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Type 1??????How about just Information Manipulation?
Thing is, the verse already has something called Ether which is Type 2 Information and essentially something like the basic components of reality. You can see it mentioned in the first quote and it seems to me like names grant a deeper control than the Ether manipulation all Witches have.How about just Information Manipulation?
Wait a minute, why are you still discussing and voting on Bleach when you said that it should be saved for a separate thread?Ok, so to summarize the opinions:
That's still fairly inconclusive.
- Everything12 for listing all as Concept Manipulation Type 3
- Agnaa is in favour of Information Manipulation Type 2 for Clash of Hexennacht/On a Godless Planet (which would mean they're extra abstract information). Although, I think that was just for the two verses in particular and in general (like Bleach and Medaka Box) just reality warping or something?
- Various normal members who I'm too lazy to all list in detail are in favour of Concept Type 3, but Type 2 if changing the name changes all things having that name. (roughly speaking)
Myself and probably most of the other Bleach supporters unfollowed this thread (given that none of them have commented), it's a but suspect to then continue discussing it after saying otherwise.Prooooobably best to continue debating Bleach in another thread (if someone feels like debating it), to not just turn this into a Bleach CRT.
But on the general level, what we have to this point would be:
Manipulating names as abstract things is either concept type 3 or 2. Per default it's 3, but if there is proof that the character can modify a name to not just modify the properties given by the name to one target, but all targets in some governed reality that share that name, it would be 2.
So Clash of Hexennacht would be Concept Type 3 then.
Sounds good thought we were hopping back on Bleach with your last post mentioning itWe're (or I am) discussing the general case, not Bleach's case in particular. At least I didn't intend to. If the general case reaches any conclusion Bleach would of course get its own CRT as for where it fits in.
Right.I don't know anything about Bleach so I can't comment on it. The verses I was talking about (Medaka Box and Unsong) don't really have true names utilized, and just have various forms of semantic manipulation changing reality. You described Hexennacht, and it sounded like it was just talking about information, rather than concepts.