Yeah but their lower in the scaling chain. Like musashi and raikou have already battle and musashi have evolve to become more skilled than raikou in the battle and sasaki was already tell to be the more skilled and powerful guy in shimousa. Karna it's hard to place him because his training in lb4.
Thanks for clarifying, ig ill have to think of some other way. What if my character had really good technical skills in the sense they’ve basically hacked the multiverse using maths to do stuff
Martial Arts or Weapons we are talking about
Yeaaah but when it comes to skill with a blade I don't think anyone tops Musashi and Sasaki unfortunately
Now I finished to read the entire thread and honestly think that Kouki can be 1 or 2 place currently, many mentioned how their character have thousands of years, that can defeat thousands of opponents or know thousands of martial arts, but without actually showing battle feats of those opponents defeated or the martial arts it doesn't impressive, like those opponents had instinctive reaction? How fast was their calculation power? How creative they could be in middle of combat? How could they fight against something faster and/or stronger? How quickly they grow? Etc.
I mean, in Ji Ning don't even have IR and most of his things are battle people with many years sooo. Not saying that he is unskilled since he have many feats and their are impressive, but ignoring the hax part of the skill (since Planck itself is fine with that) I feel that Kouki can be above him or at least share place with him.
No, I mean, the copying in Arifureta extend to works of fiction, like they read a novel in which characters do things techniques physically impossible and they still learn them (like Shea learning the Gura Gura No Mi or nonsense characters amps), is just that since that's more in the hax territory I just focus in the physical techniques part that is easy to understand, so no things like copy of fighting styles that use hair or blood to fight and such.
Erm, anything I should be specifically aware off about him? Ning's at the top of a skill scaling chain spanning an entire multiverse, where out-skilling all of Earth's humanity is done by mooks at Bk.2 of 45. He lacks IR (I think) but I'm not seeing what exactly Kouki has that's topping the list.
I mean, how skilled earth humanity is in the verse for example? What is the level of acrobatics of said people? Their calculation and analysis power? How good are their instincts-battle senses? How quick is the decision making in combat? How creative they can be in battle? How well they can face people strong-faster than them? How good is their growth in middle of combat? Things like that. Just saying that character A is above humanity don't really explain much if I don't know the level of said humanity, so I'm asking for that. Is because of how important those things are that in this post I made in a previous thread I tried to explain with some combat scenes the level of normal humans in Arifureta for example, to illustrate the base from which the characters with profiles massively upscale.
Dodging 10,000 arrows coming from all directions while being slower than them and being unscathed is starter stuff.
Numerancy is this, where people that are well versed in it can calculate events quadrillions of years in advance, though this is seen more in high tiers. Ning managed to fuse his Numerancy into his sword play, when it was at a level of calculating all events for the next quintillions of years in advance.
Not all that focused on in the setting but I'll have to double check again. Ning maintained himself and could block attacks for a while when his consciousness was consumed by pain and trying to keep itself from being dispersed by karmic flames. He of course improves in his capacity to act when his Heartforce gets to the point of being able to allow his abstract essence to act while his consciousness is gone.
Splitting one's mind and parallel thinking is starter level stuff and it improves continuously as do all his aspects. Granted, not exactly sure what sorts of feats are needed here.
Ning can defeat people tiers above him while holding back his speed, strength and recatuons to a fraction of his opponent back when his skill was laughable in comparison to his peak. This is something that's can be done by most Celestial Immortals with the appropriate levels of skill and above. Normal humans aren't around for long though, so the upscale starts higher in this case.
Jumping levels of Dao Comprehension I.e. levels of skill and power is extremely common. Ning got to the point of being able to make it so that not even a raindrop could go through his defense from a relatively novice level of swordplay when he was still at the peak levels of regular humans.
