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Return of the most Skilled Thread

Also Tasky definitely shouldn't be above Yujiro. I've gone into full details in the previous threads but he has serious anti feats, and despite his broken memory and copying its been fooled by things as simple as switching back and forth between styles, something that Captain America has taken advantage of multiple times.
 
Regidian said:
For the stamina is not really a part of skill for me, but i have tell that cu have take gilgamesh danmaku for 12 hour.

For their instant i have talked about it in the first paragraph when i tell that musashi had automatically blocked an unpredictable blow from raikou or that raikou instant blocked a heavenly eyes of pre zero musashi bcz her body reactes to it alone.

For the speed yagyu could defeat kama when he was mh and her immeasurable as he was not in suigestu at that time.
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Is part of skill since one need to maintain concentration for extended periods of times and despite their injuries. Though in this part Arifureta is above servants in general (and yes, this including Cu and Aquilles case).

Automatically block attacks (IR) imperceptible to the character in question or even unpredictable to them is also pretty common even among low tiers in Arifureta, so isn't that impressive compared from the perspective of Arifureta cast.

I mean, using that type of logic most of the servants become immesurable soooo, isn't the best to use this type of "outliers" (not really outliers but is the best way to call them).
 
Expectro2000xxx said:
Is part of skill since one need to maintain concentration for extended periods of times and despite their injuries. Though in this part Arifureta is above servants in general (and yes, this including Cu and Aquilles case).

Automatically block attacks (IR) imperceptible to the character in question or even unpredictable to them is also pretty common even among low tiers in Arifureta, so isn't that impressive compared from the perspective of Arifureta cast.

I mean, using that type of logic most of the servants become immesurable soooo, isn't the best to use this type of "outliers" (not really outliers but is the best way to call them).
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I mean for the second even low tier servant can do it. It's not being unpredictable the problem it's that some can never be predict by even people the calculation of moon cell or having preco.
And for instant reaction i mean what is better than having your body move before you think?

Well still can go with musashi being mh and being able to fight with dioscuri that can go ftl
 
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I'm gonna add some detail and feats that some he didn't mention to what ovens said

Mori was thrown by his mentor Subhuti in a monster den when he was a 1 year old baby and spent the night there. When Subhuti came back in not only Mori survived but he dominated the monster there less than a day and and from that day Subhuti taught Mori everyhing he knows, and Mori learned everything extremely quick.

Blitz the skyscaper the divine realm upto the third floor and defeated the master in each divine realm that are tough as possibly Ilpyo, but on top of that he beat countless soldiers and rushed to fourth floors without resting.

Defeated The Lord of the First and Second Heavenly Realm Micheal, Uriel, and Garuda while still exhausted and right after blitzing the skyscaper. And right after mori defeated those three while had a little rest he fought and defeated Satan who defeated every Lord of each Heavenly realm, and a skilled martial artist that can copy Mori's abilities just by reading his mind and getting constantly stronger by absorbing the heat in the sun and then outskills him at the end.

Right after his fight with Satan fought Commissioner R who absorbed the power every god that who're dead and alive and fought those gods as a borrowed power while exhausted and outskills Commissioner R at the end.

Post Timeskip Mori Jin now Dan got rusty on his skill and fought Mori Jung who skill stomps him at first but as the fight goes on Dan from his shit beat out of to blocking, dodging and parrying to outskilling Jung at the end. And blocked Mira Yoo doing this shit, and he all did that while his right arm is fractured, has a muscle tear in his left femur, and has multiple fractured ribs.

One shotted every comptetitor at the selection match and hitted someone 2 times in the chin, 1 to the solar plexus, 2 to the knees, and 1 to the shoulder and temple instantly that it looked like he did it at 1 hit. He defeated every opponent in his match and forced an Executive an talented individual to use a National Treasure, and skilled stomped Dean in their match. He did all that in his matches while adjusting himself to Peach's Borrowed Power and adjusting attacking at a tempo dozens of times slower, and also has been adjusting his strength to his opponents physique to all of his matches while controlling the weight of yeoui in his ear in his Dan form.

Fought the multiple Executives a talented individuals at once while controlling the Yeoui in his ear at the same time which is stated by Kyoichi is like drawing a picture with your left hand while writing something with your right hand. And then removed it later and practicing on the Executives on not wasting any power in his Dan form and then deflecting multiple arrows, swords, spear, lance, giant swords, and giant spears and he even caught a sword using his feet while deflecting the things that we're thrown at him. And he chooses basic martial arts technique that would suffice to each Executive to no waste his power, and even defeated Kyoichi who's a experts swordsman with a sword and beated the shit out of Rosinante in his Jin form.

After fighting the Executives he then proceeds to Mubong who is a skilled martial artist. And after fighting mubong he then fights Dean in Jin form, who's a Generation X the one with the precog just like ovens said who can also copy abilities not just martial arts technique. He was constantly copying and countering Mori's moves using his precog and mori's was fighting him while with many injuries and a broken arm, and then finished and mastered the technique that his grandpa unable to finished. And outskills Dean in and tattered the Armor Suits his Dan form which is weaker than his Jin form and surpassed his grandpa. And they continued a little while till Dean fully loses(because Dean already was knocked out a few times by Mori but just keep getting back up).

And then after beating the shit out of Dean he was Mandeok throwed multiple giant swords at him which he easily redirected with his hand and his feet. And then fought Mubong's army which consists the Executives including Ilpyo and other talented individual while exhausted and injured from his previous fight, although he has some allies in here but mubongs army got additional reinforcments.

Gonna mention som others tomorrow in more detailed way i got tired today i'll try to add more tomorrow
 
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Lugh_Tuathe_Dé said:
I'm gonna add some detail and feats that some he didn't mention to what ovens said

Mori was thrown by his mentor Subhuti in a monster den when he was a 1 year old baby and spent the night there. When Subhuti came back in not only Mori survived but he dominated the monster there less than a day and and from that day Subhuti taught Mori everyhing he knows, and Mori learned everything extremely quick.

Blitz the skyscaper the divine realm upto the third floor and defeated the master in each divine realm that are tough as possibly Ilpyo, but on top of that he beat countless soldiers and rushed to fourth floors without resting.

