Georredannea15
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You cannot be type 4 acausality without a state of existence.
Lmao just learn that law and causality are "basically" the same thing on the wiki...
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Removing Simon's type 4 Acausality
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The fact that you avoided two people's point is astonishing.
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- They merged with their all possible universes in all times (past, present, and future) and all places, breaking though cause, effect, and fate in context, because there's literally nothing left in the verse to rule them (they grabbed their own paths and made a new one).
- They are materalized Spiral Energy which represents everything and is greater than time and space.
- They are materalized Spiral Energy because they merged with their very universes and fates (the reason why they are acausal), along with feelings and emotions. Making it a state of existence.
It's not that hard...
It's crazy how someone tried to upgrade it to Type 5 (which failed because a specific feat was needed) then you guys, try to downgrade the Type 4 lol.
Georredannea15
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In this context, main thing is breaking the cause and effect.
To interpret this as acausality type 4 you guys need to support that it refers to the existence of this with additional contexts.
Just looking at it, I see a causality manipulation here.
Because the character can break the cause and effect relationship, he can prevent the effect of any cause from occurring, or he can disrupt the cause of any effect and prevent that effect from occurring.
And the rest of the sentence also supports this because they talk about how strong this power is.
The context, where this is written, etc.
To interpret this as acausality type 4 you guys need to support that it refers to the existence of this with additional contexts.
Just looking at it, I see a causality manipulation here.
Because the character can break the cause and effect relationship, he can prevent the effect of any cause from occurring, or he can disrupt the cause of any effect and prevent that effect from occurring.
And the rest of the sentence also supports this because they talk about how strong this power is.
Can you elaborate on this?
The context, where this is written, etc.
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| When Simon awakens without hesitation, he intergrates with the multiverse and rescues the members of the Team Dai-Gurren from the endless chain of possibilities. Finally getting Nia back from the Anti-Spiral. As Gurren Lagann emitted a new light, the final evolution of Gurren Lagann began. |
| Kamina: Yeah. (Nodding) The other members of the Team Dai-Gurren who were behind him nodded. Simon turns his back. Simon's appearances spread out across the entire space. It's Simon's appearances spread out in a multiverse of possibilities for each possible appearance. But the core drill shines in Simon's chest. and his left arm becomes Gurren Lagann's. A drill appears from there. That drill spins rapidly. The drill engulfs Simons in the multiverse, turning him into a vortex of light. Simon "Let's go, buddy." In that glow, Simon transforms into Gurren Lagann's form and flies off into the void. |
| ""Yeah!" The members of the Gurren Lagann behind me nodded vigorously when I said that. Thank you, brother. I believe in you who believes in me. I believe in my friends who believes in myself. Simon held up his core drill to the heaven and a flash of light flashed across the sky. Innumerable appearances of Simon appeared in the sky, and they were the past, the present, and the future, every place, every time, and the innumerable selves that live in a world of infinite possibilities. There is no escaping wherever you go. In a closed infinite universe, various lives are repeated. In that universe of possibilities, Simon twisted the innumerable selves he had drilled into one, twisting them together into a giant drill, and before he realized that it was a huge drill, Simon wasn't there but Gurren Lagann. There stood Gurren Lagann, holding up the giga drill, "Let's go, buddy!"" |
| "Nia entered the cockpit of the Lagann, along with Simon. Each Lagann merged into Gurren Lagann. It was anger. It was sadness. It was compassion. It was every emotion one could think of. The feelings that each of us had in our respective universes appeared in the form of a drill, breaking through the wall. It was appearing in the form of two shapes and sizes, and they became one. If you have no choice but to fight, do not hesitate. We are not afraid to ask for power. If there's a wall, we'll hit and break it, if there's no way, we'll make it with our own hands! No, more. Breaks through cause, effect and fate, the cry of life resounds in the galaxy yet, more. Engrave the feelings of a friend in this body, and turn infinite darkness into light! -That's it. A power greater than the stars, greater than the galaxies. A power greater than dimension and time." |
| "The infinite power that overflows from this body. Give it form. It takes the form of a person. Thoughts overflow. Words break through the heart. Nia speaks. "Even when trapped in the cycle of cause and effect!" Yoko prays. "The feelings left behind will open the door!" Leeron tells us. "Even if the infinite universe stands in our way," Viral cries. "This bloodletting will decide our fate!" Simon shouts. "Break through the heaven and the dimension!" They all wears. "To grab hold of our own path!" The universe trembles. "Who the hell do you think we are!?"." |
| "There, a giant that crossed the galaxy was born. Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. The ultimate evolution of Gurren Lagann, created by swallowing all of our thoughts, wishes, regrets, hopes, past, and future. That giant, engulfed in green flames, was the greatest power that humanity, or rather the Spiral race, had ever gained. The face is on the chest, abdomen, arms, thighs, legs, and key points of the deformed body. It corresponded to Lagann on which each Team Dai-Gurren was riding. Now each of them had the same power as Simon. However, the voice of the Anti-Spiral sounded there..." |
The entire point of Gurren Lagann is making your own way if there's no way.
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Lars, can you prove that character were breaking cause and effect relationships?
