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Return of the most Skilled Thread

I'm just going to say my sentiment here: This thread is a mistake, and me just witnessed it is a istake as well considering i was in part of Trung Sister debate in wikia and gameFAQ and its really unhealthy, and then stumbled upon this is making it worse

Oh and Fate supporters, please note that Musashi, Sasaki, and Muramasa AREN'T the only servants with ridiculous skill, there are some of servants that are also skilled but nowhere breaking it into a hax skill, look at Lancelot, look at Raikou, look at Karna, and so on

Thats all
Yeah but their lower in the scaling chain. Like musashi and raikou have already battle and musashi have evolve to become more skilled than raikou in the battle and sasaki was already tell to be the more skilled and powerful guy in shimousa. Karna it's hard to place him because his training in lb4.
 
That's an intelligence feat and even if it weren't, experience doesn't translate to skill directly.
Thanks for clarifying, ig ill have to think of some other way. What if my character had really good technical skills in the sense they’ve basically hacked the multiverse using maths to do stuff
 
Thanks for clarifying, ig ill have to think of some other way. What if my character had really good technical skills in the sense they’ve basically hacked the multiverse using maths to do stuff
Martial Arts or Weapons we are talking about
 
Zhong Yue - for additional info look at his profile but below is the skillz/creativity and his legendary analytical prediction.

Only after starting his journey as a cultivator, he manage to only learn the essence of a skill (just by it being presented before it once) but also combine it with another art he known.

The main way to use powers in verse is through Visualization which is basically using your mind to visualize the "runes" which form all the things be it a simple cloth, an element, a sword skill, an animal, etc. This thing has 3 stages of mastery: Thinking of what one wants to visualize; Subconscious visualization which is just like how it's a natural thing for humans to eat, drink and sleep; Unconscious visualization which it's done without any thoughts like how humans breathe. He has reached the third stage in just ten-days and can do it for 24 of hours even while being asleep. This is something that even genius cultivators take decades if at all. He can fight against someone who also has reached the state of instinctive reaction and who is on the same status of mastery as him. Later he fought with multiple people like this who were higher in realm than him and he not only was beating them but also training/cultivating at the same time.

Can unleash all the strength of his psyche, soul and body in perfect coordination, and because of that while people will only use 100% of their prowess he can use 140%.

Can using strings of a zither to cast sword skills which would confuse most sword users as it makes them think of unlimited variations of the zither string which can be controlled as if they are his arms.

He's a master of a multitude of weapons like swords, hooks, whips, hammers, sabers and shields using them at the same time but he favors two sabers for which he created multiple techniques. Even the hair on his body can be used a weapon to attack or defend.

Learned the Sixty Four Sword Styles - sword silks which follow an arithmetic progression; the 1st sword style required the manipulation of one sword silk, two sword silks for the 2nd style, and so on. Art that focuses on finesse and subtlety, emphasizing its various permutations and transformations. It requires an extraordinary ability for calculation and control; without such endowments, it would be useless despite how much one practices. Basically one would need to coordinate, calculate and control for each style from 1 to 64 of sword silks and if all were to be executed together it would be 2080 sword silks.

He can control autonomic his muscles to seal their wound/bleeding and has absolute control over his movements having no waste of energy/stamina.

Managed to deduce from just one or two sentences of someone nearly every information about herself, her father and her master.

Can fight with multiple martial art masters at the same time who uses everything about them - muscles, bones, hair and even sweet as a weapon. Always being circled by 4 to 5 masters and every time one or more fell others will take their place. In this fight, he uses multiple ways to deal with them showing his versatility and creativeness (normal attacks, soul attacks, sound bases one, elemental ones, flute/bell/sword/zither skills, hair, etc) plus getting better at the fight as it continued as his mastery increased. Then he fought with 23 of them at the same time.

Reached a level of seeing and using simple moves as the most complex things for simplicity is the ultimate manifestation of complexity. The first time he realized this Zhong decided that all his skills are too flawed and childish so he remade them while watching a fight between two combatants.

Zhong Yue can break skills through sheer technique by striking the center of balance and core of them.

Had fought with 2 Martial Heavenly Masters at the same time who each were 3 realms above him with just his technique. Must be noted that just an increase in realm is a big thing and if we use the tier/speed of the wiki then he was High 7-A with SoL reactions vs 4-B with MFTL+ reaction.

Learned an art just by watching snowflakes (a storm) where a large part of these snowflakes were each an individual and unique skill while someone who was known as the next heir of the Bai clan took half a month while under the guidance of an elder.

While most people will learn skills/arts from others be their teachers, parents, elders, sects, etc...all he knows is thanks to his own deduction of creating or copying them. He once created his own melee fighting style that changes between Yin and Yang, Demon and God, etc so that the energy released by his attacks will confuse the enemy and to break their own attacks.

