negation.
● CIEL gets countred by DBH passives such DD+ stamina reduction+ energy absorption+ power null. And since goku can summon Toki and Trunks, Time power just GG via layered 4-D information maniplution, Time hax, Fate hax and Causality hax, RW, HDM, power null etc....

 

[Tatsumi504]

Oh then Ciel will still keep on working and since Rimuru cant reach zero stamina he wont get SEI either. But what could Ciel do to turn the tides when Rimuru is in such a sorry state?

Analyze, adapt, evolve, overcome as rimuru instantly gains resistance to abilities he has analyzed and unlike Anos goku's hax isn't layered enough to say rimuru adapting would be NLF

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

Just let this end already...

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Would he be able to analyze and adapt faster when Goku just straightup summons Arale or FU

 

[TauanVictor]

Is it serious that Rimuru fans just started derailing using NLF? Lmao.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Is it serious that Rimuru fans just started derailing using NLF? Lmao.

Yep, While I'm the only outlier here. The only Rimuru fanboy that emptied his cup to accept foreign meme complexes.

 

[StekFence]

Would he be able to analyze and adapt faster when Goku just straightup summons Arale or FU

Ok so this has always confused me. Why does he summon people like fu or Demigra.

 

[Ss3micah]

Analyze, adapt, evolve, overcome as rimuru instantly gains resistance to abilities he has analyzed and unlike Anos goku's hax isn't layered enough to say rimuru adapting would be NLF

My counter to this?
How would Rimuru adapt, evolve and overcome this exactly?

DD works on those with Infinite Stamina and and it doesn't matter how much Rimuru improves Infinite + 1 is still Infinite which DD works on
As for Energy, Goku saps 2-A levels of Energy while Rimuru only has 2-B levels of Energy. The Gap between 2-B and 2-A is literally Infinite. To say Rimuru would adapt to that is Insane Wank

My point
No level of adapting will save Rimuru from DD or Energy Absorption and the summons are still gonna be a huge pain as the one's that can negate acausality can kill any past rimuru taking out Future Rimuru or Time Power users just use 2-A range Sealing and seal all of them at once beyond Baseline 2-A Range

 

[Vietthai96]

Ok so this has always confused me. Why does he summon people like fu or Demigra.

because he can summons them, wait he can't summon Fu

 

[TauanVictor]

Btw, Grace is over. That should be closed and the match added to the profiles.

 

[StekFence]

because he can summons them, wait he can't summon Fu

Right, but why would he choose to summon an antagonistic figure is my question

 

[Braking]

WTF 6 PAGES ALREADY?

 

[Iiliminal]

GOKU SOLOS!

 

[Tatsumi504]

My counter to this?
How would Rimuru adapt, evolve and overcome this exactly?

DD works on those with Infinite Stamina and and it doesn't matter how much Rimuru improves Infinite + 1 is still Infinite which DD works on
As for Energy, Goku saps 2-A levels of Energy while Rimuru only has 2-B levels of Energy. The Gap between 2-B and 2-A is literally Infinite. To say Rimuru would adapt to that is Insane Wank

My point
No level of adapting will save Rimuru from DD or Energy Absorption and the summons are still gonna be a huge pain as the one's that can negate acausality can kill any past rimuru taking out Future Rimuru or Time Power users just use 2-A range Sealing and seal all of them at once beyond Baseline 2-A Range

He automatically resists and gains whatever ability he analyzes, that's why.

They only have about 5 layers as opposed to Anos 99*uncountable layers.
It was NLF to assume rimuru could adapt to Anos but goku's shit here isn't layered enough to say he can't

 

[Vietthai96]

Right, but why would he choose to summon an antagonistic figure is my question

Demigra????. Start from Dark King Mechikabura, he always temporary allied with Time Patrol, so he is a psuedo-hero now, since he did help saving the world. That why Xeno Goku can summons him in his Dark King Mechikabura saga key and New Space-Time War saga key

 

[StekFence]

Aight thanks

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Energy Drain is one of the few abilities that is usually AP based.

 

[Ss3micah]

He automatically resists and gains whatever ability he analyzes, that's why.

They only have about 5 layers as opposed to Anos 99*uncountable layers.
It was NLF to assume rimuru could adapt to Anos but goku's shit here isn't layered enough to say he can't

So let me get this straight
Rimuru is gonna adapt and evolve from having 2-B levels of Energy to Massive Scaling Chain 2-A Levels of Energy, something he has never proven to be able to do in canon and he's gonna do so in an instant????

 

[StekFence]

Wait wait, the argument is hes gonna adapt to something infinitely more complex?

 

[Tatsumi504]

So let me get this straight
Rimuru is gonna adapt and evolve from having 2-B levels of Energy to Massive Scaling Chain 2-A Levels of Energy, something he has never proven to be able to do in canon and he's gonna do so in an instant????

No, He's going to adapt to resist the ability that is draining his energy then copy said ability and use it against his enemy