Defeated The Lord of the First and Second Heavenly Realm Micheal, Uriel, and Garuda while still exhausted and right after blitzing the skyscaper. And right after mori defeated those three while had a little rest he fought and defeated Satan who defeated every Lord of each Heavenly realm, and a skilled martial artist that can copy Mori's abilities just by reading his mind and getting constantly stronger by absorbing the heat in the sun and then outskills him at the end.

Right after his fight with Satan fought Commissioner R who absorbed the power every god that who're dead and alive and fought those gods as a borrowed power while exhausted and outskills Commissioner R at the end.

Post Timeskip Mori Jin now Dan got rusty on his skill and fought Mori Jung who skill stomps him at first but as the fight goes on Dan from his shit beat out of to blocking, dodging and parrying to outskilling Jung at the end. And blocked Mira Yoo doing this shit, and he all did that while his right arm is fractured, has a muscle tear in his left femur, and has multiple fractured ribs.

One shotted every comptetitor at the selection match and hitted someone 2 times in the chin, 1 to the solar plexus, 2 to the knees, and 1 to the shoulder and temple instantly that it looked like he did it at 1 hit. He defeated every opponent in his match and forced an Executive an talented individual to use a National Treasure, and skilled stomped Dean in their match. He did all that in his matches while adjusting himself to Peach's Borrowed Power and adjusting attacking at a tempo dozens of times slower, and also has been adjusting his strength to his opponents physique to all of his matches while controlling the weight of yeoui in his ear in his Dan form.

Fought the multiple Executives a talented individuals at once while controlling the Yeoui in his ear at the same time which is stated by Kyoichi is like drawing a picture with your left hand while writing something with your right hand. And then removed it later and practicing on the Executives on not wasting any power in his Dan form and then deflecting multiple arrows, swords, spear, lance, giant swords, and giant spears and he even caught a sword using his feet while deflecting the things that we're thrown at him. And he chooses basic martial arts technique that would suffice to each Executive to no waste his power, and even defeated Kyoichi who's a experts swordsman with a sword and beated the shit out of Rosinante in his Jin form.

After fighting the Executives he then proceeds to Mubong who is a skilled martial artist. And after fighting mubong he then fights Dean in Jin form, who's a Generation X the one with the precog just like ovens said who can also copy abilities not just martial arts technique. He was constantly copying and countering Mori's moves using his precog and mori's was fighting him while with many injuries and a broken arm, and then finished and mastered the technique that his grandpa unable to finished. And outskills Dean in and tattered the Armor Suits his Dan form which is weaker than his Jin form and surpassed his grandpa. And they continued a little while till Dean fully loses(because Dean already was knocked out a few times by Mori but just keep getting back up).

And then after beating the shit out of Dean he was Mandeok throwed multiple giant swords at him which he easily redirected with his hand and his feet. And then fought Mubong's army which consists the Executives including Ilpyo and other talented individual while exhausted and injured from his previous fight, although he has some allies in here but mubongs army got additional reinforcments.

Gonna mention som others tomorrow in more detailed way i got tired today i'll try to add more tomorrow
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Gonna continue this now
 
Looking at some of these posts, it's pretty intresting how skill is interpreted by different peoples as well as how skill feats/lore/statements are shown in different settings and mediums.
 
Lugh_Tuathe_Dé said:
I'm gonna add some detail and feats that some he didn't mention to what ovens said

Mori was thrown by his mentor Subhuti in a monster den when he was a 1 year old baby and spent the night there. When Subhuti came back in not only Mori survived but he dominated the monster there less than a day and and from that day Subhuti taught Mori everyhing he knows, and Mori learned everything extremely quick.

Blitz the skyscaper the divine realm upto the third floor and defeated the master in each divine realm that are tough as possibly Ilpyo, but on top of that he beat countless soldiers and rushed to fourth floors without resting.

Defeated The Lord of the First and Second Heavenly Realm Micheal, Uriel, and Garuda while still exhausted and right after blitzing the skyscaper. And right after mori defeated those three while had a little rest he fought and defeated Satan who defeated every Lord of each Heavenly realm, and a skilled martial artist that can copy Mori's abilities just by reading his mind and getting constantly stronger by absorbing the heat in the sun and then outskills him at the end.

Right after his fight with Satan fought Commissioner R who absorbed the power every god that who're dead and alive and fought those gods as a borrowed power while exhausted and outskills Commissioner R at the end.

Post Timeskip Mori Jin now Dan got rusty on his skill and fought Mori Jung who skill stomps him at first but as the fight goes on Dan from his shit beat out of to blocking, dodging and parrying to outskilling Jung at the end. And blocked Mira Yoo doing this shit, and he all did that while his right arm is fractured, has a muscle tear in his left femur, and has multiple fractured ribs.

One shotted every comptetitor at the selection match and hitted someone 2 times in the chin, 1 to the solar plexus, 2 to the knees, and 1 to the shoulder and temple instantly that it looked like he did it at 1 hit. He defeated every opponent in his match and forced an Executive an talented individual to use a National Treasure, and skilled stomped Dean in their match. He did all that in his matches while adjusting himself to Peach's Borrowed Power and adjusting attacking at a tempo dozens of times slower, and also has been adjusting his strength to his opponents physique to all of his matches while controlling the weight of yeoui in his ear in his Dan form.

Fought the multiple Executives a talented individuals at once while controlling the Yeoui in his ear at the same time which is stated by Kyoichi is like drawing a picture with your left hand while writing something with your right hand. And then removed it later and practicing on the Executives on not wasting any power in his Dan form and then deflecting multiple arrows, swords, spear, lance, giant swords, and giant spears and he even caught a sword using his feet while deflecting the things that we're thrown at him. And he chooses basic martial arts technique that would suffice to each Executive to no waste his power, and even defeated Kyoichi who's a experts swordsman with a sword and beated the shit out of Rosinante in his Jin form.

After fighting the Executives he then proceeds to Mubong who is a skilled martial artist. And after fighting mubong he then fights Dean in Jin form, who's a Generation X the one with the precog just like ovens said who can also copy abilities not just martial arts technique. He was constantly copying and countering Mori's moves using his precog and mori's was fighting him while with many injuries and a broken arm, and then finished and mastered the technique that his grandpa unable to finished. And outskills Dean in and tattered the Armor Suits his Dan form which is weaker than his Jin form and surpassed his grandpa. And they continued a little while till Dean fully loses(because Dean already was knocked out a few times by Mori but just keep getting back up).