Zhong Yue reached such a level that no mistake can be made before him otherwise his opponent will die and just him standing thanks to his stance will make others fear to attack for there is no flaw no matter which direction they will try to attack from. Not even when he unlocked the bloodline of 8000 Fuxi Warriors and with their new prowess, the best of them still couldn't defeat him as Zhong stood and showed no flaw in his stance. The bloodline of the Fuxi, for example, will make that everything about you, your techniques, secrets arts, bloodline, and concepts of the world will be reflected in their Fuxi scales and still it did nothing to help him combat Zhong Yue.

He also created techniques while in a fight and mastered/perfected them at the same time.

Zhong Yue knows so many skills/techniques and can use them separately with his second body to not show any duplication while fighting against himself in a tournament where an entire continent has come to watch and no one could say if they were the same person.

Created his Yin Yang Style which evolves as he does along the way and uses it to redirect attacks of others.

Zhong Yue's has so much knowledge on various skills/techniques that he imparted to multiple students and it will take all of them 10 - 20 years to learn it. He was around 26 years old here and could still create all these arts for them. Most of the techniques he has on the profile are created by him - and he has 50 of them (the profile still lacks his final key so there will be several more in the future) - one of these on the his current last key has him creating the Innate Eight Triagrams that explain the wonders of the Universe through its changes making him able to control its aspects which helped him comprehend later Daoless Heaven which existed before Dao themselves.

Later he created a technique which separates everything in Yin and Yang, positive and negative to calculate and compute the form, mass, orbital course, environmental situations of stars and planets of an entire solar system which not only computes/simulate the three dimensions but the fourth also (time). Then he uses it to calculate an art that took would normally take ten of thousands of years to learn in just three days as he simulates countless transformation of the art every second and compute billions of symbols/runes of it - each rune can be an art or more will form one. He also created a technique that will make even others who can predict things not be able in his free time as a side thing.

To defeat him, you need to have better deductive ability than him even if he thought someone else his skills. Even someone who can calculate and compute even the Karma itself can't defeat him for he will not only counter it but also find them through his computation.

He can predict what an opponent will do next by calculating the flow of their blood essences, the shortcomings of their skills, the positions of their Yuan Shen, the weaknesses of their mortal body, their movements, habits and their next points of attack as if he had gone through the same predicament thousands of times that he knew exactly what to do and where to move in order to evade the skills. Furthermore, he can predict through their personalities, thoughts, and even their instincts from dozens of foes at the same time and calculate the changes and results of hundreds of millions of skills at once.

In a 1 vs 1 - another genius who was taught by Gods with millions of years of combat experience he still defeated him by predicting everything he will ever do (its a long scene this one so better read it than me explaining it fully here). Later, even the most powerful body in the Cosmos who can passively grasp anything (including Dao - concepts) and evolve could still not keep with his computations.

Can create millions of incarnations within his mind to simulate all kind of battles, techniques, skills. He needs to be able to control all of them, each with different thoughts. Shortly, he can have millions of separates thoughts at the same time to simulate so much.

Not yet on the profile but for his next key to show how creative he is:

He created a way to become an Innate God (basically becoming a Dao/Concept itself) which lets him use all the Spirit Body (all bloodline/spirits) in the Cosmos and at the same time learned all the techniques that have yet to be created for a few millions of years.

He then decided to comprehend the Reincarnation Dao and created a technique to jump outside of it which encompasses all the Dao of the verse. He also created multiple use of it: The Reincarnation Dao is not only the reincarnation of the Soul but its also the reincarnation of the Time-Space and Dao. While it can't repair the damage done to the Dao it can reincarnate the Dao into it's previous or next state like reincarnating someone endlessly till to be a child, a man, a woman, young or old, dead or alive, a human, a beast, etc till to a point where he wishes and so it can chose what kind of being and innate powers he/she will have. It can also be used as a means to reincarnate endlessly making all Daos ineffective against the user even if the one used will return all things to Chaos. Also, it can be used to put attacks in an endless cycle of reincarnation so it won't affect him even if they are already reached him.
 
Don't know if these three would get a spot on the list, but here goes.

V1 - Part of a robot race that managed to wipe out entire militaries and the rest of the human race. Bested two robots (two more if we count easter eggs, IG) that should have the same combat experience, and quickly learned how to use their weapons. Would later go on a rampage through Hell and kill Minos Prime and best Gabriel, who is the most respected and feared out of all the Archangels.

Besides that, V1 is an exceptionally skilled and versatile marksman who can utilize all weapons in its arsenal in a quick succession, and of course there's the Marksman variant of its revolver, that allows it to ricochet all sorts of bullets (or it can just use its fist, too) off the coins that the gun produces mid-air to land a powerful shot towards its enemy's weakpoint everytime. Then there's also the fact that it can quickly learn the moveset of its enemies, and learn to time their attacks so that it can parry them, including both ranged and melee attacks.

Travis Touchdown - The intelligence category on his profile took out all the words from my mouth, so... ¯\(ツ)

Meteor Survivor - Same learning and analysis stuff as V1, but on a ridiculously higher level. Bested Alexander, who could calculate an infinite amount of possibilities, and would later go on to defeat Omega, a robotic being that can quickly adapt and evolve to defeat its opponents. Besides that, he fought other highly skilled characters like Zenos and Exdeath.

