Resistance to Power Negation for all Minuses

[QuasiYuri]

At many times in Medaka Box, it is proved by Shibushi ,Kumagawa , and Emukae can not be canceled their minus

This is described by Kumagawa as working for each minus.

Each minus possessor should have resistance to Power Negation, which includes:

-Misogi Kumagawa

-Medaka Kurokami (only for copied minus)

-Youka Naze (only for Ice-Fire)

-Mukae Emukae

-Gagamaru Chougasaki

-Kamone Tsurubami (only for "Octopus")

-Shibuki Shibushi

-Ajimu Najimi (only for minus power)

 

[Antvasima]

Please explain the full circumstances of them resisting power negation. I do not remember that happening, although it has been a long while since I read the series.

 

[QuasiYuri]

For Shibuki, Naze had tried to cancel his minus with the "normalizing liquid" , which had been able to cancel for a time the abnormality of various abnormales.

For Emukae, Kumagawa used All Fiction to cancel his minus and Zenkichi's wounds.

For Kumagawa, Mogura's style allowed to reduce an attack to "nothing" (? ? ? ?, mukaeutsu) in response to a confrontation ((? ? ? ?, mukaeutsu), that to walk on the screws , but not on Book Maker.

As you can see in my first comment, this failed in all three cases.

 

[Antvasima]

I am very uncertain about this. I would prefer more staff input.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I agree with this with the exception of Book Maker. Book Maker possibly ignores defensive hax to a certain extent in its own right

 

[Kami95]

I agree, except for Medaka, Naze and Anshin'in. Minus abilities cannot be erased because they're something that's "wrong since the beginning", and they're deeply linked to the user's personality, so I don't think obtaining them via other means like they did counts.

However, they can probably just resist to their powers being erased, but not to other kinds of negation like sealing (like with Book Maker).

 

[Kami95]

Bump since this still seems legit to me.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I agree, except for Medaka, Naze and Anshin'in. Minus abilities cannot be erased because they're something that's "wrong since the beginning", and they're deeply linked to the user's personality, so I don't think obtaining them via other means like they did counts.
However, they can probably just resist to their powers being erased, but not to other kinds of negation like sealing (like with Book Maker).

So would this include if Oudo obtained a minus via unreasonable taxation or the Minus obtained by Medaka via The End? If I recall, isn't the reason Medaka didn't want to fight minus is because it does change her personality. I know she got around this later in the series tho

 

[QuasiYuri]

So would this include if Oudo obtained a minus via unreasonable taxation or the Minus obtained by Medaka via The End?

For Oudo, it only works with abnormalities.

It is clearly said that abnormalities are related to electromagnetic waves (or something like that).

And Naze mentions that Minus are very different from that.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

For Oudo, it only works with abnormalities.
It is clearly said that abnormalities are related to electromagnetic waves (or something like that).

And Naze mentions that Minus are very different from that.

I know Oudo said that he could take abnormalities, but I don't remember him specifying that it only worked on abnormals. Especially since I don't think Oudo had met a Minus up to that point

Well, since abnormalities and minus come from personality, they both would be. Personality do come from brain function, right?

That they don't rely on electromagnetic waves? when?

 

[Kami95]

I don't remember if it was ever stated that Oudo can't copy minus abilities, but even in that case I'm not sure if a copied ability would be able to resist from erasure.

I think we should definitely add resistance to power erasure to Kumagawa (at least for Bookmaker, not sure about All Fiction since it's not his original ability), Emukae, Chougasaki and Shibushi, since we've seen two different instances of minus abilities resisting different kinds of erasure, but I don't think that people who obtained minuses by copying them (like Medaka) or in some other ways (like Naze) have the same kind of resistance.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I know that they originally said Oudo flat out takes powers, but that one girl still had her powers later even after he took them. So would he just end up with a copy of the minus instead of steeling it?

All Fiction is Kumagawa's just in a different way. he reforged a different ability using his own personality. So he would likely have it aswell. I think Naze would also have resistence, since Ice Fire was actually born from trauma, just in a slightly different way. She took the trauma of her mental wounds and reconstructed it into a minus ability

 

[Kami95]

Iirc Koga lost her Regenerationn after Oudo took it, but he gave it back after losing to Medaka, although I could be wrong.

And I agree about All Fiction and Ice Fire, but since we can't be 100% sure that it would work I'm not sure if we should put it.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I don't remember that. Just judging from the way he takes powers, how did he even give it back? Did he like unflow the eletrical signals through their heart?

All Fiction is a result of Kumagawa's personality tho. iirc I think Ajimu even specified that. Is there any way we can put "possible" resistence to power negation for Ice Fire?

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody remind me about what is being proposed here?