And then after beating the shit out of Dean he was Mandeok throwed multiple giant swords at him which he easily redirected with his hand and his feet. And then fought Mubong's army which consists the Executives including Ilpyo and other talented individual while exhausted and injured from his previous fight, although he has some allies in here but mubongs army got additional reinforcments.

Gonna mention som others tomorrow in more detailed way i got tired today i'll try to add more tomorrow
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After doing all that shit few days have passed he had a date with peach and he rode every ride in an amusement park while having yeoui in his ear which increased in his weight controlling the yeoui.

Another days have passed he and Daewi charged at base that's full of Mubong's army from branch to branch and defeating an Executive in beijing who is an expert chinese martial artist who can easily block Mori's attack while attacking him at the same time and combining his tam while fighting outskilling Mori at first. But then at the end of the got outskilled by Mori and brought the Executives head to Dusik, he did all this while controlling Yeoui in his ear and remaining in his Dan form which is described by Daewi that being in Dan form for him is like a passenger with a bad flu riding a bus. Which every vibration, shaking, even inertia that'll the ride into hell for the passenger.

He trained using his Yeoui which he need to hit a small wood a haetae statue on a head of a hood tiki statue. And he was troubled hitting it at first then some Gen X taught him how to use a Bo Staff who easily hitted the haetae and he easily mastered it in just a few hours, and knocking multiple heads of haetae and creating new techniques while's doing it. Forced Daewi to use his both hands in their serious match through sheer skill, and he made Yeoui heavier for a second and dodge daewi's punch to the side. Then, right when his body reached it's lowest point, he made Yeoui lighter and used inertia to attack him. Which is stated by Daewi a skilled martial artist that, the skill that mori did is extremely difficult because mori has to control the weight of the Yeoui for a in really short period of time.

Fought another Executive who's also a Commissioner earlier in the series and a skilled assassin, he accurately hit the Executive and and his clones in the right hand while being completely surrounded by civilians with out hitting them. After doing that he instantly destroy or neutralized every bomb on the civilians hand without harming them, and then he tells the Executive where he would hit him yet the Executive can't do nothing about it. And kicked Yeoui in the palace and destroying the wire to stop the sequence at a far distance.

Then fought against Mubong's army which consisted with talented individuals. He was dodging, attacking, countering, and blocking while protecting civilians at the same time. And he easily redirected an large arrow fired from an distant in high speeds by Executive Rosinante. And he did it again this time redirected back at him and destroyed the another arrow and purposely missed and just destroy where Executive Rosinante is standing at. And then had a rematch again with the Executives but with a lot more and outskilling all of them at the end. After that used another large arrow and kicked it into space and destroyed a satellite, and he did all of this in his Dan form.

He kicked his Yeoui into the underground upto 1080 floors and then fighting another group of Executives and outskilling them in his Dan form. Then right after that fought Ilpyo who is a skilled martial artist and the one that ovens mentioned who mastered a martial art specifically to counter his martial arts, and outskills him in a fight and then masters his martial out more in the middle of his fight with Ilpyo. And then pretended to lose so Ilpyo could become the world president, while not killing a single Executive in a fight.

Easily dodge every slashes that Mira a skilled swordswoman did while they were both outside of the rocket launching to the moon and in the middle of the air in his Dan, and block and dodged some of the slashes while Mira was controlling multiple swords and doing this.

Fought against 5 Gen X which includes Dean the guy with the precog and the one who taught mori how to use a Bo Staff skillfully, and some cadres the worked for Mandeok Sang and some Dragons. And even hit Mubong without hitting the Gen X in front of him and couldn't even stop even when saw it coming, and outskills every Gen X that even shared the precog of dean including the one the taught mori how to use a Bo Staff skillfully and Mandeok Sang. After fighting them he fought Mori Jung again and in which Mori Jung can't even land a clean single hit against Mori Jin.

I'm gonna add some later since i'm tired but i think mori should share a spot with kouki
 
First_Witch said:
Lugh, love you son, but for the love of god keep this more comprehensive and short.
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Eh is it that not comprehensive since i'm really bad wording and it was kinda long since i feel like if i shorten it too much it would be hard to understand since i have no confidence when it comes to wording it in english and that's the shortest thing i can go. And i added some statements by the character themselves and how the feat was done.
 

Kenshiro !​


Here's some Kenshiro feats,I will also present feats performed by people who scale below Kenshiro, just so I don’t bog this list down with names I haven’t given context to. Kenshiro stands as the single most skilled fighter in his universe, surpassing all his predecessors and having absolute mastery over almost every single martial art displayed throughout the series. Kenshiro is perhaps the greatest Pressure Point user in fiction without any exaggeration. Most of his attacks are one hit kill, and not only that, depending of the pressure point and the technique, striking a pressure point can cause all sorts of effects such as:
Among many others, afterall Hokuto Shinken has a innumerable amount of techniques, and is stated to have infinite fighting variations, And Kenshiro is the most skilled fighter in his series which is no small feat because Hokuto No Ken is a verse full of broken and highly lethal martial arts, even the "weakest" ones can do things like:
The Strongest ones in the series are Hokuto Shinken, Nanto Seiken, and Gento Koken

Hokuto Shinken:​

The art's power is focused into channeling one's energy in a single blow and striking into the 708 Keiraku Hikō (経絡秘孔, "Hidden Channeling Points") points in the human body (also known as pressure points, power points, vital points, tsubo, etc.). These pressure points destroy the enemy from within, and causes the victim to explode (hence its durability-negating nature), be controlled involuntarily or otherwise incapacitated. It can also be used to heal certain physical and psychological wounds, such as restoring a person's voice, eyesight or memories, though the main purpose of Hokuto Shinken is assassination. Here some of it's best techniques:
Kenshiro is the greatest Hokuto Shinken user of all time in his series, he's so skilled that he can easily strike a pressure point as small as the tip of a pin with a strand of hair, the mastery over Hokuto Shinken not only makes Kenshiro incredibly versatile but also super deadly, especially to human characters, but even if someone is not human and has different pressure points, Kenshiro can still kill him, Kenshiro can discover the locations of ones pressure points, and even if he don't, he can use the Tenha Kassatsu A technique that is able to reveal the locations of one's vital points it also allows it's user to hit an opponent's pressure points without even making physical contact with them, Kenshiro doesn't even need to know the exact location of one's pressure points for Tenha Kassatsu work.