Can learn and utilitize the abilities and weapons of all twenty playable jobs in a short timespan, with his masters being shocked at how quickly he is improving. Some of the jobs are also incredibly ancient arts of combat, and some are magicks from long-gone cultures whose scripture has been lost or destroyed for centuries.
 
I'm just going to say my sentiment here: This thread is a mistake, and me just witnessed it is a istake as well considering i was in part of Trung Sister debate in wikia and gameFAQ and its really unhealthy, and then stumbled upon this is making it worse

Oh and Fate supporters, please note that Musashi, Sasaki, and Muramasa AREN'T the only servants with ridiculous skill, there are some of servants that are also skilled but nowhere breaking it into a hax skill, look at Lancelot, look at Raikou, look at Karna, and so on

Thats all
Yeaaah but when it comes to skill with a blade I don't think anyone tops Musashi and Sasaki unfortunately

And this list is about "The Most Skilled" so it wouldn't make sense to talk about putting Raikou or Saber Emperio on this list when they aren't the most skilled in their own verse
 
Just noticed this and thought in read everything before comment but as expected some posts are really long and here is really late I will read the entire thread later, though want to comment before that.

Since the list mainly consist of physical fighters I will go with one of them.

I propose Kouki Amanogawa (His After-Stories key and With Auralodde, before that he was trash but because of mental problems). His Intelligence and stamina section talk more than enough but will expand each point with extra info.

1) Has trained in the Yaegashi school of martial arts ever since he was a child, and he was skilled enough to compete in national tournaments. By this point Kouki was trash so he didn't really reached the level of a true disciple of the Yaegashi style, but still is important to mention why the Yaegashi style is so impressive, which is explained in this post I made in the past, I don't copy all important parts because they are too long and the tablet don't let me copy too much text.

2) Upon being summoned to Tortus, he was trained by the best martial artist there in sword arts and is among the top fighters in the world. This is important because it mean that by this point he was at the very least comparable to people like Meld or Gahard.

Gahard Skill Showing: The following scenes are from his battle against the Haulia (with their 120 members) who are the race with the best stealth among al the races.​



Later the Haulia become better to the point that they would be capable to defeat Gahard with a few of them or in 1vs1 with their more stronger members, but that isn't that important to this point.​

3) Later after he resolved his internal conflict and made his resolve, by pure will learned the War Demon skill to continue to fight even when his body is broken, also mastered the Yaegashi Style (so everything from the Yaegashi post apply to him now) and became a sword saint reaching one of the summits of swordsmanship while unconscious, important to note is how this summit made his sword literally imperceptible to top tiers with too ******* long scaling chains of senses scaling (stealth that turn someone invisible is considerate basic stealth and as such higher of stealth need to surpass the previous levels of invisibility and such) and his emotions can’t be sensed even by Koone despite her good senses which can read the thoughts and feelings of others, even Mother is unable to react to him when using his skill as sword saint despite of be able to predicted his future moves based on his gaze, muscle movement, and the faintest signal of his nerves. Something worth to note is that he turned in a sword saint in a three days long fight where he was using almost all his magic power to defend an entire city while physically fighting thousands of enemies, in a world where his recory was slower and without his standar equipment (so no armor, flying boost, etc), he only had his sword.

4) Perceived countless bullet that were flying his way, which he softly grazed the bullets with the flat side of his holy sword and changed only their trajectory. He splendidly diverted the trajectories of all the slug bullets to avoid the people he was protecting behind him and gouged another spots while also changing the bullets trajectory to hit his enemies that were surrounding him, he also reflected back dozens of lasers (which in principle fulfill the laser dodging requirement) while doing that and this was in a severely weakened state where he initially was having even troubles with railguns speed.

5) Developed a fighting style that changes every instant, this because his sword literally shapeshift every instant, like a instant can be a western sword, then the later a katana, the a urumi, then a storn sword, etc.

6) Fought against Mother with her crazy analytical skill and calculation ability that even let her reconstruct from the scrap of a explosion a machine able to teleport to other worlds in minutes at most, with her intelligence she also defeated a futuristic humanity (which even colonise other planets) and got all the knowledge from said humanity, which mean that she know all the forms of combats possible to humans and as such her movements have the essence of martial arts to a master level. Futhermore she had gathered and analyzed an entire day of recordings of Kouki fighting her futuristic machine soldiers, he was also already exhausted when the fight begun because he needed to fight her soldiers and do to the conditions of the world his recovery rate was super slow, his stats where far lower than normal and he was basically unable to use magic (so all the time in this world he could just fight with his sword), also this was a bit after the previous fight in which he become a sword saint so he was still mentally fatigued and didn't had his equipment.

7) Fought against a army of one hundred of thousand of machine soldiers of Mother few hours after his fight against Mother herself, which mean that he was still exhausted, and while he was unable to defeat them in those conditions with just his sword he killed a considerable number of the army and fought long, and the instant that he become able to actually use magic he defeated the entire rest of the army by himself. Hours after this fight he fought against a army of several thousands to probably several millions of monsters with unique powers, though by this point he was capable of use normally magic and had his standar equipment so I'm not really gonna focus in that.