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Haha, that was long.
Anyway, I still don't understand why this refers to their existence.
So I still see no reason for acausality type 4.
Technically, it doesn't matter whether I prove it or not.
Even if you treat it purely as "breaking cause and effect" this could still be causality manipulation.
So it's still not an existential situation.
I mean, if they had a statement like (they broke cause and effect, so now they are completely independent of cause and effect, they are in a different cause and effect relationship, etc.), I could understand what you guys saying.
Georredannea15
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Bro but, you didn't read
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I think what you guys don't understand
It is the difference between Causality manip and Acausality type 4.
Acausality type 4 characters are inherently in a different existential state than this cause and effect system.
But someone with causality manipulation can destroy/break these causes and effects, etc.
I mean, that's the nature of someone
Someone does that by power.
It is the difference between Causality manip and Acausality type 4.
Acausality type 4 characters are inherently in a different existential state than this cause and effect system.
But someone with causality manipulation can destroy/break these causes and effects, etc.
I mean, that's the nature of someone
Someone does that by power.
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You didn't ask the state of existence part, which was addressed here.
You're playing too strict here, like for God's sake. How would a guy who intergrated with the whole multiverse of all possibilities and made his own way, isn't even a Type 4 acausal here? You don't even need the existential argument here, it was just a supporting feat.
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Thanks for telling us something we already know. First, know the context. Then we talk.
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It does, you claim something that does not even exist in the text.
So you are drawing a conclusion based on something that does not exist.
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- "They are materalized Spiral Energy because they merged with their very universes and fates (the reason why they are acausal), along with feelings and emotions. Making it a state of existence."
1-I still don't understand why this makes them acausal it just sounds like your own interpretation because the sentence has nothing to do with it.
2-You also said that they merged with their own universes and fates then you claimed that they were acausal, lol.
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If you read it, you could have proved me from where the claim is coming. I am waiting.
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No offence, but I think this comment is really irrelevant.
I said that this cannot happen even if you use the sentence "breaking cause and effect", which is in the text.
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It is, nothing in the text says "break causality/cause and effect"
Prove it, it is your own claim and you use it to draw conclusion.
Prove it, it is your own claim and you use it to draw conclusion.
Prove the bolded part for me.
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"Breaks through cause, effect and fate"
Seriously, I just wrote the way it's supposed to be in the text and you're going to make a fuss about it?
I mean, the meaning here is the same as the sentence I used.
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It says breaks through.
So your claim is false. Thank you.
So your claim is false. Thank you.
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Obviously, because break through and breaks are two biggest differences in the contextual understanding.
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I just wrote the sentence differently
But the meaning of the sentence I wrote is the same as above
Anyway, I don't even know why we are dealing with an irrelevant thing.
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You're cherry picking the words.
1. They were acausal because they were abstract. They became abstract after intergrating with the multiverse of all possibilities along with their very emotions, making them materialized Spiral Energy (as per the Anti-Spiral) which is greater than time and space (in most case, cause-effect system is related with the concept of spacetime so this is a supporting feat). You can't seperate them, they are one.
2. Because you either didn't read it properly or just nitpicking the sentence. I said they merged with their own universes and fates then carved their own way by breaking the causality.
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No, you're misinterpreting the sentence by typing it different to draw a false conclusion, and not only that, you even went further and claimed it exists. If it is not relevant, you won't even bring the topic and base it on your disagreement.
Now, the question is, why do I need to trust someone who appeared to have bad faith in debating?
Now, the question is, why do I need to trust someone who appeared to have bad faith in debating?
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Trust me, their abstract has nothing to do with their acausality.
I think it is you who is interpreting these things for yourself.
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Bad faith?
Also, as I have stated for the 4584848th time, even if you use the meaning of the sentence, you will not be able to prove that it refers to its existence.
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Dread, stop trying to divert everything.
I said that because that person used a ridiculous sentence.
Because being acausal has nothing to do with being abstract
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It indirectly does. Because being abstract means it is a state of existence. They were abstract because they were acausal, or they were acausal because they were abstract. They are one.
And none of your points disapprove me, anyway.
It feels like I'm talking to a brick here.
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Being abstract is a state of being, but it has nothing to do with acausal being.
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Prove it.
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Thanks for proving my point. They were abstract because they were acausal.
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Prove they're relevant.
If there is an x=y claim, you must first prove x=y.
And then I can show you where you went wrong.
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Bro, did you know that 3858235823 characters are acausal and not abstract?
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I did not make the claim. I said to prove why the outcome of being beyond causality is to become abstract is not acausal.
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There's no such thing as being beyond causality in this issue.
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Oh yeah, the false equivalence argument.
It's funny how none of you guys has even properly refute this.
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It's really funny to reinterpret it in your own way, I already told you that the sentence is irrelevant
Anyway, as far as I see, we are just repeating each other, I think it is normal that you want it not to downgrade because you are a supporter of the verse.
Wait for the staff votes.
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It's coming from a guy who didn't even interpret it his own way by elaborating a constructive argument? Wild.
Sure, this is getting dumber, anyway. You can wait the staffs.
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Haha.
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