1800 years ago in China, during the "Three Kingdoms" era, the Hokuto fist was split up amongst the three clans, and all 3 had different versions of Hokuto.

Hokuto Soka Ken​

Hokuto Sonka Ken​

Hokuto Ryuken​

Kenshiro knows all of those, especially Hokuto Ryuken. The ultimate Hokuto Ryuken technique is Anryū Tenha the user can bend space around himself to avoid attacks or distort space around an opponent to disorient them and trap them in a weightless space, it also can distort the distance between himself and his opponent, control the arena and atmosphere. EOS Kenshiro also scales above Toki and Raoh who were so skilled that they both created their own versions of Hokuto, which Kenshiro also knows.

Nanto Seiken:​

While Hokuto Shinken targets vital points to destroy enemies from within, Nanto Seiken teaches how to kill from the outside. This style not only incorporates weaponry but the more advanced schools allow fighters to kill with their bare hands, ranging from hand-to-hand stabbing techniques to slice enemies apart with air pressure. There are 108 sects Nanto Seiken. The six strongest Nanto masters are called the Nanto Roku Seiken, who correspond to the six stars in the Nanto Roku Sei constellation. Junsei, Gisei, Yōsei, Jinsei, Shōsei, and Jibosei (Those who live under this star do not master any Nanto style. Instead, the combat capabilities come from the Nanto Goshasei guardians) which leaves us with the 5 strongest Nanto martial arts. They are:

  1. Nanto Koshu Ken​

  2. Nanto Suicho Ken​

  3. Nanto Kokaku Ken​

  4. Nanto Hakuro Ken​

  5. Nanto Hōō Ken​

Most of them are pretty broken, they are capable of doing things like A flying kick which maims the enemy by slicing the tendons in their arms and legs, cutting the opponent’s ligaments so finely that the cartilage along with all connective tissues would regenerate in 3 seconds if left unmoved (i think this attack is somewhere in the nano/pico meters range), slice the victim apart from the back without touching it, create powerful ilusions to obscure the user's presence and mystify opponents, fly and phase through the enemies attacks while simultaneously slicing them, and many others. Kenshiro is a master of all 108 Nanto styles.

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Gento Koken:​

The Gento style focuses on use of ki energy, usually projected outwards as a blast or sometimes as a shield. It uses ki and light like a blade to destroy the opponent's body on a cellular level. Here's Falco disintegrating a man with a Gento attack (here's the anime version of this scene for you to see more cleary), Falco easily desintegrated Jako too. Gento fighters can also shoot ice from their hands, and Kenshiro also knows this super deadly style.

But there's something that almost every martial art in Hokuto no Ken utilizes

Tōki:​

Tōki (闘気, Fighting Spirit) is a special type of ki energy used in several martial arts, including Hokuto Shin Ken, Hokuto Sanka Ken, Nanto Sei Ken and Gento Kō Ken. It can be used to launch ki-based attacks that strike targets (even precise ones, like the Keiraku Hiko) at long range, or to defend the user from attack. Kenshiro has displayed impressive ki mastery over the course of the series, he's able to shoot ki attacks, use ki like telekinesis, he can use ki to touch's one pressure points, he can absorb other's ki, can also prevent his ki from being absorbed, can use ki as force field and protect himself, he can also pass through Ki shields, and also use ki to fly, put fear on others and pacify animals. An expert user can often radiate tōki from his own body as a Fighting Spirit Aura (Tōki no Aura) he can use his Aura to attack for him and manifest a barrage of fists, anticipate attacks, dull murderous intent, strike a man's heart, fright a fighter's ki back into his body, and leave him completely incapable of moving and so weak that even a single pebble can knock him down and redirect ki blasts, and hit other people's vital points automatically (a scene of something similar happening in the anime)

So Kenshiro is extremely versatille not only due to the mastery of Hokuto itself but also due to the amount of other martial art styles at his disposal.

Now for the sake of comparasion

Technique copy:​

Using the Sueishin technique, Kenshiro can easily assimilate the enemy's style, it's stated multiple times in the series that Kenshiro just need to see a martial art in action once to completely master it. Kasumi (Kenshiro's uncle) even says that this is what makes Hokuto Shinken the ultimate martial art, Hokuto users not only steal your martial art, they can instantly do it better than you and understand it on a much deeper level than you ever could, Kenshiro for example surpassed Solia's prowess in Gento Kō Ken [a martial art once deemed to be more deadly than Hokuto Shinken and with 2000 years of history], after only seeing a single move of said style. Other Hokuto fighters besides Kenshiro could also copy martial arts, Raoh for example, even before setting on his quest to summon all kenpo users, had already mastered almost every martial art After starting his quest, Raoh goes out of his way to summon masters of all martial arts and “steal their secrets”, aka, master their martial art (also yeah, he masters a whole martial art by reading a piece of paper describing it..), here’s the japanese and here’s the translation We are told by Toki that Raoh repeated this process with “hundreds of families”, meaning that Raoh has mastered hundreds of martial arts. Kasumi Kenshiro copied Hokuto Sonka Ken's KI manipulation to create the Tenha Kassatsu. And even Jagi who is a absolute fodder compared to EOS Kenshiro, could copy a Nanto style. here's Ken and other Hokuto users using some fighting styles that they copied.

Analytical Prediction:​

Kenshiro has like 3 forms of precog. he can predict the opponent’s moves by reading his muscle and eye movements, just like the Colonel did, Hokuto fighters can anticipate the attacks of those who enter his aura, along with being able to read the aura of others to predict their movements, Hokuto fighters can also receives visions of other fighters attacks, accurately predicting when, where and which attack would be and what effect would it have if connect it. (here's a anime scene of this happening too), Hokuto fighters can also sense one's presence and smell killing intent, which makes them highly unlikely to be taken by surprise, it's also quite difficult to predict an attack of a Hokuto fighter since they can change their fate and erase their presence. when 2 Hokuto masters fight each other no one can predict the outcome.

Enhanced Senses :​

Hokuto fighters can

Acrobatics:​

Alot of martial art have displayed incredible Acrobatic stunts during the series things like
There's also the fact that some fighters in HNK can fly/float/glide with Certain techniques. Also Kenshiro scales above anyone else in any type of combat.