And there are more but well, this is good enough, though just want to mention that since he is one of the top tiers of the verse he is really accustomed to defeat people with instincts that are basically spider sense and instinctive reactions since those are extremely common in the verse, he also is above the like of the Apostles and early Hajime which battle was like this:

And this is just a fragment of their fight, there actually was much more in the fight.

Man, this post is long and I didn't even used (because I don't have my pc) the word documents (which are +200 pages) with most of the skill feats.

Don't know in which spot Kouki should be because as I said in the beginning of the post I need time to read the entire thread, but you can put him where you think he should be.
Now I finished to read the entire thread and honestly think that Kouki can be 1 or 2 place currently, many mentioned how their character have thousands of years, that can defeat thousands of opponents or know thousands of martial arts, but without actually showing battle feats of those opponents defeated or the martial arts it doesn't impressive, like those opponents had instinctive reaction? How fast was their calculation power? How creative they could be in middle of combat? How could they fight against something faster and/or stronger? How quickly they grow? Etc.

I feel like my comment did a good job showing things like that since the first part link to a previous post in which I listed some things that even normal humans (so people without powers or centuries of experience because they are normal humans) can, which show the bases of the series and the things that the people with powers and centuries upscale.

If needed I can go more indeep in his scaling mentioning things that he upscale, like early Yaegashi who already was unpredictable and her moves where impossible to be readed do to her mastery of the Yaegashi style (her mastery manifested as a literal game style skill with both lore description and feats showing that she indeed her movements can't be read), early Hajime who can recochet even gatling guns so each bullet hit another bullet or attack that at the same time hit another attack and so successively in a sort of domimo effect that null barriages of attacks (read his inteligence section since it show a fine amount of his skill feats), or Shea who can learn and improve entire techniques and styles just with a glance (heck even a non-combatant heroine like Lily can master judo, akido and other martial arts just by see one time a Youtube video) or even with just ear-read about them (this include physical techniques from works of fiction that shouldn't be possible to imitate). I just mention them without posting the scenes in which they do said things because then the post will turn absurdly long.
 
Yea i doubt that kouki get can get to 1 or 2 since there are characters like Ji Ning, Mori, Ikki, etc.
I mean, in Ji Ning don't even have IR and most of his things are battle people with many years sooo. Not saying that he is unskilled since he have many feats and their are impressive, but ignoring the hax part of the skill (since Planck itself is fine with that) I feel that Kouki can be above him or at least share place with him.

Mori is already below Ji and aside from the fact that copying techniques/styles is something in Arifureta that even fodder like Lily can do then Kouki don't really have problems against that and he seem to not have as much calculation power as Mother, Hajime or even Apostles. I also get the impression that people in Arifureta have better instincts since even low level characters instincts are like spider senses (they know things before they happen, dodge without think, instinctually feel the intentions, emotions and thoughts of others, etc) and then there also are characters with precog like Shea who can automatically see the future and if want can even see several futures.

Ikki isn't in the list and since his main supporter seem to be gone there don't really seem to be someone else who could argue about him like in the past.

Though everything said I think that Zhong Yue is above Kouki do to feats and because his calculation and analysis power seem to be above even Mother.
 
Eh Ovens didn't post any scans so can't blame you if you think his copying skill just nothing compared to them when it's really better than them but i'll try to post some scan many in GOH can copy techniques far above arifureta
No, I mean, the copying in Arifureta extend to works of fiction, like they read a novel in which characters do things techniques physically impossible and they still learn them (like Shea learning the Gura Gura No Mi or nonsense characters amps), is just that since that's more in the hax territory I just focus in the physical techniques part that is easy to understand, so no things like copy of fighting styles that use hair or blood to fight and such.
 
I mean, in Ji Ning don't even have IR and most of his things are battle people with many years sooo. Not saying that he is unskilled since he have many feats and their are impressive, but ignoring the hax part of the skill (since Planck itself is fine with that) I feel that Kouki can be above him or at least share place with him.
Erm, anything I should be specifically aware off about him? Ning's at the top of a skill scaling chain spanning an entire multiverse, where out-skilling all of Earth's humanity is done by mooks at Bk.2 of 45. He lacks IR (I think) but I'm not seeing what exactly Kouki has that's topping the list.
 
Erm, anything I should be specifically aware off about him? Ning's at the top of a skill scaling chain spanning an entire multiverse, where out-skilling all of Earth's humanity is done by mooks at Bk.2 of 45. He lacks IR (I think) but I'm not seeing what exactly Kouki has that's topping the list.
I mean, how skilled earth humanity is in the verse for example? What is the level of acrobatics of said people? Their calculation and analysis power? How good are their instincts-battle senses? How quick is the decision making in combat? How creative they can be in battle? How well they can face people strong-faster than them? How good is their growth in middle of combat? Things like that. Just saying that character A is above humanity don't really explain much if I don't know the level of said humanity, so I'm asking for that. Is because of how important those things are that in this post I made in a previous thread I tried to explain with some combat scenes the level of normal humans in Arifureta for example, to illustrate the base from which the characters with profiles massively upscale.
 
