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And what say that even if teleportation is blocked it would still affect the opponent?
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Yes, because it's not teleportation?And what say that even if teleportation is blocked it would still affect the opponent?
The literal description of the narrator itself say that the teleportation of Yue is instantaneous, it ignore speed and distance, the same as the hand, so why it's that if she can counter that she can't counter the hand?Yes.
Moving by ignoring distance and speed doesn't mean you're teleporting. It can make you appear as such, but that's not how that works. They're two fundamentally different systems as even Teleportation can have time-lag and not instant. You're just imposing your own interpretation onto Fiamma with a lack of knowledge on how the mechanic works.
Because the attack is delivered immediately and she wouldn't be able to react to it just because her teleportation is instantaneous.The literal description of the narrator itself say that the teleportation of Yue is instantaneous, it ignore speed and distance, the same as the hand, so why it's that if she can counter that she can't counter the hand?
The quote itself say that she reacted by sheer instinct... the opponent were even under a time magic that shorten everything while she wasn't even using amp... and the future sight automatically tell her what's gonna happen if she is in danger...Because the attack is delivered immediately and she wouldn't be able to react to it just because her teleportation is instantaneous.
Being able to move instantly /=/ being able to react instantly, unless you have proof of that then by all means show her instantaneous infinite reaction speed.
But from what I'm seeing on her profile, she doesn't have that. Just impressive speed.
Cool, instinct doesn't defend against something that ignores speed and distance. It's an infinite-speed level attack as it moves beyond the constraints of speed. There is nothing to instinctually react too as it's already there.The quote itself say that she reacted by sheer instinct... the opponent were even under a time magic that shorten everything while she wasn't even using amp... and the future sight automatically tell her what's gonna happen if she is in danger...
... ok.Cool, instinct doesn't defend against something that ignores speed and distance. It's an infinite-speed level attack as it moves beyond the constraints of speed. There is nothing to instinctually react too as it's already there.
Literally none of this matters when she can't react to the first attack. Unless they're all passive, it's not a factor.Cool, don't seem to resist things like info manipulation, time manipulation, space manipulation, biological manipulation, or concept manipulation, but I'm honestly tired and this don't seems to go nowhere so whatever.
Literally matter if for example she info manipulation the hand and so, but again, to tired and this don't seem to go nowhere.Literally none of this matters when she can't react to the first attack. Unless they're all passive, it's not a factor.
How is she doing that when the hand has already erased her? It's Fiamma's opening move.Literally matter if for example she info manipulation the hand and so, but again, to tired and this don't seem to go nowhere.
Similar to every Fiamma match, this will end on the first move.Battle start: Fiamma press the button that ignores speed, distant, power, and end the target.
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Again, she can't react that fast so that's not possible. I don't think you understand but this is how Fiamma matches work.Because if for example she develop a way to info manipulation, time manipulation, etc the hand in the moment the hand touch her would affect her? And she literally revive at top condition like nothing in the moment she die?
Again, she react from before anything happen because future sight, that's how her future sight work.Again, she can't react that fast so that's not possible. I don't think you understand but this is how Fiamma matches work.
And yes, it's dumb.
On any other site, sure. But this is VSB, here HR is restricted to SoL and at best planetary feats. And Fiamma's profile is pretty generous in power level by local Toaru community standards anyway.It may sound NLF but this is how his power is described in the novel. His attack doesn't have a speed, doesn't have a direction, and use the exact power needed to always end the target and will hit you no matter your place. It's an auto-win button through and through.
Automatic ressurection. Fiamma haven't ever gone Yog, and Headcrab hasn't shown a spell that goes around, so he is not overcoming this.How is she doing that when the hand has already erased her? It's Fiamma's opening move.
Again, she react from before anything happen because future sight, that's how her future sight work.
And yes, it's dumb.
(I know I said that I not gonna respond like this more, but when you begin the comments like this I can only react the same way)
On any other site, sure. But this is VSB, here HR is restricted to SoL and at best planetary feats. And Fiamma's profile is pretty generous in power level by local Toaru community standards anyway.
Information manipulation is relevant, because that's one thing Right Hand of NLF failed to overcome in its interactions with lol!righthand.png - as in, it had the output to bruteforce through IB (otherwise absorption thing later on would've been impossible) and yet, it never did so, because it could read only the rest of Touma (just like Index in OT1), not the right palm.
Automatic ressurection. Fiamma haven't ever gone Yog, and Headcrab hasn't shown a spell that goes around, so he is not overcoming this.
HR is restricted to SoL
Looks like you didn't read the profile right,On any other site, sure. But this is VSB, here HR is restricted to SoL and at best planetary feats. And Fiamma's profile is pretty generous in power level by local Toaru community standards anyway.
