Rimuru Tempest vs Xeno Goku

[TauanVictor]

Wait wait, the argument is hes gonna adapt to something infinitely more complex?

Yes.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Wait wait, the argument is hes gonna adapt to something infinitely more complex?

Yes.

Its not infinitely more complex, it's just layered and the layers aren't much anyway

 

[Vietthai96]

Just close this thread, this is so stressful

 

[Iiliminal]

 

[TauanVictor]

Its not infinitely more complex, it's just layered and the layers aren't much anyway

Send some moment when Rimuru adapted to something like this immediately in a combat situation.

 

[StekFence]

Its not infinitely more complex, it's just layered and the layers aren't much anyway

it works on a 2-A level tho, which is infinitely more then any 2-B. Seems strange to say he’s gonna see this thing which is capable of literally infinitely more then anything else he’s ever experienced, and instantly overcome it

 

[Ss3micah]

No, He's going to adapt to resist the ability that is draining his energy then copy said ability and use it against his enemy

2-A Potency > 2-B Resistance
Unless you wanna tell me that Rimuru will gain 2-A resistance to something he didnt originally resist before?

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

2-A Potency > 2-B Resistance
Unless you wanna tell me that Rimuru will gain 2-A resistance?

^

Energy/Life Force force drain are AP things. So a 2-A life drain/energy drain will work on a 2-B.

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

Just close this thread, this is so stressful

Nah, we shouldn't close it just because one person is still arguing in Rimuru's favor.

 

[TauanVictor]

That sounds like those "Garou adapts GG" matches.

 

[Braking]

That sounds like those "Garou adapts GG" matches.

fr

 

[Tatsumi504]

it works on a 2-A level tho, which is infinitely more then any 2-B. Seems strange to say he’s gonna see this thing which is capable of literally infinitely more then anything else he’s ever experienced, and instantly overcome it

2-A Potency > 2-B Resistance
Unless you wanna tell me that Rimuru will gain 2-A resistance to something he didnt originally resist before?

You're now bringing AP into this which is wrong. Low 2-C, 2-C, 2-B, 2-A are all on the same dimensionality. AP doesn't matter when comparing their hax.

I'm not saying he will overcome / overpower the stamina drain, I'm saying he will outrightly gain resistance to the ability after analyzing it

 

[SuperStar]

Goku really beat Rimuru I've seen it all

 

[Tatsumi504]

^

Energy/Life Force force drain are AP things. So a 2-A life drain/energy drain will work on a 2-B.

Not if the 2-B resists the hax outrightly. Overcoming/ overpowering the hax is what would be NLF

 

[TauanVictor]

I'm saying he will outrightly gain resistance to the ability after analyzing it

When did Rimuru analyze any 2-A skill?

 

[Tatsumi504]

When did Rimuru analyze any 2-A skill?

There is no difference between 2-A and 2-B hax. Both are 4D. Same goes for all their 2 beings

 

[StekFence]

You're now bringing AP into this which is wrong. Low 2-C, 2-C, 2-B, 2-A are all on the same dimensionality. AP doesn't matter when comparing their hax.

I'm not saying he will overcome / overpower the stamina drain, I'm saying he will outrightly gain resistance to the ability after analyzing it

I’m fairly sure things like energy absorption are measured in the amount of energy they can absorb. In this case, gokus is capable of absorbing 2-A energy. Thus, adapting to it, would require some feats of adapting to potency even slightly comparable. And 2-B adaptions are infinitesimal when compared to 2-A. That’s why I think it wouldn’t work.

 

[Ss3micah]

Not if the 2-B resists the hax outrightly. Overcoming/ overpowering the hax is what would be NLF

This does not work
Energy Absorption is an AP centric Hax
Your example would essentially mean

A 9-B with resistance to statistics reduction could resist a 3-A Statistics Reduction without ever proven so before

 

[Tatsumi504]

I’m fairly sure things like energy absorption are measured in the amount of energy they can absorb. In this case, gokus is capable of absorbing 2-A energy. Thus, adapting to it, would require some feats of adapting to potency even slightly comparable. And 2-B adaptions are infinitesimal when compared to 2-A. That’s why I think it wouldn’t work.

This isn't about goku's absorption, this is about DD stamina drain. The scenario you're painting is about AP. I'm saying he outrightly resists the ability by hax resistance

 

[Tatsumi504]

This does not work
Energy Absorption is an AP centric Hax
Your example would essentially mean

A 9-B with resistance to statistics reduction could resist a 3-A Statistics Reduction without ever proven so before

If it is hax based then yes it should. DD was said to basically set his stamina to 1. This is hax, I'm not talking about absorption right now but SEI from DD

 

[Vietthai96]

uh oh, his DD can warp stamina of 4D being and infinite stamina like TPU Mechikabura who has his stamina powered by infinite amount of timeline

 

[TheGreatBanana]

This isn't about goku's absorption, this is about DD stamina drain. The scenario you're painting is about AP. I'm saying he outrightly resists the ability by hax resistance

We are talking goku and co. Energy absorption which works on opponents that have 2-A amount of energy. Show me a scan, a panel, a statement that can prove that rimuru has the ability to resist 2-A absorption. You are claiming that he can ressit and bypass something thats more than infinitely complex than he has ever shown...withouth proving the evidence that he can. At this rate, it's better to ignore this argument from how nonsencial it is.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

If it is hax based then yes it should. DD was said to basically set his stamina to 1. This is hax, I'm not talking about absorption right now but SEI from DD

And as Viet said. DD works on people that have infinite stamina, 4D beings, and beings that have thier stamina powered by an infinite Multiverse. Show me a scan were Rimuru can bypass this.