Don't just propose characters, clearly state what spot you think your character deserve. It would help afterwards to state the agreed conclusion afterwards.
 
I mean, how skilled earth humanity is in the verse for example? What is the level of acrobatics of said people?
Dodging 10,000 arrows coming from all directions while being slower than them and being unscathed is starter stuff.
Their calculation and analysis power?
Numerancy is this, where people that are well versed in it can calculate events quadrillions of years in advance, though this is seen more in high tiers. Ning managed to fuse his Numerancy into his sword play, when it was at a level of calculating all events for the next quintillions of years in advance.
How good are their instincts-battle senses?
Not all that focused on in the setting but I'll have to double check again. Ning maintained himself and could block attacks for a while when his consciousness was consumed by pain and trying to keep itself from being dispersed by karmic flames. He of course improves in his capacity to act when his Heartforce gets to the point of being able to allow his abstract essence to act while his consciousness is gone.
How quick is the decision making in combat?
Splitting one's mind and parallel thinking is starter level stuff and it improves continuously as do all his aspects. Granted, not exactly sure what sorts of feats are needed here.
How creative they can be in battle? How well they can face people strong-faster than them?
Ning can defeat people tiers above him while holding back his speed, strength and recatuons to a fraction of his opponent back when his skill was laughable in comparison to his peak. This is something that's can be done by most Celestial Immortals with the appropriate levels of skill and above. Normal humans aren't around for long though, so the upscale starts higher in this case.
How good is their growth in middle of combat?
Jumping levels of Dao Comprehension I.e. levels of skill and power is extremely common. Ning got to the point of being able to make it so that not even a raindrop could go through his defense from a relatively novice level of swordplay when he was still at the peak levels of regular humans.
 
Honestly, being on this thread made me realize how bullshit IET can get with protagonists' skill levels.
 
No, I mean, the copying in Arifureta extend to works of fiction, like they read a novel in which characters do things techniques physically impossible and they still learn them (like Shea learning the Gura Gura No Mi or nonsense characters amps), is just that since that's more in the hax territory I just focus in the physical techniques part that is easy to understand, so no things like copy of fighting styles that use hair or blood to fight and such.
This is what mori can do since i'm not great at wording ***** also forgive me i linked the whole chapter since it's webtoon can't really put to a specific panel and stuff also skip some stuff in the chapter since not all of it are fights also every character that mori defeated in the scan that i put are all skilled martial artist, swordsman, etc. there are actually more but i only putted the ones i remember the chapter of
 
If you are on pc, you can just download a "Right click enabler" extension, and just download the webtoon panels from there.
 
Dodging 10,000 arrows coming from all directions while being slower than them and being unscathed is starter stuff.

Numerancy is this, where people that are well versed in it can calculate events quadrillions of years in advance, though this is seen more in high tiers. Ning managed to fuse his Numerancy into his sword play, when it was at a level of calculating all events for the next quintillions of years in advance.

Not all that focused on in the setting but I'll have to double check again. Ning maintained himself and could block attacks for a while when his consciousness was consumed by pain and trying to keep itself from being dispersed by karmic flames. He of course improves in his capacity to act when his Heartforce gets to the point of being able to allow his abstract essence to act while his consciousness is gone.

Splitting one's mind and parallel thinking is starter level stuff and it improves continuously as do all his aspects. Granted, not exactly sure what sorts of feats are needed here.

Ning can defeat people tiers above him while holding back his speed, strength and recatuons to a fraction of his opponent back when his skill was laughable in comparison to his peak. This is something that's can be done by most Celestial Immortals with the appropriate levels of skill and above. Normal humans aren't around for long though, so the upscale starts higher in this case.

Jumping levels of Dao Comprehension I.e. levels of skill and power is extremely common. Ning got to the point of being able to make it so that not even a raindrop could go through his defense from a relatively novice level of swordplay when he was still at the peak levels of regular humans.
Hajime (the protagonist) in vol 1 faced a danmaku of thousands of fire balls along with wind and ices attacks for hours while getting accustomed to his new left arm (since when he learned to fight months ago he already lost his arm) and new right eye (which is unable to see the world the same way than a normal eye), everything in a precision training in which he needed pinpoit accurancy to shoot to each attack core (since they last a instant and are really small on top of be imperceptible to normal senses, people of the world didn't even new their existence until he got his right eye and become able to see them) so he was especifically trying to dodge the absolutely minimal possible. He also days before this dodged hundreds of attacks that would one-shot him in a state in which he just lost his right eye (it was vaporized) and his wounds where great to the point that his bones where visible (just in case he still didn't had his new left arm), everything while protecting a physically useless little girl.

The calculation power sound really great, in Arifureta case the tops currently would be G10 (above 500 petaflops) <<< Mother < Netemp. Kouki can face Mother and she have even have problems againt him when he was severely nerfed and exhausted.