Body Control:​

Reflexes:​

Accelerated Development/Learning Speed:​

Kenshiro not only can copy techniques he also can nullify its effects and see right through it. He has been shown to adapt to incredibly complex techniques on the fly, such as when he adapted to Anryū Tenha's space-warping ability, he was able to discover that Souther suffered from dextrocardia by sensing his blood flow and heartbeat, after just one fight, and also able to find away to kill a guy that was "immune" to Hokuto Shinken in mid fight, other Hokuto fighters such as Kasumi can see a martial art’s “blind spot”, that is, he can perceive the split second in which the user focuses energy to throw an attack and use that knowledge to predict the attack, effectively negating the martial art as a whole, he also can come up with new techniques on the fly in order to counter his opponent’s, in fact even minor characters in HNK are crazy adaptable this is evident when Shachi and Kaiser fought each other, The two were constantly one-up each other, Shachi was able to fully read the Kaiser’s moves and then Shachi got outskilled by Kaiser, showing that even fodders have the ability to quickly adapt to the opponent’s martial art. Speaking of Shachi, he has been shown to be able to adapt to Han's speed just by watching him and Kenshiro fight, even though he previously couldn't see Han's fist attack him, Kenshiro was also able to adapt to Souther's speed, at first Ken could barely see him, but seconds after he was able to completely blitz Souther, Ken is also said to become stronger according to his opponent level of power, and he did managed to fight Raoh to a standstill and would have killed him had he not been stopped, despite Toki stating only minutes prior that Ken didn't even have a 1% chance of defeating Raoh. He's stated to have "infinite potential" in terms of technique and combat prowess multiple times throughout the series. Scales significantly above Toki, who, with his sheer skill and talent, bent Raoh's fate and manifested his harbinger of death. The same technique doesn't work twice on a Hokuto master.

Martial Arts/Weapon Mastery:​

Kenshiro is the greatest Hokuto Shinken master of all time, and he has absolute mastery over every single martial art displayed throughout the series (with few exceptions), he's also stated to have mastered nunchaku, sword and staff use he's able to deflect knives using his nunchucks, and is excellent at throwing spears, other Hokuto fighters such as Charles De Guise have show incredible use of firearms, Hokuto fighters can turn anything into a deadly weapon, such as cutlery and even a strand of hair.

Skill scaling chains:​

Hokuto no Ken skill respect thread. this doc does a good job of clarifying the scaling, but i also recommend for anyone interested to read the whole thing just for you to see how bonkers the skill feats in the series are.

Combat feats and Experience:​

Read the Hokuto no Ken skill respect thread feats section. About experience, even some fodders in HNK had like a thousand fights, Kenshiro fights nearly every day in the apocalyptic wasteland. Also Given the context of how Hokuto works, how it was designed as the “ultimate martial art” and how its masters tend to go around the planet fighting other martial artists in order to enhance the style (here’s a notable instance of this happening) it’s a fairly safe bet to say that Hokuto Shinken ultimately contains aspects of every martial art that has ever existed from 2000 years ago to the moment the series ends, and Ken states that due to the nature of Hokuto Shinken's transmission, it's like he has 1800 years worth of combat experience and training, he was an assassin from the very moment he was born, and due to the fact that he also went through the initiation ritual like Kasumi and touched the Hokuto stone, which makes him live through the lives of every single successor in the history of Hokuto, effectively gaining 1800 years of combat experience. Ken scales above Raoh (who is stated to have surpassed the power of Hokuto itself) and Kaioh who fought on equal grounds against Shachi possessed by the Hokuto goddess (a deity that probably has millions of years worth of experience)

So i really think that Kenshiro needs to be recognized as one of the most skilled characters on this wiki
 
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Silvervigilant said:

Kenshiro !​


Here's some Kenshiro feats,I will also present feats performed by people who scale below Kenshiro, just so I don’t bog this list down with names I haven’t given context to. Kenshiro stands as the single most skilled fighter in his universe, surpassing all his predecessors and having absolute mastery over almost every single martial art displayed throughout the series. Kenshiro is perhaps the greatest Pressure Point user in fiction without any exaggeration. Most of his attacks are one hit kill, and not only that, depending of the pressure point and the technique, striking a pressure point can cause all sorts of effects such as:
Among many others, afterall Hokuto Shinken has a innumerable amount of techniques, and is stated to have infinite fighting variations, And Kenshiro is the most skilled fighter in his series which is no small feat because Hokuto No Ken is a verse full of broken and highly lethal martial arts, even the "weakest" ones can do things like:
The Strongest ones in the series are Hokuto Shinken, Nanto Seiken, and Gento Koken

Hokuto Shinken:​

The art's power is focused into channeling one's energy in a single blow and striking into the 708 Keiraku Hikō (経絡秘孔, "Hidden Channeling Points") points in the human body (also known as pressure points, power points, vital points, tsubo, etc.). These pressure points destroy the enemy from within, and causes the victim to explode (hence its durability-negating nature), be controlled involuntarily or otherwise incapacitated. It can also be used to heal certain physical and psychological wounds, such as restoring a person's voice, eyesight or memories, though the main purpose of Hokuto Shinken is assassination. Here some of it's best techniques:
Kenshiro is the greatest Hokuto Shinken user of all time in his series, he's so skilled that he can easily strike a pressure point as small as the tip of a pin with a strand of hair, the mastery ove Hokuto Shinken not only makes Kenshiro incredibly versatile but also super deadly, especially to human characters, but even if someone is not human and has different pressure points, Kenshiro can still kill him, Kenshiro can discover the locations of ones pressure points, and even if he don't, he can use the Tenha Kassatsu A technique that is able to reveal the locations of one's vital points it also allows it's user to hit an opponent's pressure points without even making physical contact with them, Kenshiro doesn't even need to know the exact location of one's pressure points for Tenha Kassatsu work.

1800 years ago in China, during the "Three Kingdoms" era, the Hokuto fist was split up amongst the three clans, and all 3 had different versions of Hokuto.

Hokuto Soka Ken​

Hokuto Sonka Ken​

Hokuto Ryuken​

Kenshiro knows all of those, especially Hokuto Ryuken. The ultimate Hokuto Ryuken technique is Anryū Tenha the user can bend space around himself to avoid attacks or distort space around an opponent to disorient them and trap them in a weightless space, can distort the distance between himself and his opponent and control the arena and atmosphere. EOS Kenshiro also scales above Toki and Raoh who were so skilled that they both created theirown versions of Hokuto, which Kenshiro alsoknows.