 

[Ss3micah]

If it is hax based then yes it should. DD was said to basically set his stamina to 1. This is hax, I'm not talking about absorption right now but SEI from DD

uh oh, his DD can warp stamina of 4D being and infinite stamina like TPU Mechikabura who has his stamina powered by infinite amount of timeline

What do you have to say now?
That Rimuru will adapt and surpass that???
IN AN INSTANT NO LESS!!!!!

 

[Tatsumi504]

You are claiming that he can ressit and bypass something thats more than infinitely complex than he has ever shown...withouth proving the evidence that he can

Firstly, I never made such a claim. I've explicitly stated that my argument was about DD status effect inducement. I never made any counter to the absorption.

Secondly, absorption shouldn't matter when he has 2 sources of infinite energy and they produce energy infinitely.

The gang can absorb as much as they want but he'll never run dry

 

[Vietthai96]

He can absorb energy of 2-A being which is infinitely greater than 2-B, so the moment he suck energy from anything that not 2-A, it will be instant, since he can suck 2-A energy with finite time

 

[Tatsumi504]

What do you have to say now?
That Rimuru will adapt and surpass that???
IN AN INSTANT NO LESS!!!!!

Y'all are talking about the absorption, I'm talking about the SEI from DD, how is this so difficult to process?

 

[Vietthai96]

Y'all are talking about the absorption, I'm talking about the SEI from DD, how is this so difficult to process?

DD do not induce SEI, SEI is induced when enemy lose all of their stamina, everyone got incap when their stamina hit 0, it is common sense, how you can do anything without any stamina??

 

[StekFence]

hmm.

DD do not induce SEI, SEI is induced when enemy lose all of their stamina, everyone got incap when their stamina hit 0, it is common sense, how you can do anything without any stamina??

until their soul comes out and one shots you anyways

 

[Rabbit2002]

hmm.

until their soul comes out and one shots you anyways

souls (Tensura) are Information type 2, right?

 

[Vietthai96]

hmm.

until their soul comes out and one shots you anyways

nah, i just explain how thing work, since he misunderstand that DD induce SEI which actually is not

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I'll lay out the wincons on both sides. Then we can have a civil discussion on that.

Rimuru wincons;

• Resistance to conceptual power null which makes KS power null here useless
• RE to adapt to and resist KS layered resistances, negation, potency
• Mobius system and mana breeder reactor producing infinite energy infinitely to counter DD
• Turn null with CM1, void manipulation
• HGR, immortality type 9, acasuality 3 to escape sealing and buy time to analyze goku, KS and summons
• Ciel analysis not being dependent on magicules (rimuru has run out of energy in BoS and great sage was still functioning)

Goku counters
1- Goku has 2-A range which is indefinitely higher than 2-B range. So yes goku can and will effect imaginary space. Lets not forget that goku summons have higher than baseline 2-A range....so Imaginary space gets cucked^2.
2- DBH info type 2 should be similer to Slime's CM1, since it is fundamental and effecting reality doesn't effect these info. Plus, DBH power null can null 4-D layered info so....Slime gets nulled.
3- DD+ other passive stamina reducinh hax + Energy reducing hax means that the moment the fight starts, Slime would be in the worst possible situation ever. He will be either constantly in a bare minimum staining state, or just night instantly get cucked to 0 stamina. Which he has no answer for.
4- Any ability, effect or hax that will come in contact to goku [or his summons that have The KS] Will instantly, automatically and passively be nulled.
5- Goku doesnt need to kill Slime to win, he just needs To DD, Seal and bfr. Which are all viable options.

Thank you.

@AwkguyDB @TheGreatBanana @Braking @Rabbit2002 @Pokemonfan807 @Greatsage13th @denzeelmao @TauanVictor @Catpija @eliaspower1234 @Ottavio_Merluzzo @Peak

What do you all vote for based on this?

Also, is somebody willing to write a new tally for them and all others who voted after the above post was written, please?

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Goku really beat Rimuru I've seen it all

Can't wait for year 2025 for Goku to fight Azatoth

 

[Braking]

Thank you.

@AwkguyDB @TheGreatBanana @Braking @Rabbit2002 @Pokemonfan807 @Greatsage13th @denzeelmao @TauanVictor @Catpija @eliaspower1234 @Ottavio_Merluzzo @Peak

What do you all vote for based on this?

Also, is somebody willing to write a new tally for them and all others who voted after the above post was written, please?

yup

 

[TauanVictor]

I vote Goku FRA.

I just want that to be added and not closed for toxicity.

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

I vote for Goku.

 

[Iiliminal]

Goku solos FRA

 

[denzeelmao]

Thank you.

@AwkguyDB @TheGreatBanana @Braking @Rabbit2002 @Pokemonfan807 @Greatsage13th @denzeelmao @TauanVictor @Catpija @eliaspower1234 @Ottavio_Merluzzo @Peak

What do you all vote for based on this?

Also, is somebody willing to write a new tally for them and all others who voted after the above post was written, please?

Still, Goku FRA.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for responding.

 

[AdNiBN002]

Goku FRA