In the case of Arifureta the characters instincts are basically like spider senses, even low tiers instinctually feel things before they happen along with intents, emotions and thoughts, they also move by pure instincts and can engage in battles where they move so fast that their thoughts are too slow so they need to fight purely by instinct without thinking, though this don't mean that they are mindless since even in such state they can do long run strategies like only hit a specific point for a entire fight so the opponent weapon break (Hajime vs Noint).

Similar case with Arifureta then, Hajime for example begin the series having trouble mentally controling at the same time 4 drones while fighting just to later control simultaniously hundreds and then several thousands. Yaegashi also do the same but in her case with swords perfectly applying her mastery of the swordmanship to them. In Mother case she control all the machines in the planet and in her war against humanity two hundreds of years ago was manipulating the machines in other planets to kill human there.

Really good, in Arifureta case people can also defeat characters tiers (both in ap and speed) above them if they have the skill needed, for example Meld who never lost against the hero party despite the difference in stats, or Kaori who in some point despite have a normal sword, olympic physical level and be unable to use her powers defeated several enemies at Apostle level or above (Yue did the same but since she is a magician I'm not counting her).

In Arifureta is also common, several characters are stated to grow each second and show to turn around stomps/blitzs in middle of combat, Shea for example after a bit blitzed someone that was faster than her to the point that was seeing her as immobile, or Hajime that stomped a perfect copy of the himself from minutes ago.

Current Kouki scale as comparable skill wise to current Hajime who is above everything from above.
Don't just propose characters, clearly state what spot you think your character deserve. It would help afterwards to state the agreed conclusion afterwards.
Kouki second spot since so far Zhong Yue probably get first place.
 
This is what mori can do since i'm not great at wording ***** also forgive me i linked the whole chapter since it's webtoon can't really put to a specific panel and stuff also skip some stuff in the chapter since not all of it are fights also every character that mori defeated in the scan that i put are all skilled martial artist, swordsman, etc. there are actually more but i only putted the ones i remember the chapter of
With the internet that I'm currently using I have problems loading images so I'm not gonna wait hours trying to load entire chapters of webtoons (tried the first one for example and don't charge).
 
Hajime (the protagonist) in vol 1 faced a danmaku of thousands of fire balls along with wind and ices attacks for hours while getting accustomed to his new left arm (since when he learned to fight months ago he already lost his arm) and new right eye (which is unable to see the world the same way than a normal eye), everything in a precision training in which he needed pinpoit accurancy to shoot to each attack core (since they last a instant and are really small on top of be imperceptible to normal senses, people of the world didn't even new their existence until he got his right eye and become able to see them) so he was especifically trying to dodge the absolutely minimal possible. He also days before this dodged hundreds of attacks that would one-shot him in a state in which he just lost his right eye (it was vaporized) and his wounds where great to the point that his bones where visible (just in case he still didn't had his new left arm), everything while protecting a physically useless little girl.
I mean, this is really good but Ji Ning is several levels above when he was dodging what would normally be undodgeable attacks while being slower than them, as with the 10,000 arrow feat. Like, really, really above it. His sword skill even allowed him to shift and move across higher dimensions than the standard 3 well before reaching the apex of skill.
The calculation power sound really great, in Arifureta case the tops currently would be G10 (above 500 petaflops) <<< Mother < Netemp. Kouki can face Mother and she have even have problems againt him when he was severely nerfed and exhausted.
This is good (surprised that it uses actual computers). Though, I feel every event for orders of magnitude longer than the age of the universe would be superior to something reachable by supercomputers (if my knowledge of them is accurate).
In the case of Arifureta the characters instincts are basically like spider senses, even low tiers instinctually feel things before they happen along with intents, emotions and thoughts, they also move by pure instincts and can engage in battles where they move so fast that their thoughts are too slow so they need to fight purely by instinct without thinking, though this don't mean that they are mindless since even in such state they can do long run strategies like only hit a specific point for a entire fight so the opponent weapon break (Hajime vs Noint).
Feeling things before they happen, intent and thoughts is done by top Wanxiang Adepts and they're over a dozen whole levels of being below Ning at his peak as far as skill, forethought and comprehension goes.

Though, the strategy part for their instinctive reaction is pretty good.
Similar case with Arifureta then, Hajime for example begin the series having trouble mentally controling at the same time 4 drones while fighting just to later control simultaniously hundreds and then several thousands. Yaegashi also do the same but in her case with swords perfectly applying her mastery of the swordmanship to them. In Mother case she control all the machines in the planet and in her war against humanity two hundreds of years ago was manipulating the machines in other planets to kill human there.
Multi-tasking scaling in regards to weapon control is Ning's bread and butter. He could already precisely control a thousand swords as a Zifu Disciple and his skill, soul strength (something directly proportional to multi-tasking and memory) and comprehension are orders of magnitude above that point.

All in all, I'm confident of Ning keeping himself at the peak. Others can probably judge and see which of the two (Ning or Kouki) is superior.
 