Nanto Seiken:​

While Hokuto Shinken targets vital points to destroy enemies from within, Nanto Seiken teaches how to kill from the outside. This style not only incorporates weaponry but the more advanced schools allow fighters to kill with their bare hands, ranging from hand-to-hand stabbing techniques to slice enemies apart with air pressure. There are 108 sectsNanto Seiken. The six strongest Nanto masters are called the Nanto Roku Seiken, who correspond to the six stars in the Nanto Roku Sei constellation. Junsei, Gisei, Yōsei, Jinsei, Shōsei, and Jibosei (Those who live under this star do not master any Nanto style. Instead, the combat capabilities come from the Nanto Goshasei guardians) which leaves us with the 5 strongest Nanto martial arts. They are:

  1. Nanto Koshu Ken​

  2. Nanto Suicho Ken​

  3. Nanto Kokaku Ken​

  4. Nanto Hakuro Ken​

  5. Nanto Hōō Ken​

Most of them are pretty broken, they are capable of doing things like A flying kick which maims the enemy by slicing the tendons in their arms and legs, cutting the opponent’s ligaments so finely that the cartilage along with all connective tissues would regenerate in 3 seconds if left unmoved (i think this attack is somewhere in the nano/pico meters range), slice the victim apart from the back without touching it, create powerful ilusions to obscure the user's presence and mystify opponents, fly and phase through the enemies attacks while simultaneously slicing him, and many others. Kenshiro is a master of all 108 Nanto styles.

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Gento Koken:​

The Gento style focuses on use of ki energy, usually projected outwards as a blast or sometimes as a shield. It uses ki and light like a blade to destroy the opponent's body on a cellular level. Here's Falco disintegrating a man with a Gento attack (here's the anime version of this scene for you to see more cleary), Falco easily desintegrated Jako. Gento fighters can also shoot ice from their hands. Kenshiro also knows this super deadly style.

But there's something that almost every martial art in Hokuto no Ken utilizes

Tōki:​

Tōki (闘気, Fighting Spirit) is a special type of ki energy used in several martial arts, including Hokuto Shin Ken, Hokuto Sanka Ken, Nanto Sei Ken and Gento Kō Ken. It can be used to launch ki-based attacks that strike targets (even precise ones, like the Keiraku Hiko) at long range, or to defend the user from attack. Kenshiro has displayed impressive ki mastery over the course of the series, he's able to shootki attacks, use kilike telekinesis, he can use ki to touch's one pressure points, he can absorb other's ki, can also prevent his ki from being absorbed, can use ki as force field and protect himself, he can also pass through Ki shields, and also use ki to fly, put fear on others and pacify animals. An expert user can often radiate tōki from his own body as a Fighting Spirit Aura (Tōki no Aura) he can use his Aura to attack for him and manifest a barrage of fists, use his aura to anticipate attacks, dull murderous intent, strike a man's heart, fright a fighter's ki back into his body, and leave him completely incapable of moving and so weak that even a single pebble can knock him down and redirect ki blasts, and hit other people's vital points automatically (a scene of something similar happening in the anime)

So Kenshiro is extremely versatille not only due to the mastery of Hokuto itself but also due to the amount of other martial art styles at his disposal.

Now for the sake of comparasion

Technique copy:​

Using the Sueishin technique, Kenshiro can easily assimilate the enemy's style, it's stated multiple times in the series that Kenshiro just need to see a martial art in action once to completely master it. Kasumi (Kenshiro's uncle) even says that this is what makes Hokuto Shinken the ultimate martial art, Hokuto users not only steal your martial art, they can instantly do it better than you and understand it on a much deeper level than you ever could, Kenshiro for example surpassed Solia's prowess in Gento Kō Ken [a martial art once deemed to be more deadly than Hokuto Shinken and with 2000 years of history], after only seeing a single move of said style. Other Hokuto fighters besides Kenshiro could also copy martial arts, Raoh for example, even before setting on his quest to summon all kenpo users, had already mastered almost every martial art After starting his quest, Raoh goes out of his way to summon masters of all martial arts and “steal their secrets”, aka, master their martial art (also yeah, he masters a whole martial art by reading a piece of paper describing it..), here’s the japanese and here’s the translation We are told by Toki that Raoh repeated this process with “hundreds of families”, meaning that Raoh has mastered hundreds of martial arts. Kasumi Kenshiro copied Hokuto Sonka Ken's KI manipulation to create the Tenha Kassatsu. And even Jagi who is a absolute fodder compared to EOS Kenshiro, could copy a Nanto style. here's some time the Ken and others Hokuto users used other fighting styles that they copied.

Analytical Prediction:​

Kenshiro has like 3 forms of precog. he can predict the opponent’s moves by reading his muscle and eye movements, just like the Colonel did, Hokuto fighters can anticipate the attacks of those who enter his aura, along with being able to read the aura of others to predict their movements, Hokuto fighters can also receives visions of other fighters attacks, accurately predicting when, where and which attack would be and what effect would it have if connect it. (here's a anime scene of this happening too), Hokuto fighters can also sense one's presence and smell killing intent, which makes them highly unlikely to be taken by surprise, it's also quite difficult to predict an attack of Hokuto fighter since they can change their fate and erase their presence. when 2 Hokuto masters fight each other no one can predict the outcome.

Enhanced Senses :​

Hokuto fighters can

Acrobatics:​

Alot of martial art have displayed incredible Acrobatic stunts during the series things like
There's also the fact that some fighters in HNK can fly/float/glide with Certain techniques. Also Kenshiro scales above anyone else in any type of combat.