Light speed is given to it reactions when it block an attack meant to him, ignoring speed and distant attack is it main gimmick and it's not the only verse to use this BS, LLT also has this "hit and end everything" so saying stuff like "we are on VSwiki" doesn't mean anything.Speed: Peak Human (Comparable to Kamijou Touma) with Lightspeed reactions with the Holy Right (Holy Right protected Fiamma from a satellite-mounted laser). He can likely react in 10 nanoseconds (Likely comparable to Ollerus as the two fought Othinus together)
Why the hand would brush info and time manipulation? There aren't anything like that in his profile, the info can even conceptually erase, thing that also don't resist in his profile, and she literally just use one of them (or even various) before anything happen.I don't see what future sight is gonna do. She'll see it's coming, try to time manip or info manip but Holy Right will brush both up and just end it.
And Fiamma can swing before anything happens.Why the hand would brush info and time manipulation? There aren't anything like that in his profile, the info can even in conceptualy erase, thing that also don't resist in his profile, and if she literally use just one of them before anything happen.
If she is info manipulation, for say one of the hax, everything that touch her, what matter even if the hand come again?And Fiamma can swing before anything happens.
So. Here is why info won't work in the long run ; she erases the Holy Right, but then what? Telesma always returns back to its source phase so she's only erasing the HR currently in the world, but thanks to the Grimoire remote he can immediately remanifest it.
She also cannot resist sealing so he can just use Michael's little sealing miracle and send her to hell after killing her.
She's sealed in hell... she's not doing anything there given how the Seven Seals on hell works in the Bible.If she is info manipulation, for say one of the hax, everything that touch her, what matter even if the hand come again?
The sealing is honestly the main win condition that Fiamma have that don't sound NLF, and in that case the sealing have to work against the haxs she already have and have to prevent that she develop anything after be sealed.
Then HR is peak human, as this is the only other speed value specified.Reaction wise on auto-detect, not The Strike. you're wrong.
By Fiamma being in character and not using it as a first move. Otherwise, at best by spatial manip, which would probably fail.Anyways, as for auto-ressurect ; How is she resisting being sealed into hell by the Right Hand?
I literally just gave an example of Holy Right not working correctly when it gets the wrong (lacking) info.You can respond that way because I also think Fiamma's abilities are dumb. I don't see what future sight is gonna do. She'll see it's coming, try to time manip or info manip but Holy Right will brush both up and just end it.
That's literally the first time I see something like this not being called "incomplete profile".Light speed is given to it reactions when it block an attack meant to him, ignoring speed and distant attack is it main gimmick and it's not the only verse to use this BS, LLT also has this "hit and end everything" so saying stuff like "we are on VSwiki" doesn't mean anything.
Then HR is peak human, as this is the only other speed value specified.
Or at best FTL+, as Touma can react to it. Which is also why future sight matters.
Also, why is spoiler button not working?
By Fiamma being in character and not using it as a first move. Otherwise, at best by spatial manip, which would probably fail.
Or by reactive evolution, but in this case I think this would still be a loss.
I literally just gave an example of Holy Right not working correctly when it gets the wrong (lacking) info.
That's literally the first time I see something like this not being called "incomplete profile".
This sound like how the conceptual erasure of the info manipulation work, don't use any destructive power, just make everything it touchs not exist, though in the description of the hand say that it use the exact amount needed to destroy, so I would say that the hand been able to destroy everything sounds NLF.If he hit, the target would be destroyed, so he had no need for destructive power
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In... what way, exactly?Literally you just ruined your entire credit by saying Touma has FTL+ reactions.
The whole point of reactive evolution is developing powers when you want (or rather need).This entire thread is very ironic. One side is spewing how Fiamma is an NLF but then we have the other saying Shea can develop random powers whenever she wants when it's both clear both characters have crazy NLF in canon potency.
That's appeal to popularity fallacy. Which is actually listed in the rules, unlike that one you threw at me.There's a clear line of appeal to authority fallacies being done here by relying on the profiles and not the actual canon, as a lot of material on profiles are interpretative to begin with and supplied by proof. But they aren't fool proof, as democracy plays a part in getting things added too and democracy is not perfect.
My advice is ; Let's stop talking about this since it's clear one side doesn't understand how Toaru works and the other (us) only knows what we know about Fiamma.
Let's let the audience decide.
It's also need to change the part about weakness, need to add to his profile resistance to info, time and conceptual manipulation, because he don't have anything like that in the profile.If HR's strike isnt teleportation (or spawning on the target), then Fiamma needs Infinite speed via HR
Because Fiamma swings his hand casually and the fight ends she won't get a chance to use thoseIt's also need to change the part about weakness, need to add to his profile resistance to info, time and conceptual manipulation, because he don't have anything like that in the profile.
Edit: DontTalkDT confirmed that he can't resist info, time or conceptual manipulation, so you better give a good argument as to why that don't work on Fiamma for any futher votes to him, I also don't see in the profile spatial resistance listed so that's other thing that need to be explained. He also confirmed that Fiamma can't use the hand forever.