I mean, this is really good but Ji Ning is several levels above when he was dodging what would normally be undodgeable attacks while being slower than them, as with the 10,000 arrow feat. Like, really, really above it. His sword skill even allowed him to shift and move across higher dimensions than the standard 3 well before reaching the apex of skill.

This is good (surprised that it uses actual computers). Though, I feel every event for orders of magnitude longer than the age of the universe would be superior to something reachable by supercomputers (if my knowledge of them is accurate).

Feeling things before they happen, intent and thoughts is done by top Wanxiang Adepts and they're over a dozen whole levels of being below Ning at his peak as far as skill, forethought and comprehension goes.

Though, the strategy part for their instinctive reaction is pretty good.

Multi-tasking scaling in regards to weapon control is Ning's bread and butter. He could already precisely control a thousand swords as a Zifu Disciple and his skill, soul strength (something directly proportional to multi-tasking and memory) and comprehension are orders of magnitude above that point.

All in all, I'm confident of Ning keeping himself at the peak. Others can probably judge and see which of the two (Ning or Kouki) is superior.
Things like higher dimensions are just getting introduced now in Arifureta so can't say much about that part. At most I could talk about hax do to skill, like Yaegashi who before actually reach one of the summit of swordmanship (a summit different to the one reached by Kouki but still comparable) already was able to ignore obstacles and distance with her slashes and was able to cut things like stamina or such, current Yaegashi can potentialy cut things like legends across the multiverse/cosmology negating this way the immortality type 8 of a type of beings in the series, current Kouki is arguable above her. But since hax via pure skill are more hard/complex to evalute then better ignore this.

In the verse technically some characters could be able to proccess things to the before the creation of the universe and beginning of the multiverse/cosmology, but that would mean tap in the Astral World/Akashic Records which would mean conceptual erasure of whoever do that across history, so yeah, that is currently still hard to do to the Arifureta characters do to specific cosmology reasons.

As I said, the instinct senses part is done by low tiers so Kouki also massively upscale above them.

In the beginning Hajime was having problems because he needed to control them like actual robots, he basically was manually controlling all the operations of his golems/robots (do to this is especificated to be more harder/complex than for example just use simultaniously several swords at master level, reflected by Yaegashi when she began to use various swords), later one with futher training and so he can do that with hundreds and several thousands, but yeah purely in numbers he would be below, reason of why I mentioned Mother since she have better numbers.

I'm fine with that, this debate was pleasant so I'm fine with what others conclude.
 
Well for musashi she scale above that can do this.

Red Hare quiet literally being a master of very single form of martial arts on Earth, to the point of having an entire Skill dedicated to it, making it possible to deal with any situation in battle utilize any techniques and experience instantly in order to meet and combat the situation in kind, as well as being capable of responding to any and all kinds of battle situations accordingly through sheer skill, even if its in an environment he has no experience in like in the air or underwater by making use of his cultivated skill and experience. (And he not considered as being a top skill guy)

More skilled that this guy that can read the environnement and the world so perfectly that he can minimize the impact of his existance via martial art.

Through these abilities, Li Shuwen can read his immediate environment in fine detail, perceiving every aspect so that he can best minimize the impact of his existence. This ability allows him to become effectively completely invisible and indiscernible, and as it is reached purely through the mastery of martial arts,


She could fight perfectly with sasaki when he was more skilled and several time stronger than her.

For the danmaku part she lore skilled than cu that could faced the danmaku of gilgamesh for 12 hour straight. Was able to dodge thousand of arrow that a servant sended to her.

We have servant like billy that have killed thousand of skilled servant level with his gun. Or okita alter that can fight countless number of beast in same time.

Yagyu who is same level of skill than musashi could beast in perception and analysation kama that could perceive everything in her universe.

And in term of sense every servant can sense emotion, intention, read aura, we have servant like emiya that can predict through mouvement, through danger or that can scan all the detail in the environnement.

More skilled than xian yu that can calculate futur move better than precognition. That could predict every of his mouvement to his death in the lostbelt.
Than raikou that could block an atk using heavenly eye that can let the user see every possibility and chose the one he want. That could deflect a spear of someone of have a skill that let him reflect him everything with an arrow.

Equal to suzuka in calculation preocess with her heavenly eyes when suzuka could read people reading her move for the entire fight. Have the calculation processus of moon cell (who is 8D)who can calculate every moment in time of an entire infinity multiverse of possibility. Allow her to know everything of all of her possible futur for her entire life. Allow to have see trough the perspective of other etc.


She have better prediction and sense than saber that could see an opening as small than a grain of salt for dodging an atk supposely undodgable. She could anticipate an atk that revert causality,
 
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Woah, it's still ongoing after all that time? Afterstories started a few years ago already.
The After Stories no joke currently is quite longer than the main story, now seem like the end could be near but isn't really sure and even in the case that indeed the end is near isn't gonna end this year with all the things let to do.
 
Anyways i think that musahsi should at take the same rank than kouki, i don't really see where she is behind him and many think she is above
 
Anyways i think that musahsi should at take the same rank than kouki, i don't really see where she is behind him.
I mean, personally because I know about Fate and the actual skill feats (with also their context and everything) I can see them sharing spot but the things brought aren't that good reflecting that, your last post did a better job than the things previously said but still is somewhat lacking.