Body Control:​

Reflexes:​

Accelerated Development/Learning Speed:​

Kenshiro not only can copy techniques he also can nullify its effects and see right through it. He has been shown to adapt to incredibly complex techniques on the fly, such as when he adapted to Anryū Tenha's space-warping ability, he was able to discover that Souther suffered from dextrocardia by sensing his blood flow and heartbeat, after just one fight, and also able to find away to kill a guy that was "immune" to Hokuto Shinken in mid fight, other Hokuto fighters such as Kasumi can see a martial art’s “blind spot”, that is, he can perceive the split second in which the user focuses energy to throw an attack and use that knowledge to predict the attack, effectively negating the martial art as a whole, he also can come up with new techniques on the fly in order to counter his opponent’s, in fact even minor characters in HNK are crazy adaptable this is evident when Shachi and Kaiser fought each other, The two were constantly one-up each other, Shachi was able to fully read the Kaiser’s moves and then Shachi got outskilled by Kaiser, showing that even fodders have the ability to quickly adapt to the opponent’s martial art. Speaking of Shachi, he has been shown to be able to adapt to Han's speed just by watching him and Kenshiro fight, even though he previously couldn't see Han's fist attack him, Kenshiro was also to adapt to Souther's speed, at first Ken could barely see him, but seconds after he was able to completely blitz Souther, Ken is also said to become stronger according to his opponent level of power, and he did managed to fight Raoh to a standstill and would have killed him had he not been stopped, despite Toki stating only minutes prior that Ken didn't even have a 1% chance of defeating Raoh. He's stated to have "infinite potential" in terms of technique and combat prowess multiple times throughout the series. Scales significantly above Toki, who, with his sheer skill and talent, bent Raoh's fate and manifested his harbinger of death. The same technique doesn't work twice on a Hokuto master.

Martial Arts/Weapon Mastery:​

Kenshiro is the greatest Hokuto Shinken master of all time, and he has absolute mastery over every single martial art displayed throughout the series (with few exceptions), he's also stated to have mastered nunchaku, sword and staff use he's able to deflect knives using his nunchucks, and is excellent at throwing spears, other Hokuto fighters such as Charles De Guise have show incredible use of firearms, Hokuto fighters can turn anything into a deadly weapon, such as cutlery and even a strand of hair.

Skill scaling chains:​

Hokuto no Ken skill respect thread. this doc has does a good job of clarifying the scaling, but i also recommend for anyone interested to read the whole thing just for you to see how bonkers the skill feats in the series are.

Combat feats and Experience:​

Read the Hokuto no Ken skill respect thread feats section. About experience, even some fodders in HNK had like a thousand fights, Kenshiro fights nearly every day in the apocalyptic wasteland. Also Given the context of how Hokuto works, how it was designed as the “ultimate martial art” and how its masters tend to go around the planet fighting other martial artists in order to enhance the style (here’s a notable instance of this happening) it’s a fairly safe bet to say that Hokuto Shinken ultimately contains aspects of every martial art that has ever existed from 2000 years ago to the moment the series ends, and Ken states that due to the nature of Hokuto Shinken's transmission, it's like he has 1800 years worth of combat experience and training, he was an assassin from the very moment he was born, and due to the fact that he also went through the initiation ritual like Kasumi and touched the Hokuto stone, which makes him live through the lives of every single successor in the history of Hokuto, effectively gaining 1800 years of combat experience. Ken scales above Raoh (who is stated to have surpassed the power of Hokuto itself) and Kaioh who fought on equal grounds against Shachi possessed by the Hokuto goddess (a deity that probably has millions of years worth of experience)

So i really think that Kenshiro needs to be recognized as one of the most skilled characters on this wiki
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What place do you want kenshiro at?

Edit: After telling their feats and stuff you need to say at what place you think your is
 
Oooohhh, I always wanted to take a shot at these but... well... Earld and me (a DMC guy) never got along.

So, Dante from the Devil May Cry Series and to make this shit controversial put him at first place >:V

From a young age he has been trained by Sparda, a demon with over 2000 years of experience and someone considered the best swordmaster in all of the demon world.

During his time as Tony his combat prowess was exceptional among the mercenaries of the underworld, people who went from randoms to highly trained soldiers even fighting demons like the black knights who have techniques that allow them to spot patterns far beyond their opponent's abilities, the greatest of them all (bar Vergil) was Gilver, an angelo made with the combat data of Sparda, Tony and Vergil combined.

Then during his awakening back to Dante he was able to fight and easily defeat the same black knights, claiming that his skills were revived, fighting evenly and even overwhelming Gilver at points during their battle. (This more because of his Accelerated Development and Reactive Evolution that allows him to reach and surpass opponents, it became useless against Gilver due to him having the same shit and evolving past dante evolution in his evolving about evolving against gilver lmao) He also can spot patterns in opponents fighting styles and react accordingly.

Also, Dante is some sort of genious, he can learn how to use every weapon he touches with perfect mastery, unparalleled in the human world.

In DMC3 Dante can fight Vergil who scales to all the above. Vergil is considered for some reason to be more skilled than Dante but that's fake, Dante is the more skilled of the two, being capable of evolving past vergil.

His skills only get better as the night progresses going from getting curbstomped by Vergil to easily taking care of him at the end of the game.

In DMC: PoC he can fight evenly with Plutone, a demon lord who's skill is considered exceptional even among demon lords and is way older and experienced than Mundus and Sparda who are at least 2000 years old.

Then in DMC1 he can fight Nelo (who is vergil corrupted) Nelo's skill allows him to defeat Dante once and Dante evolves past that and beats Nelo in the next 2 fights. The second volume says how Nelo skill was a mirror of his own and unmatched, the only general that was able to fight Dante to a extreme degree.

In the anime he easily defeats Sparda's apprentices, 2 demon lords who had been practicing and refining their skills for 2000 years (one of them in the hopes of surpassing Sparda)

Later in Vol2 he fights Chen, an omniscient guy who has copied sparda's skill perfectly, more than that he also has precognition and is able to predict Dante's movements and is still incapable of taking Dante down, until mid fight in which Dante evolves again to just not get precog'd. Dante also calls his skill with the sword lacking and soulless which makes him angry.

In DMC2 he fights and defeats Bolverk, a demon god who was Sparda's nemesis, he is stated to have surpassed Sparda here and all those that came before him.

In DMC4 he is constantly regarded as the most skilled being alive by Nero and the villains, he is also stated to have surpassed Sparda in skills. He is also shown to be able to mimic other's fighting styles as he easily copied Vergil's darkslayer style, which other character noted to never have seen him do in the past.

In DMC5 he fights Vergil 1 on 1 (Vergil scales to Dante skill wise), later the ending of 5 and the SE show Dante defeating Vergil with quite some ease and Dante even says he can read all his moves like an open book. Also WoG said their fight would be endless (which is false since Dante already surpassed Vergil in skill again).

Dante is also a great marksman, capable of analyzing and predicting the trajectory of his projectiles in mere moments.