This is what mori can do since i'm not great at wording ***** also forgive me i linked the whole chapter since it's webtoon can't really put to a specific panel and stuff also skip some stuff in the chapter since not all of it are fights also every character that mori defeated in the scan that i put are all skilled martial artist, swordsman, etc. there are actually more but i only putted the ones i remember the chapter of
Didn't know that tf thanks for telling anyways, i already linked it and i'm lazy to change it now
Hajime (the protagonist) in vol 1 faced a danmaku of thousands of fire balls along with wind and ices attacks for hours while getting accustomed to his new left arm (since when he learned to fight months ago he already lost his arm) and new right eye (which is unable to see the world the same way than a normal eye), everything in a precision training in which he needed pinpoit accurancy to shoot to each attack core (since they last a instant and are really small on top of be imperceptible to normal senses, people of the world didn't even new their existence until he got his right eye and become able to see them) so he was especifically trying to dodge the absolutely minimal possible. He also days before this dodged hundreds of attacks that would one-shot him in a state in which he just lost his right eye (it was vaporized) and his wounds where great to the point that his bones where visible (just in case he still didn't had his new left arm), everything while protecting a physically useless little girl.
Kouki second spot since so far Zhong Yue probably get first place.
With the internet that I'm currently using I have problems loading images so I'm not gonna wait hours trying to load entire chapters of webtoons (tried the first one for example and don't charge).
I mean, this is really good but Ji Ning is several levels above when he was dodging what would normally be undodgeable attacks while being slower than them, as with the 10,000 arrow feat. Like, really, really above it. His sword skill even allowed him to shift and move across higher dimensions than the standard 3 well before reaching the apex of skill.
This is good (surprised that it uses actual computers). Though, I feel every event for orders of magnitude longer than the age of the universe would be superior to something reachable by supercomputers (if my knowledge of them is accurate).
Feeling things before they happen, intent and thoughts is done by top Wanxiang Adepts and they're over a dozen whole levels of being below Ning at his peak as far as skill, forethought and comprehension goes.
Multi-tasking scaling in regards to weapon control is Ning's bread and butter. He could already precisely control a thousand swords as a Zifu Disciple and his skill, soul strength (something directly proportional to multi-tasking and memory) and comprehension are orders of magnitude above that point.
Normally, i would not do the change without a debate happening first, but I think we all can agree that Meta Knight isn't cutting it right?
Things like higher dimensions are just getting introduced now in Arifureta so can't say much about that part. At most I could talk about hax do to skill, like Yaegashi who before actually reach one of the summit of swordmanship (a summit different to the one reached by Kouki but still comparable) already was able to ignore obstacles and distance with her slashes and was able to cut things like stamina or such, current Yaegashi can potentialy cut things like legends across the multiverse/cosmology negating this way the immortality type 8 of a type of beings in the series, current Kouki is arguable above her. But since hax via pure skill are more hard/complex to evalute then better ignore this.
Yes, most seem to agree that Metal Knight don't really have a place here.
Woah, it's still ongoing after all that time? Afterstories started a few years ago already.
The After Stories no joke currently is quite longer than the main story, now seem like the end could be near but isn't really sure and even in the case that indeed the end is near isn't gonna end this year with all the things let to do.
I mean, personally because I know about Fate and the actual skill feats (with also their context and everything) I can see them sharing spot but the things brought aren't that good reflecting that, your last post did a better job than the things previously said but still is somewhat lacking.
Lacking in what?
Some extra explanations like for example in the Xian Yu part, you didn't explain well how great his calculation power is, like how he is a supercomputer able to calculate from a bit of info gathered the exact development of how things will happen years after or even recreate parallel worlds (you could had used the imgur album I made and posted in a previous debate about this point with the scans), or you could had mentioned how Yagyu is arguable able to cut neutrinos (if the skill of his normal version could be scaled to his saber wars counterpart), or things like that.
The quarks/neutrinos part is mentionned in the other comment. For xian yu didn't mention because suzuka do it better.
For the stamina is not really a part of skill for me, but i have tell that cu have take gilgamesh danmaku for 12 hour.