But if others think that the feats brought about Musashi are good enough I guess she could share spot with him.
 
I mean, personally because I know about Fate and the actual skill feats (with also their context and everything) I can see them sharing spot but the things brought aren't that good reflecting that, your last post did a better job than the things previously said but still is somewhat lacking.

But if others think that the feats brought about Musashi are good enough I guess she could share spot with him.
Lacking in what?
 
Lacking in what?
Some extra explanations like for example in the Xian Yu part, you didn't explain well how great his calculation power is, like how he is a supercomputer able to calculate from a bit of info gathered the exact development of how things will happen years after or even recreate parallel worlds (you could had used the imgur album I made and posted in a previous debate about this point with the scans), or you could had mentioned how Yagyu is arguable able to cut neutrinos (if the skill of his normal version could be scaled to his saber wars counterpart), or things like that.

Edit: You also didn't explained the stamina of several servants that can fight for hours or continue forward despite their serious wounds, like Cu who can kill Kiritsugi after having his heart pierced or more extreme cases like Aquilles who could fight against an army for hours after having his spirit core destroyed (and thus be dead). You also didn't go more indeep in how they face things stronger than them (you mentioned that she faced the seven sword masters who are stronger than her but didn't showed how great is the difference for example), or how good are their instincts in battle, how creative they could get in battle, etc.

To note in the case of Arifureta since now thinking back I didn't clarify much in this part, but a low level character like Meld can defeat people 4 tiers above him and who are FTL while he is supersonic (this even when outnumbered). Kouki himself can follow Hajime (with his 60x speed amp) despite to be slower than even base Hajime. But anyways, didn't wanted to focus much about this part in my previous posts so didn't went indeep before.
 
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Some extra explanations like for example in the Xian Yu part, you didn't explain well how great his calculation power is, like how he is a supercomputer able to calculate from a bit of info gathered the exact development of how things will happen years after or even recreate parallel worlds (you could had used the imgur album I made and posted in a previous debate about this point with the scans), or you could had mentioned how Yagyu is arguable able to cut neutrinos (if the skill of his normal version could be scaled to his saber wars counterpart), or things like that.
The quarks/neutrinos part is mentionned in the other comment. For xian yu didn't mention because suzuka do it better.

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Noble Phantasm: Sanzendaisensekai, Trichiliocosm
By revealing Kenmyouren to the morning sun, it is possible to create the trichiliocosm...that means all kind of worlds and parallel worlds...within the blade, allowing her to survey them. This is truly the case of one turning herself into the Moon Cell with just a blade. Future calculation became possible and she can reach the most optimal answer by selecting and checking all possibilities of herself.

 
@Regidian just when you posted the later comment I was editing my previous post to mention something more like the stamina part of servants that I think you didn't mentioned before and such.
 
Some extra explanations like for example in the Xian Yu part, you didn't explain well how great his calculation power is, like how he is a supercomputer able to calculate from a bit of info gathered the exact development of how things will happen years after or even recreate parallel worlds (you could had used the imgur album I made and posted in a previous debate about this point with the scans), or you could had mentioned how Yagyu is arguable able to cut neutrinos (if the skill of his normal version could be scaled to his saber wars counterpart), or things like that.

Edit: You also didn't explained the stamina of several servants that can fight for hours or continue forward despite their serious wounds, like Cu who can kill Kiritsugi after having his heart pierced or more extreme cases like Aquilles who could fight against an army for hours after having his spirit core destroyed (and thus be dead). You also didn't go more indeep in how they face things stronger than them (you mentioned that she faced the seven sword masters who are stronger than her but didn't showed how great is the difference for example), or how good are their instincts in battle, how creative they could get in battle, etc.

To note in the case of Arifureta since now thinking back I didn't clarify much in this part, but a low level character like Meld can defeat people 4 tiers above him and who are FTL while he is supersonic (this even when outnumbered). Kouki himself can follow Hajime (with his 60x speed amp) despite to be slower than even base Hajime. But anyways, didn't wanted to focus much about this part in my previous posts so didn't went indeep before.
For the stamina is not really a part of skill for me, but i have tell that cu have take gilgamesh danmaku for 12 hour.

For their instant reaction i have talked about it in the first paragraph when i tell that musashi had automatically blocked an unpredictable blow from raikou or in the second that raikou instant blocked a heavenly eyes of pre zero musashi bcz her body reactes to it alone. But it not really the best feat show in fate bcz every swordman have an enourmous level of extra sensory sense and some analytical thing so their able to see/predict atk before they come.

But we have like musashi being able to cut the eyes of a servant when he make her fall.


Or being able to dodge an atk she can't see instinctively.

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For the speed yagyu could defeat kama when he was mh and her immeasurable as he was not in suigestu at that time.
 
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I'd honestly argue that Zoro should be equally as skilled as Yujiro.

Although Zoro shouldn't be here, it should be Mihawk instead.


Also where's Kuroki Gensai?
 
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