In DMC3 Dante can do this, make bullets ricochet so they can hit several times and this, in dmc4 he does this and this

Also, I don't know if this qualifies as skill but Dante has some stupid broken Instinctive Reactions:

During his young days as a mercenary he was able to dodge faster than he could think, this became stupid broken in Vol 2. During his fight with the alternative version of Mundus he was able to dodge all of his attacks, dancing through them and laughing.

Mundus for reference is an omnipresent void that was spamming danmaku, summoning weapons and attacking Dante from all sides while Dante was inside the void itself. IRL I guess it would be like being at the bottom of the ocean and evading the water from touching you.


I know he isn't the most skilled but this looks fun without Earl pulling some bs
 
No one can beat Zhong Yue in analytical prediction as long its not some ''infinite'' thing...so clearly he's numba 1.

Also, I forget to mention his possition when I posted my list - he should be numba 1 or 2 - why? Cause Witch hopes for war.
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Oooohhh, I always wanted to take a shot at these but... well... Earld and me (a DMC guy) never got along.

So, Dante from the Devil May Cry Series and to make this shit controversial put him at first place >:V

From a young age he has been trained by Sparda, a demon with over 2000 years of experience and someone considered the best swordmaster in all of the demon world.

During his time as Tony his combat prowess was exceptional among the mercenaries of the underworld, people who went from randoms to highly trained soldiers even fighting demons like the black knights who have techniques that allow them to spot patterns far beyond their opponent's abilities, the greatest of them all (bar Vergil) was Gilver, an angelo made with the combat data of Sparda, Tony and Vergil combined.

Then during his awakening back to Dante he was able to fight and easily defeat the same black knights, claiming that his skills were revived, fighting evenly and even overwhelming Gilver at points during their battle. (This more because of his Accelerated Development and Reactive Evolution that allows him to reach and surpass opponents, it became useless against Gilver due to him having the same shit and evolving past dante evolution in his evolving about evolving against gilver lmao) He also can spot patterns in opponents fighting styles and react accordingly.

Also, Dante is some sort of genious, he can learn how to use every weapon he touches with perfect mastery, unparalleled in the human world.

In DMC3 Dante can fight Vergil who scales to all the above. Vergil is considered for some reason to be more skilled than Dante but that's fake, Dante is the more skilled of the two, being capable of evolving past vergil.

His skills only get better as the night progresses going from getting curbstomped by Vergil to easily taking care of him at the end of the game.

In DMC: PoC he can fight evenly with Plutone, a demon lord who's skill is considered exceptional even among demon lords and is way older and experienced than Mundus and Sparda who are at least 2000 years old.
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This is good but True Immortals are as a whole more skilled than the likes of Sword Immortal Unity, who's been training in the sword for 1 trillion years. Ji Ning's a whole 10 levels of skill and comprehension above Unity by the peak of his power and quite literally 1.08 million times older and more experienced.

Weapon Mastery, well, Ji Ning as a Wanxiang Adept has the comprehension to take his skill with a bow from his 4 y/o swordplay equivalent to his 20 y/o self with a bit of practice.

As a True Immortal, he can comprehend offensive Daos at such levels that he can take himself from a complete novice to the level of his 80y/o self and... I think you see where I'm going with this, especially considering that he has several "level jumps" in comprehension after that.
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Then in DMC1 he can fight Nelo (who is vergil corrupted) Nelo's skill allows him to defeat Dante once and Dante evolves past that and beats Nelo in the next 2 fights. The second volume says how Nelo skill was a mirror of his own and unmatched, the only general that was able to fight Dante to a extreme degree.

In the anime he easily defeats Sparda's apprentices, 2 demon lords who had been practicing and refining their skills for 2000 years (one of them in the hopes of surpassing Sparda)

Later in Vol2 he fights Chen, an omniscient guy who has copied sparda's skill perfectly, more than that he also has precognition and is able to predict Dante's movements and is still incapable of taking Dante down, until mid fight in which Dante evolves again to just not get precog'd. Dante also calls his skill with the sword lacking and soulless which makes him angry.

In DMC2 he fights and defeats Bolverk, a demon god who was Sparda's nemesis, he is stated to have surpassed Sparda here and all those that came before him.

In DMC4 he is constantly regarded as the most skilled being alive by Nero and the villains, he is also stated to have surpassed Sparda in skills. He is also shown to be able to mimic other's fighting styles as he easily copied Vergil's darkslayer style, which other character noted to never have seen him do in the past.
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Ji Ning is unsurpassed in skill across an entire multiverse by the end of his series but these sorts of comparisons are always rather nebulous in terms of absolute skill so I don't think it matters all that much either way.
Tony_di_bugalu said:
In DMC5 he fights Vergil 1 on 1 (Vergil scales to Dante skill wise), later the ending of 5 and the SE show Dante defeating Vergil with quite some ease and Dante even says he can read all his moves like an open book. Also WoG said their fight would be endless (which is false since Dante already surpassed Vergil in skill again).

Dante is also a great marksman, capable of analyzing and predicting the trajectory of his projectiles in mere moments.
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That's a pretty good one admittedly. Granted Ning can nail a fly to a surface over planetary distances with a bow and arrow and he gets orders of magintude more precise past that point.
Tony_di_bugalu said:
In DMC3 Dante can do this, make bullets ricochet so they can hit several times and this, in dmc4 he does this and this

Also, I don't know if this qualifies as skill but Dante has some stupid broken Instinctive Reactions:

During his young days as a mercenary he was able to dodge faster than he could think, this became stupid broken in Vol 2. During his fight with the alternative version of Mundus he was able to dodge all of his attacks, dancing through them and laughing.

Mundus for reference is an omnipresent void that was spamming danmaku, summoning weapons and attacking Dante from all sides while Dante was inside the void itself. IRL I guess it would be like being at the bottom of the ocean and evading the water from touching you.


I know he isn't the most skilled but this looks fun without Earl pulling some bs
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These are admittedly good IR feats, Ning has too few of those unfortunately. He can act as his abstract essence while consciousness is gone for that's worth at least.
 
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@Planck69 man this guy Ning is ridiculously skilled, i don't think my boy Ken is that skilled, Ning and Kouki Amanogawa are just too much.
But i'm pretty sure that Kenshiro is more skilled than Yujiro
 
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